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LightWolf said:
I will drop the Moody angle for now simply because I can already tell it'd take way too much arguing to get what I wanted out of that line of questioning, and we simply don't have the time nor do I want to take over the thread with an argument not likely to bear fruit before deadline.

Aubisio why are you only deci9ding between those 2 specifically. Different and wierd are neither really acceptable nor easily understandable, especially when we have no idea what the normal you are comparing them to is.

Unvote Vote Haruno

Probably my most comfortable lynch from those with enough traction behind it, especially when Haruno already had chances to respond to criticism and laughed them off.(literally posted LMAO and nothing else in one post).


Also can people stop town reading me? I really dislike people not scrutinizing me and it always makes me think mafia is banking on calling me clean just because they don't expect me to fuck up.
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there was nothing worth responding to, and clearly I didn't see your post before i posted my lmao judging from the timeframe. if you have something specific you want me to clear up, feel free.

Walrein hm?
 
All I see from it is fort being scum + fucktons of people + supposedly most/some of mafia jumping on an easy bw lel. You have 2-3 people outright saying I don't know what to do but I'm jumping on haruno because bw lel.
 
Okay, reads time. Typing fast to transpose paper notes, so expect typoes.

Light- I can see the point he made in #91, which negates the fact that he punctuated his opinions with a vote. Overall, lean Town

Asek was a bit all over the place before wagoning the game out of RVS. Unsure, but veering towards tiny Town lean

I remember Cancer being more aggro that this. Voting feels forced at start, then flimsy in justifying it. scum lean

Lean town on Llyod for fully expalining his percentage breakdown.

Lean Town on Walrein for same as Lloyd, plus I'm not convinced by the wagon on him.

Despite the lack fo steam, Martin tries to encourage discussion. tiny lean town

Blaz is active and promoting discussion Taking it with a grain of salt since he;'s the player on my list most likely for me to townbias, but reading as Town.

Haruno's playing less aggro, but otherwise style seems unchanged. D1 seems like Haruno warming up, tbh. 90% unsure, 10% maybe scum?

Don't like #109 from Shubaka and #111 feels like a flawed defense. tiny scum lean

Color actually bothered to make sure other players follow proper voting proceedure. Town has more to gain from making sure votes aren't invalid. Town

Moody's ignoring blatant Towntell from Color RE: #116. Had to be prompted to provide evidence for wagon case, bushed it off as "but gutread/can't be assed". scum lean

Aubisio's the only null who's really pinging me. All flash, no substance. igmeoy.
 
I want to address the belief that I was making a "wagon case". I never intended to make a case per se on Walrein, I had a gut feeling that his posts weren't as pro-town as they appeared to be and pushed on him to get reaction. I may get back on Walrein if flips tell me to but for today he's been heavily pro-town in his reluctance to follow the lightwolf/pancake/whoever has posted 2 times in this game but feels like I'm fishy -wagon so I have better options than going after him.
 
Just done a super quick re-read (forgot brass band band would take up the two hours i was intending to use for a slightly slower read hahaha). Agree with Texas on Cancerous with the skimreading I have done, so I'm going to hop off of Haruno for now. IDK if I'll have time to post again before DL 'cause food but if I do then great.

Unvote Haruno
Vote Cancerous

Might do some more re-reading while I eat and if I notice anything that feels off I'll post that.
 
lynch haruno: fort colorcastle (1)
lynch shubaka: acidphoenix (1)
lynch formerhope: walrein (1)
lynch walrein: asek, cancerous, blank slate (3)
lynch moodycloud: lightwolf, vanillish wafer, pancake (3)
lynch cancerous: texas cloverleaf, martin, smashlloyd (3)
lynch fort colorcastle: haruno (1)
lynch blank slate: Moodycloud, walrein (2)

tied vote between moodycloud and cancerous atm

I'm reasonably confident this is moodycloud's town game LightWolf pancake Vanillish Wafer
 
Honestly I don't like the "I'm trolling" defense Haruno is making (and that others are making for him) but it's apparently his player meta. Which.... idk I'm not fond of that player meta. However, Moody seems to be more and more suspicious. His posts use few references to specific statements, and his generalizations don't appear to lead anywhere.

I would like to hear Walrein's elaboration on why moody is not scum and "just stubborn".

I like how Haruno ignores the post where I pointed out how his "scumread" on me is mostly misrepresentation and/or tunneling.

Texas's pushing a vote on cancerous raises a smallish red flag for me: his case is good but he's semi-ignoring other people.
UPDATE: while writing this, he posted something new:
I'm reasonably confident this is moodycloud's town game LightWolf pancake Vanillish Wafer
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This makes my "smallish flag" bigger because of how insistently texas is tunneling cancerous, as well as the fact that he only pokes a tergeted 3 people.
Oh and Haruno is apparently on himself (lol, but clearly a mistake on texas's part and not ill intent)

Smashlloyd's following of Texas's push raises a bigger flag
Moody's doing the same thing raises an even bigger flag because unlike with Smashlloyd, Moody had been suspicious before.

Honestly I'm at a point where I want to stop saying "wtf is wrong with Haruno" and start lynching moodycloud.
I really don't like his "I'm trolling" card, because it makes it impossible to get a read on him. That's meh if he's town, but deadly if he's scum.
If we put aside his trolling, Haruno's only content was more or less an OMGUS against me, as well as other angry defenses.


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Actually, given where we are in terms of votes....

Unvote Haruno
Lynch MoodyCloud
 
Fort Colorcastle said:
Honestly I don't like the "I'm trolling" defense Haruno is making (and that others are making for him) but it's apparently his player meta. Which.... idk I'm not fond of that player meta. However, Moody seems to be more and more suspicious. His posts use few references to specific statements, and his generalizations don't appear to lead anywhere.

I would like to hear Walrein's elaboration on why moody is not scum and "just stubborn".

I like how Haruno ignores the post where I pointed out how his "scumread" on me is mostly misrepresentation and/or tunneling.

Texas's pushing a vote on cancerous raises a smallish red flag for me: his case is good but he's semi-ignoring other people.
UPDATE: while writing this, he posted something new:
This makes my "smallish flag" bigger because of how insistently texas is tunneling cancerous, as well as the fact that he only pokes a tergeted 3 people.
Oh and Haruno is apparently on himself (lol, but clearly a mistake on texas's part and not ill intent)

Smashlloyd's following of Texas's push raises a bigger flag
Moody's doing the same thing raises an even bigger flag because unlike with Smashlloyd, Moody had been suspicious before.

Honestly I'm at a point where I want to stop saying "wtf is wrong with Haruno" and start lynching moodycloud.
I really don't like his "I'm trolling" card, because it makes it impossible to get a read on him. That's meh if he's town, but deadly if he's scum.
If we put aside his trolling, Haruno's only content was more or less an OMGUS against me, as well as other angry defenses.


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Actually, given where we are in terms of votes....

Unvote Haruno
Lynch MoodyCloud
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filing this post away for later in the event of a cancerous scumflip
 
I was about to lambast Fort for not reading the rules because a tie vote prevents the lynch...

...then I re-read the rules and both players get lynched

All gucci

I have to leave for work now, if cancerous flips scum I have to imagine I'm a scum kill target


Also Fort it's not a tunnel on cancerous if I've made my case that he's the strongest scum likelihood
 
Why is Haruno voting for himself?

Anyways, between walrein, Haruno, moody and cancerous, I currently have a gut town read of walrein, a null/slightly scum read of haruno, no substantive read of moody and a scum lean on cancerous.

So despite hating to lynch when I'm not fully understanding of the situation since that's very clearly untown like, I'd rather have a cancerous lynch then any of the other 3 currently likely to be lynched today
Lynch cancerous
 
my vote is on Haruno not moody right now.

While I have my qualms about Cancerous, I'm way more inclined to lynch BT then as I currently have no reason to think they can be both scum.

Also no I'm very cross people keep saying I didn't make a case on them. Moody you made the case Walrein was brushing off accusations with jokes as a defense, you failed to follow up on it when asked to provide evidence of such with the only line you eventually quoted being miscontextualised and walrein was not being at all attacked in it. You have very clearly stated this was your gripe yet it doesn't seem to exist and even if you were just wanting to see his reaction, you still haven't addressed the results and your views of walrein post that.

Haruno, even if you didn't see my post before the lmao, you did see Fort's which was very similar in content and you never actually responded to mine which is just as bad as laughing it off. You misread and misrepresented arguments fort made and called my actions simple buddying without addressing my arguments. You have not readdressed the qualms about your Fort read nor me request to to show how I'm buddying with Walrein.
 
This cancerous lynch stinks. We are not just lynching someone not given a chance to respond but also there is an insane last second turnout for this lynch. On principle I dislike this lynch.
 
unvote

cancerous vote is pretty iffy in and out of itself, and texas will definitely have to do some explaining depending on cancerous flip. I swear to god I'm just going to take an infraction if hitmonleet decides to pull agape/ag and do extension on voting ;_;.
 
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