Project NU Break this Team: Curse Quag Stall: Voting Period

[erisia]

Skuntank @ Shuca Berry
Ability: Aftermath
EVs: 24 HP / 216 Atk / 252 SpD / 16 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Sucker Punch
- Pursuit
- Poison Jab
- Memento

I was going to post something along these lines but Shaneghoul beat me to it! I've used this Skuntank EV spread before but the 24 HP EVs were just to give Skuntank a Leftovers number for Black Sludge, so imo just put these back into Atk to give 240+ Atk / 252 SpD / 16 Spe if you want to use this spread. That said, the extra Speed is probably more useful than the SpD on this set to ensure you can get the Memento off, so maybe just use the standard 232 Atk / 132 SpD / 144 Spe spread so you can Memento things like Adamant Samurott.

 

[Rapture]

Voting time
Core 1: Skunktank + Barbaracle
Core 2: Steelix + Tauros
Core 3: Pyroar

I begrudgingly included Kiyo's post even though it didn't follow the rules. Also friendly reminder to actually write any cores you reserve in a post, if people keep slacking on them I'll just ask the mods to delete reservation posts. With all that out of the way, which core breaks Aurosis team the best? You'll have until Monday to decide. Here is the team again for reference.

 

[Dr Ciel]

Core 2

 

[Mistrals]

Core 1

 

[etern]

Core 1

 

[Winter's Howl]

Core 1

 

[AJB]

core 2

 

[Machineae]

Pyroar

 

[nv]

Core 2 is the core for me.

 

[Louna]

Core 1

 

[Bizeps Brennt]

Core 1

 

[Rapture]

Hey Shaneghoul's core wins this week, good job dude! New week means new team and boy do I have a doozy for you guys this time around.

A team made by rozes that netted him his third win in SPL yesterday. It features a few unconventional sets like Flame Charge Pyroar and Shuca Berry Skuntank which threw his opponent for a loop. The bigs may be a 0-2 team but rozes has managed to keep his winning streak alive because of solid builds like this.

Importable

collide (Scyther) @ Eviolite
Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Wing Attack
- U-turn
- Roost

slumber party (Skuntank) (M) @ Shuca Berry
Ability: Aftermath
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Defog
- Dark Pulse
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power [Grass]

this is forever (Sceptile) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Leaf Storm
- Giga Drain
- Focus Blast
- Hidden Power [Ice]

sprinkles (Mesprit) @ Colbur Berry
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 16 Spe
Bold Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Psychic
- U-turn
- Thunder Wave

the girl (Pyroar) (F) @ Flame Plate
Ability: Unnerve
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Flame Charge
- Fire Blast
- Hyper Voice
- Hidden Power [Grass]

wasted summer (Lanturn) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 252 SpA / 148 SpD / 108 Spe
Modest Nature
- Scald
- Volt Switch
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power [Fire]

Description

“Wanted to use Shuca Skuntank + Scyther, as it can lure in Lix and a bunch of other things for a Scyther Sweep. Specs Sceptile was the next addition as it just hits hard as fuck, while being threatening to common Scyther switch ins so it can come in after U-Turn. Colbur Mesprit was added as a second fighting check, getting up rocks, and also goes w/ the VoltTurn core of the team. AV Lanturn is a cool set, beats Rhydon / Aboma and is another slow VoltTurner. Pyroar was the last mon added, as its very easy to volt switch into, and with Flame Charge it can sweep late game." - rozes 2016

Post cores until Friday just like last week, have fun breaking this team!

 

[Shaneghoul]

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Rock Polish 3 attacks rhydon + toxic plate offensive spikes garb rips through this team with rocks up. Once rocks go up garb comes in on pretty much anything at gets up a spike and since mesprit is probably the initial switch in you can also get off 40% on that allowing rhydon to kill it with 1 megahorn. Explosion on garb stops skunk from defogging the spikes as it kills, from there rhydon just wins as scept is fastest mon and no priority as it sets up on pyroar skunk mesprit and scyther.

Sets

Rhydon @ Eviolite
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Megahorn
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Rock Polish

Garbodor @ Toxic Plate
Ability: Aftermath
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Gunk Shot
- Explosion
- Spikes
- Toxic Spikes

Archeops @ Focus Sash
Ability: Defeatist
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Head Smash
- Endeavor
- Taunt

Calcs

Garb:
252+ Atk Toxic Plate Garbodor Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 240+ Def Mesprit: 147-174 (40.3 - 47.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Toxic Plate Garbodor Gunk Shot vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Skuntank: 144-170 (41.4 - 48.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Toxic Plate Garbodor Gunk Shot vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Scyther: 168-198 (48.9 - 57.7%) -- 95.7% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Garbodor Explosion vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Skuntank: 334-393 (96.2 - 113.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO after 2 layers of Spikes

Vs Rhydon:
252 SpA Pyroar Hidden Power Grass vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Rhydon: 292-344 (82.9 - 97.7%) -- 25% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Skuntank Hidden Power Grass vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Rhydon: 244-288 (69.3 - 81.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
0 SpA Mesprit Psychic vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Rhydon: 127-150 (36 - 42.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock

With Rhydon:
252+ Atk Rhydon Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Shuca Berry Skuntank: 249-294 (71.7 - 84.7%) -- 75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock and 1 layer of Spikes
252+ Atk Rhydon Megahorn vs. 252 HP / 240+ Def Mesprit: 204-240 (56 - 65.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Rhydon Megahorn vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Sceptile: 408-482 (144.6 - 170.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

[Oda]

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The first thing I noticed about the team was the weakness to physical based water moves with an offensive AV lanturn and a Specs Sceptile being the only resists.
Also Im surprised this team is fairly weak to Sub Barbaracle when it has been hyped alot recently and used in SPL to sweep multiple different opponents by different players. Memento Skunk/Mismagius has been posted before and it is an awesome way to get setup chances for Barb. Skunk can Memento on almost every mon if it gets a free switch since Rozes team is mostly special and carries no Ground moves. The items I have seen with Sub Barb are White herb or Shuca berry however Lum seems best in this case as you can avoid mindgames with the Mesprit with going for Psychic/Twave as you Sub/Smash. Also the lack of priority on this team makes it alot harder to revenge Barb even though if Skunk was physical and carried Sucker Punch you could dodge with Sub :] Watch out for Aftermath though !

sets

Barbaracle @ Lum Berry/White Herb
Ability: Tough Claws
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Shell Smash
- Substitute
- Return
- Razor Shell

Skuntank @ Lum Berry/Dread Plate
Ability: Aftermath
EVs: 232 Atk / 128 SpD / 148 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Sucker Punch
- Poison Jab
- Pursuit
- Memento

calcs

Barb
+2 252+ Atk Tough Claws Barbaracle Razor Shell vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Scyther: 243-286 (70.8 - 83.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252+ Atk Tough Claws Barbaracle Razor Shell vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Skuntank: 420-495 (120.6 - 142.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Tough Claws Barbaracle Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Sceptile: 389-458 (138.4 - 162.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Tough Claws Barbaracle Razor Shell vs. 252 HP / 240+ Def Mesprit: 213-252 (58.5 - 69.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252+ Atk Tough Claws Barbaracle Razor Shell vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Pyroar: 794-936 (253.6 - 299%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Tough Claws Barbaracle Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lanturn: 425-500 (108.6 - 127.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Fodder
0 SpA Mesprit Psychic vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Barbaracle: 115-136 (40.3 - 47.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
0 SpA Mesprit Psychic vs. -1 0 HP / 0 SpD Barbaracle: 172-204 (60.3 - 71.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO*
8 Atk Scyther U-turn vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Barbaracle: 73-87 (25.6 - 30.5%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

*Depends on if you run Lum or White Herb since you gain a free turn by either subbing on the Twave or eating your Lum.

After Memento

-2 252+ SpA Skuntank Hidden Power Grass vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Barbaracle: 112-132 (39.2 - 46.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
-2 252 SpA Pyroar Hidden Power Grass vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Barbaracle: 136-160 (47.7 - 56.1%) -- 73.8% chance to 2HKO
-2 252+ SpA Lanturn Volt Switch vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Barbaracle: 102-122 (35.7 - 42.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
-2 252 SpA Choice Specs Sceptile Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Barbaracle: 192-226 (67.3 - 79.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO*

*This would be if Sceptile went for Focus blast on Skunk as you Memento'd. Barb can setup on a -2 Focus Blast (barely) or a choice Locked Hp Ice.

These calcs mainly show that Barb can use Scyther as Setup fodder, choice locked Sceptile into Hp ice, or Mesprit if you play correctly around Twave with Sub. Every other mon can be setup on after a Memento even Skunk and Pyroar running Hp grass due to their choice of items in favor of Life Orb.

 

[marilli]

It's easy to rely on sweepers / combination of sweepers in these type of exercise because no team can check everything, so let's try something different.

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(or any Scyther counter)

This team has rather poor Special / Physical split. This doesn't matter much vs a lot of meta builds because Specs Sceptile has enough power to plow through sponges like Hariyama. But against special walls that provide a long term solution to Sceptile and Pyroar, such as Sliggoo, the weakness becomes painfully obvious. Sliggoo naturally synergizes very well with many Pokemon with high Defense stat that also happen to counter Scyther. Throw in an obligatory stealth rocker (or just pick a Scyther wall that has SR!), this progress becomes much quicker: Skuntank is forced to take chip damage every defog, and the moment Skunk is gone, Scyther is stuck with dealing with SR and cannot spam U-turn, and Sliggoo wins outright. Scyther has U-turn to keep momentum but it must eventually SD or Roost to stop Sliggoo from making progress on the rest of the team, which lets the physical wall make progress instead. However, the team cannot gain any relevant ground against the core without getting help from a series of crits or misplays. I'm submitting Quagsire as my Scyther check because it's what I used recently building w/ someone, but it's clear that Steelix would do the job just as well, if not better. You're gonna want SR somewhere anyways so it's not like having both is out of the question, either...

For a volt-turn based team facing a reactive team, which should be generally good matchup, this matchup is about as unwinnable as it can get.

sets

Sliggoo @ Eviolite
Ability: Sap Sipper
EVs: 252 HP / 164 Def / 92 SpD
Careful Nature
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Curse
- Outrage

Quagsire @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Recover
- Curse
- Waterfall
- Toxic

OR

Steelix @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 128 Atk / 128 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Heavy Slam
- Earthquake
- Toxic

calcs

8 Atk Scyther U-turn vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Quagsire: 67-79 (17 - 20%) -- possible 7HKO after Leftovers recovery
8 Atk Scyther U-turn vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Steelix: 22-27 (6.2 - 7.6%) -- possibly the worst move ever
8 Atk Scyther U-turn vs. +1 252 HP / 164 Def Eviolite Sliggoo: 48-57 (14.1 - 16.7%) -- possible 6HKO
252 SpA Pyroar Hyper Voice vs. 252 HP / 92+ SpD Eviolite Sliggoo: 67-79 (19.7 - 23.2%) -- possible 5HKO
252+ SpA Lanturn Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 92+ SpD Eviolite Sliggoo: 78-92 (22.9 - 27%) -- 40.7% chance to 4HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Sceptile Hidden Power Ice vs. 252 HP / 92+ SpD Eviolite Sliggoo: 86-102 (25.2 - 30%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252+ SpA Skuntank Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 92+ SpD Eviolite Sliggoo: 49-58 (14.4 - 17%) -- possible 6HKO
0 SpA Mesprit Psychic vs. 252 HP / 92+ SpD Eviolite Sliggoo: 51-61 (15 - 17.9%) -- possible 6HKO

As for the core's general viability against other threats, the defensive synergy of Sliggoo countering most Grass-types is obvious, as well as pairing physical and special walls together. They're pretty good together defensively.

 

[Finchinator]

I pointed this out to rozes after he built it and played a part in looking over the team and helping with the idea behind it when he built it, so I guess I'll give a bit of an inside perspective and my own personal belief as to how to break it.

The team has no normal resists and fat Mesprit gets overwhelmed by normal offense (Normal Spam, if you will) eventually, so I feel like this core would be in an advantageous position against the team, but it wouldn't necessarily 'just win' unless it plays around Mesprit and the constant offensive presence that Rozes' team presents, of course.

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Sets

Tauros @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Rock Climb
- Earthquake
- Zen Headbutt
- Fire Blast / Substitute / Pursuit / Rock Slide

Kangaskhan @ Silk Scarf
Ability: Scrappy
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Fake Out
- Sucker Punch
- Earthquake / Aqua Tail
- Double-Edge

Calcs

252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Tauros Rock Climb vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Scyther: 165-196 (48.1 - 57.1%) -- 90.2% chance to 2HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Tauros Rock Slide vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Scyther: 374-442 (109 - 128.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Tauros Rock Climb vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Skuntank: 286-339 (82.1 - 97.4%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Life Orb Tauros Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Shuca Berry Skuntank: 164-194 (47.1 - 55.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Tauros Rock Climb vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Sceptile: 296-348 (105.3 - 123.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Tauros Rock Climb vs. 252 HP / 240+ Def Mesprit: 146-173 (40.1 - 47.5%) -- 3.9% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Tauros Rock Climb vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Pyroar: 270-320 (86.2 - 102.2%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Tauros Rock Climb vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lanturn: 321-380 (82 - 97.1%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Life Orb Tauros Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lanturn: 367-434 (93.8 - 110.9%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

252+ Atk Silk Scarf Kangaskhan Double-Edge vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Scyther: 168-198 (48.9 - 57.7%) -- 95.7% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Kangaskhan Sucker Punch vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Scyther: 62-74 (18 - 21.5%) -- possible 5HKO
252+ Atk Silk Scarf Kangaskhan Fake Out vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Scyther: 57-67 (16.6 - 19.5%) -- possible 6HKO
252+ Atk Silk Scarf Kangaskhan Double-Edge vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Skuntank: 288-340 (82.7 - 97.7%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Kangaskhan Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Shuca Berry Skuntank: 134-158 (38.5 - 45.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Silk Scarf Kangaskhan Double-Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Sceptile: 295-348 (104.9 - 123.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Silk Scarf Kangaskhan Fake Out vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Sceptile: 99-117 (35.2 - 41.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Kangaskhan Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Sceptile: 110-130 (39.1 - 46.2%) -- 25.8% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Silk Scarf Kangaskhan Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 240+ Def Mesprit: 147-174 (40.3 - 47.8%) -- 55.5% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Silk Scarf Kangaskhan Fake Out vs. 252 HP / 240+ Def Mesprit: 51-60 (14 - 16.4%) -- possible 6HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Silk Scarf Kangaskhan Double-Edge vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Pyroar: 271-319 (86.5 - 101.9%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Silk Scarf Kangaskhan Fake Out vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Pyroar: 91-108 (29 - 34.5%) -- 4% chance to 3HKO
252+ Atk Kangaskhan Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Pyroar: 252-298 (80.5 - 95.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Kangaskhan Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Pyroar: 101-119 (32.2 - 38%) -- 95.7% chance to 3HKO -- 2% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Silk Scarf Kangaskhan Double-Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lanturn: 322-381 (82.3 - 97.4%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Silk Scarf Kangaskhan Fake Out vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lanturn: 109-129 (27.8 - 32.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252+ Atk Kangaskhan Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lanturn: 300-354 (76.7 - 90.5%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

 

[Take Azelfie]

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Sets

Rhydon @ Eviolite
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Rock Polish
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Megahorn

Camerupt @ Choice Specs
Ability: Solid Rock
EVs: 140 HP / 252 SpA / 116 Spe
Modest Nature
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- Lava Plume
- Hidden Power [Electric]

This core pressure so much of his team, Rhydon being the star can OHKO or severely damage his entire team with just coverage options as well as Rock Polish. Camerupt is really uncomfortable for him to switch into speaking the only thing that isn't hit super effectively is a PhyDef Mesprit. Lanturn is a jerk but as long as Camerupt isn't choice locked into a move set it should be scared to switch in.

 

[Rapture]

~Voting time~

Core 1: Rhydon + Garbodor + Archeops
Core 2: Skunktank + Barbaracle
Core 3: Sliggoo + Quagsire
Core 4: Tauros + Kangaskhan
Core 5: Rhydon + Camerupt

Some pretty well thought out cores this time, voting ends Monday so get to it! My vote is for core 3.

 

[Dr Ciel]

Core 2

 

[nv]

Voting for Core 3.

 

[Louna]

Core 3

 

[Winter's Howl]

Core 3

 

[AJB]

Core 1

 

[Ares]

Voting Core 1 because you only really need Rock Polish Rhydon, SD if you wanna get past shucca skunk.
lmao, rozes be glad that you didn't face someone who has good luck with offensive don
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/nu-324341266

 

[Ares]

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-nu-116864
e.e

Thats cause cased tried setting up on one of the few things he couldn't set up on.