Project ORAS Duo Destruction

[Stratis]

Well almost nothing can counter that solo no matter how gimmicky (LO doduo hits too hard and drilbur checks all the flying resists). Omanyte and kabuto can, but kabuto only has a 75% chance to kill drilbur with waterfall. That is still the majority of the time so I would assume it still counts. On the other hand, there are a tons of dou teams that could easily defeat that. I would guess that's why Fiend Hound posted rhyhorn and chikorita as a joke. I'll post my own duo set, but I'll also post the kabuto set. I'm fine with 1 point either way.

EDITED OUT. RIP kabuto

There is SO many things as a dou (like anything with staryu or a scarfed water/ice poke) that can death fodder 1 poke to get a free switch to destroy this dou so I'll just pick something simple.

Vulpix @ Heat Rock
Ability: Drought
Level: 5
Evs: 36 Def / 196 Spa / 236 Spe
Timid Nature
- Overheat
- Fire Blast
- Quick Attack
- Energy Ball

This is simply death fodder. Only thing it does is set the sun.

Bellsprout @ Life Orb
Ability: Chlorophyll
Level: 5
Evs: 36 Hp / 76 Def / 196 Spa / 196 Spe
Modest Nature
- Weather Ball
- Solar Beam
- Sludge Bomb
- Sleep Powder

196+ SpA Life Orb Bellsprout Solar Beam vs. 36 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Drilbur: 39-47 (169.5 - 204.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
(39, 39, 39, 39, 39, 39, 39, 42, 42, 42, 42, 42, 42, 42, 42, 47)

196+ SpA Life Orb Bellsprout Weather Ball (100 BP Fire) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Doduo in Sun: 23-29 (121 - 152.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
(23, 23, 25, 25, 25, 25, 26, 26, 26, 26, 26, 27, 27, 27, 27, 29)

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236 Atk Life Orb Doduo Quick Attack vs. 36 HP / 76 Def Bellsprout: 9-13 (40.9 - 59%) -- 88.7% chance to 2HKO
(9, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 13)

No explanation needed. I would say this fits the duo theme better than a meaningless death fodder/free switch into a counter since there is synergy between these two pokes.

 

[fran17]

Well almost nothing can counter that solo no matter how gimmicky (LO doduo hits too hard and drilbur checks all the flying resists). Omanyte and kabuto can, but kabuto only has a 75% chance to kill drilbur with waterfall. That is still the majority of the time so I would assume it still counts. On the other hand, there are a tons of dou teams that could easily defeat that. I would guess that's why Fiend Hound posted rhyhorn and chikorita as a joke. I'll post my own duo set, but I'll also post the kabuto set. I'm fine with 1 point either way.

Kabuto @ Air Baloon
Ability: Weak Armor
Level: 5
EVs: 36 Hp / 196 Atk / 36 Def / 76 Spd / 156 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Rockslide
- Waterfall
- Knock Off
- Aqua Jet

I'm not really sure about this thing because it has chanche to lose if high knock off roll

236 Atk Life Orb Doduo Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 36 HP / 36 Def Kabuto: 10-13 (50 - 65%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
(10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 13)

If it gets an high roll Kabuto will lose 13HP+2HP from the stealth rocks remaining with 5HP

236 Atk Life Orb Doduo Quick Attack vs. -1 36 HP / 36 Def Kabuto: 4-6 (20 - 30%) -- 0% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock
(4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6)

Mid QA rolls will kill Kabuto so it can't counter this core

 

[Stratis]

You must have missed this Fran, but it was decided that high rolls would be treated as crits and your counter only had to work the majority of the time. See post #13 for confirmation. I think this is a little more slack than the counter that threat thread, but high rolls are kind of like crits anyways.

For the purpose of this project, high rolls will be treated the same way as crits. They have the same likelihood and I see so reason to differentiate between the two. If we were to take account "hax" near nothing viable would come out of this project and there would be no point. As long as you come up with a Pokemon that beats the given duo a majority of the time, that's good enough for me.

 

[GlassGlaceon]

Stratis the main problem with your post is having 3 mons.

You either pick kabuto, or you pick your duo, you can't have both

 

[Stratis]

Oh does it matter? Just go with the duo then. I'll even edit out the kabuto. It's a rip off of leingodf8 anyways.

 

[boo836]

I'm gonna blatantly steal stratis' blatantly stolen idea on the basis that nothing else works.


Kabuto @ Air Balloon
Ability: Weak Armor
Level: 5
EVs: 196 Hp / 196 Atk / 36 Def / 76 Spe
Impish Nature
- Rock Slide
- Waterfall
- Aqua Jet

236 Atk Life Orb Doduo Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 196 HP / 36+ Def Kabuto: 10-13 (45.4 - 59%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
(10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 13)

236 Atk Life Orb Doduo Quick Attack vs. -1 196 HP / 36+ Def Kabuto: 4-6 (18.1 - 27.2%) -- 81.1% chance to 4HKO after Stealth Rock
(4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6)

Drilbur has 75% chance of being ohko'd with sr, but it's more or less 80% because of chances to flinch. Impish is just for kicks because that's how i feel posting this ^_^

 

[Fiend]

op thinks my last core was bad so to spite him:
Amaura @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Refrigerate
Level: 5
EVs: 60 HP / 220 SpA / 228 Spe
Modest Nature
- Hyper Voice

Spoink @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Thick Fat
Level: 5
EVs: 36 HP / 236 Atk / 36 SpD / 196 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Zen Headbutt

scarf amaura wins easily. Spoink is death fodder that might tank an eq or something. Zhb for flinches.

 

[OP]

leingodf8

Really gimmicky but cool set. 1 Point.

Sammy-kun-sama

Please read the OP and understand how this works! :( 0 Points.

Fiend Hound

User: TCR? 1 Point.

Stratis

Gimmicky mon or using a duo, either way 1 Point.

boo836

smh get original

Bonus point to leingodf8 for the awesome idea!

In the future, I absolutely do not mind you posting multiple counters/duos, as long as its posted after the thread has died down for a while so that you're not taking ideas from other people.

Thanks to Fiend Hound for suggesting this round's core, good luck everyone :]

Snubbull @ Berry Juice
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 5
EVs: 116 HP / 196 Atk / 36 Def / 116 SpD / 36 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Play Rough
- Earthquake
- Fire Punch
- Thunder Wave

Pawniard @ Eviolite
Ability: Defiant
Level: 5
EVs: 236 Atk / 36 Def / 40 SpD / 196 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Knock Off
- Iron Head
- Brick Break
- Sucker Punch

Updated Leaderboard

Stratis - 7
Fiend Hound - 3
Pancham - 2
Fran17 - 2
boo836 - 2
leingodf8 - 2
Cityfolk - 1
Corporal Levi - 1
Svalkenaeres - 1
Pawou - 1
trash - 1

 

[Fiend]

Croagunk @ Eviolite
Ability: Dry Skin
Level: 5
EVs: 132 HP / 196 Def / 108 SpA / 36 SpD / 36 Spe
Modest Nature
- Nasty Plot
- Sludge Bomb
- Vacuum Wave
- Shadow Ball


Switches in on Snubbs and outspeeds + KOes:

calcs

196+ Atk Snubbull Earthquake vs. 132 HP / 196 Def Eviolite Croagunk: 14-18 (60.8 - 78.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
(14, 14, 14, 14, 16, 16, 16, 16, 16, 16, 16, 16, 16, 16, 16, 18)

180+ SpA Croagunk Sludge Bomb vs. 116 HP / 116 SpD Snubbull: 26-32 (108.3 - 133.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
(26, 26, 26, 26, 26, 26, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 32)

Pawn does jack all:

calcs

236 Atk Pawniard Iron Head vs. 132 HP / 196 Def Eviolite Croagunk: 9-12 (39.1 - 52.1%) -- 9.8% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
(9, 9, 9, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 12)

236 Atk Pawniard Sucker Punch vs. 132 HP / 196 Def Eviolite Croagunk: 4-6 (17.3 - 26%) -- 1.4% chance to 4HKO after Stealth Rock
(4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6)

Not hitting an Eviolite number means I kill:

calc

108+ SpA Croagunk Vacuum Wave vs. 0 HP / 40 SpD Eviolite Pawniard: 24-28 (114.2 - 133.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Obvious Power I fixed it.

 

[OP]

Croagunk @ Eviolite
Ability: Dry Skin
Level: 5
EVs: 52 HP / 116 Def / 188 SpA / 116 SpD / 36 Spe
Modest Nature
- Nasty Plot
- Sludge Bomb
- Vacuum Wave
- Shadow Ball


Switches in on Snubbs and outspeeds + KOes:

calcs

196+ Atk Snubbull Earthquake vs. 52 HP / 116 Def Eviolite Croagunk: 16-20 (72.7 - 90.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

188+ SpA Croagunk Sludge Bomb vs. 116 HP / 116 SpD Snubbull: 26-32 (108.3 - 133.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Pawn does jack all:

calcs

236 Atk Pawniard Iron Head vs. 52 HP / 116 Def Eviolite Croagunk: 9-12 (40.9 - 54.5%) -- 12.1% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

236 Atk Pawniard Sucker Punch vs. 52 HP / 116 Def Eviolite Croagunk: 4-6 (18.1 - 27.2%) -- 12.6% chance to 4HKO after Stealth Rock

Not hitting an Eviolite number means I kill:

calc

188+ SpA Croagunk Vacuum Wave vs. 0 HP / 40 SpD Eviolite Pawniard: 24-28 (114.2 - 133.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

196+ Atk Snubbull Earthquake vs. 52 HP / 116 Def Eviolite Croagunk: 16-20 (72.7 - 90.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
(16, 16, 16, 16, 16, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 20)
236 Atk Pawniard Sucker Punch vs. 52 HP / 116 Def Eviolite Croagunk: 4-6 (18.1 - 27.2%) -- 1.4% chance to 4HKO
(4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6)

16+5+1 from SR=22

 

[boo836]

Hippopotas @ Eviolite
Ability: Sand Stream
Level: 5
EVs: 212 HP / 20 Atk / 212 Def / 20 SpD / 44 Spe
Impish Nature
- Slack Off
- Earthquake
- Curse
- Rock Slide

196+ Atk Snubbull Play Rough vs. 212 HP / 212+ Def Eviolite Hippopotas: 7-9 (26.9 - 34.6%) -- 0% chance to 3HKO


236 Atk Pawniard Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 212 HP / 212+ Def Eviolite Hippopotas: 7-10 (26.9 - 38.4%) -- 84.5% chance to 3HKO
(7, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 10)


236 Atk Pawniard Iron Head vs. 212 HP / 212+ Def Hippopotas: 9-12 (34.6 - 46.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
(9, 9, 9, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 12)

you need some high rolls/ crits to win against hippo

 

[Stratis]

Shellos @ Eviolite
Ability: Sticky Hold
Level: 5
EV's: 228 Hp / 132 Def / 100 Spd / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
- Recover
- scald
- Stockpile
- Earthpower

236 Atk Pawniard Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 228 HP / 132+ Def Eviolite Shellos: 9-12 (33.3 - 44.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
(9, 9, 9, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 12)

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196+ Atk Snubbull Play Rough vs. 228 HP / 132+ Def Eviolite Shellos: 9-12 (33.3 - 44.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
(9, 9, 9, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 12)

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0 SpA Shellos Scald vs. 116 HP / 116 SpD Snubbull: 9-12 (37.5 - 50%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO
(9, 9, 9, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 12)

0 SpA Shellos Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 40 SpD Eviolite Pawniard: 10-14 (47.6 - 66.6%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO
(10, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 14)

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As long as thunderwave full paras don't happen at a bad time and there aren't any crits Shellos should be able to set up and kill pawniard and snubbul. It is a little boring using Shellos so often, but it's good at what it does.

 

[Svalkenaeres]

reserving koffing.