Other Pokemon of the Week [Starmie]

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I remembered reading a RMT a while back featuring a Chesnaught + Bronzong + Tentacruel core, which seemed pretty sweet. Bronzong is weak to Dark, Ghost and Fire in which Dark is resisted by Chesnaught, who is also practically immune to Ghost because only Shadow Ball is ever used. Chesnaught is weak to Flying, Fairy, Fire, Poison, Ice, Psychic, in which all barring Fire are resisted by Bronzong. And obviously the attack type that gets past both (Fire), is resisted by Tentacruel, who also deals with stuff annoying to stall such as Mega Bro, Mega Eye and Clefable etc by virtue of Acid Spray. The utility said core provides is also very sweet, providing SR and Spikes, and even spin support.

Also I'm pretty amused you are referring to the Pokemon of the week as "this week's victim", it's almost like as if being featured is victimizing it, even tho its more like glorifying it.
 
Well I'm like pretty much copying off of boltsandbombers format of writing each week's post, so that's how he wrote it.
Anyways, Chesnaught + Bronzong + Tentacruel seems like a pretty cool core, although it's kinda weak to SD Talonflame.

Chesnaught is also actually responsible for Gengar running Sludge Wave these days, since back in BW, I remember Gengar was often running Sludge Bomb, but these days it's running Sludge Wave to avoid being walled by Chesnaught. It's almost like they specifically made Chesnaught's ability just to counter Gengar lol
 
firehusky said:
Well I'm like pretty much copying off of boltsandbombers format of writing each week's post, so that's how he wrote it.
Anyways, Chesnaught + Bronzong + Tentacruel seems like a pretty cool core, although it's kinda weak to SD Talonflame.

Chesnaught is also actually responsible for Gengar running Sludge Wave these days, since back in BW, I remember Gengar was often running Sludge Bomb, but these days it's running Sludge Wave to avoid being walled by Chesnaught. It's almost like they specifically made Chesnaught's ability just to counter Gengar lol
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nah sludge wave is better for life orb sets simply because because it is more powerful, even if only slightly. the increased poison chance isnt really worth it since gengar really needs to kill things or else it will take a lot of damage.
 
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Keldeo
Base Stats: 91 HP / 72 Atk / 90 Def / 129 SAtk / 90 SDef / 108 Spe
Ability: Justified

Alright, this week's victim is Keldeo. Keldeo is a great wallbreaker and revenge killer, with it's Choice Specs set and Choice Scarf set respectively. It's special attack is very solid, and can be further boosted by a Choice Specs or a potential Calm Mind boost. A recent metagame trend is SubCM Keldeo, which is great at dismantling stall teams. However, Keldeo is weak to BirdSpam, and it's special movepool is quite barren, only consisting of Hydro Pump, Scald, Surf, Secret Sword, Icy Wind, and the Hidden Powers. Let's discuss!
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I feel like the Scarf set rose mainly in response to Lando-T being the main Scarfer but it's still effective as a revenge killer and late game cleaner. Specs is probably the better set because it hits so hard with the ability to hit both sides of the spectrum. SubCM is deadly with the right support, particularly Tyranitar who makes an excellent teammate.

Offensive Tyranitar demolishes all versions of Talonflame regardless of burns and can easily take a Brave Bird or Flare Blitz. It also works great to remove Latis (scarf) or bulkier psychics like Slowbro* and Celebi (band). They share some common weaknesses (Fairy, Grass, Metagross) but overall have good offensive synergy even if you aren't running SubCM on Keldeo

Despite a shallow movepool, Keldeo is really easy to fit onto many teams because it can still run several effective sets with just a few different moves. IMO Secret Sword (and its typing) is what helps make this pokemon so great, it's obviously and absolutely a must on every single set.

*Mega Slowbro is 2hko'd by Crunch if it switches into one, but can win with a burn otherwise.
 
Ttar + Excadrill + Keldeo is actually really common on sand teams, due to the fact that specs Keld can take out lots of Excadrill's counters, like Rotom-W (if weakened a bit), Skarm, Ferro, and Lando-t. I almost always find myself trying to fit a Keldeo on my team, because it's just so versatile. Another reason why I think the scarf set is popular is because it's kind of replacing Greninja as the go to special water type cleaner / sweeper.
 
so what does everyone think about the sub salac endeavor keldeo set back from xy? no one really expects it now as it has not been used much so is it an effective lure? personally it seems great but i'd like some input on it.
 
WOOHOO MY LITTLE PONY!

In all seriousness though, Keldeo is easily one of, if not the best Special Attacker in the tier. It's best set is hands down Substitute + Calm Mind cause with other offensive Pokemon, can destroy several Stall Cores. You can pair it up with so many offensive Pokemon like Serperior, Gardevoir Mega, Lopunny Mega, & other shit that I can't bother to list right now, but I assure you, there are several more. Scarf Tyranitar is also an excellent partner for eliminating the Lati Twins, which are a pain for all Keldeo sets; Landorus-T is another amazing partner with the Pony, as it easily pivots into Sub + Cm Pony's enemies like Talonflame & Pinsir Mega. Choice Specs Keldeo is an excellent wall-breaker that can tear down everything that isn't a dinosaur with a giant flower on it's back or a sentient mushroom. One thing I'd like to bring up (Once again with the innovation) is Taunt. I've been using Taunt CM Keldeo lately & it's great for shutting down a lot of stuff, & prevents them from crippling you with status moves & therefore hindering your sweep. What do you guys say?

Edit: I also want to say that Sub CM Keldeo + Lopunny Mega destroys lives.​
 
Keldeo and Mega Metagross is also a really good core, as Scarf Keldeo takes care of scarf lando-t, scarf excadrill, while hydro pump does a lot to mega sableye and other physical walls. SubCM Keldeo + strong physical attacker is a really good core, due to their good offensive synergy.
 
I love him, he hits like a truck with the Specs set, laugh at stall teams with the Sub-CM set (he can also run Taunt, tough I don't like very much as an option) and he can even be a cleaner with the Choice Scarf.
But most importantly he laughs at Chansey, who is the greatest tank for special attackers, thanks to Secret Sword.
Right now i'm trying him in core with Mega Metagross whit this set that was suggested to me by a friend:

Metagross-Mega @ Metagrossite
Ability: Tough Claws
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Pursuit
- Meteor Mash
- Zen Headbutt
- Grass Knot

It's kinda of unusual, Pursuit and Meteor Mash are there to beat the Latwins and Azumarill, who are the two most common checks to Keldeo, Zen Headbutt smashes bulky grass mons like Venusaur and Amoonguss, and Grass Knot lures in Mega Slowbro who is a check of both Metagross and Keldeo.
Keldeo on the other hand takes off Landorus-T, Bisharp, Ferrothorn, Gliscor, Heatran, weakens Rotom-W, Sableye, Scizor and Skarmory for Metagross
 
My favourite Keldeo set is easily the choice scarf one. Here's a list of big ou threats it can beat 1v1:

Mega Lopunny
Landorus-T
Bisharp
Mega Charizard-X (except bulky Will-O-Wisp)
Gengar
Mega Gyarados (after 1 DD)
Heatran
Landorus
(Mega) Scizor
Thundurus (if stealth rocks are up)
Mega Diancie
Excadrill
Ferrothorn
Garchomp
Gliscor
Tyranitar
Mega Aerodactyl
Diggersby
Hippowdon
Jirachi (usually)
Mamoswine
Politoed
Terrakion
Tornadus-T (if stealth rocks are up)
Chansey
So choice scarf Keldeo checks over half of the S- and A-rank Pokémon, aswell as beats some common cores.
Sure, without a Life Orb or Choice Specs it sometimes lacks power and it doesn't take hits very well, but if used right, scarf Keldeo can be a massive threat.
The obvious moves for it are Hydro Pump, Scald, and Secret Sword. The last move can vary, but I prefer Icy Wind. HP Ice can be used aswell, but I think the speed drop of Icy Wind makes up for the slightly less damage, although I sometimes regret this decision. The choice also depends on your team a lot.
Keldeo pairs amazingly with (SD) Talonflame, as they beat each other's weaknesses (like Heatran and Tyranitar for Talonflame and Celebi and Mega Sableye for Keldeo) very well, and thus make a great revenge-killing core.
 
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Wolflink88 said:
I love him, he hits like a truck with the Specs set, laugh at stall teams with the Sub-CM set (he can also run Taunt, tough I don't like very much as an option) and he can even be a cleaner with the Choice Scarf.
But most importantly he laughs at Chansey, who is the greatest tank for special attackers, thanks to Secret Sword.
Right now i'm trying him in core with Mega Metagross whit this set that was suggested to me by a friend:

Metagross-Mega @ Metagrossite
Ability: Tough Claws
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Pursuit
- Meteor Mash
- Zen Headbutt
- Grass Knot

It's kinda of unusual, Pursuit and Meteor Mash are there to beat the Latwins and Azumarill, who are the two most common checks to Keldeo, Zen Headbutt smashes bulky grass mons like Venusaur and Amoonguss, and Grass Knot lures in Mega Slowbro who is a check of both Metagross and Keldeo.
Keldeo on the other hand takes off Landorus-T, Bisharp, Ferrothorn, Gliscor, Heatran, weakens Rotom-W, Sableye, Scizor and Skarmory for Metagross
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Kelde gross is actually a great core. Metagross can take care of bulky grass types with grass knot, while also pursuit trapping the latis. These two have really good offensive synergy together, and okayish defensive synergy.
 
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red dragon OP

Base Stats: 78 HP / 84 Atk / 78 Def / 109 SpA / 85 SDef / 100 Spe
Charizard Mega X: 78 HP / 130 Atk / 111 Def / 130 SpA / 85 SDef / 100 Spe
Charizard Mega Y: 78 HP / 104 Atk / 78 Def / 159 SpA / 115 SDef / 100 Spe
Abilities X/Y: Tough Claws / Drought

Alright, this week's victim is Charizard! Charizard is a cool dragon. However, this week is about two of it's mega formes, Mega Zard X, and Mega Zard Y. Mega Charizard X has a solid attack stat, backed up by it's ability Tough Claws, essentially giving it a free Life Orb on contact moves. It also has access to Dragon Dance, making it faster and stronger. It loses it's Flying-type but gains a new Dragon-type, allowing it to abuse moves like Outrage and Dragon Claw. Mega Charizard Y on the other hand, is more specially oriented. It has a great special attack stat of 159, one of the highest in OU, with the ability Drought, summoning sunlight for 5 turns. This can boost it's Fire-type moves, making Fire Blast extremely strong. It also allows it to use Solarbeam, as it does not have to charge anymore. However, it still retains it's old typing, so unfortunately it is 4x weak to Stealth Rock. Both Zard X and Y have mediocre speed stats without boosting, and lose half of their health upon switching in on Stealth Rock in their vanilla form. However, Charizard is very unpredictable, as both mega formes are viable and have very different checks and counters. Let's discuss!

(also I can't believe I've been running this project for 9 weeks :O time flies by)​
 
One of my favorite things about the introduction of Mega Evolutions is knowing when to use them. With some things like Beedrill you obviously want to just go for it right away, but many require strategy (i.e. Gyarados not mega evolving when Keldeo switches in). Charizard is one of the pokemon where timing the Mega Evolution is an incredible tool for a few reasons. Firstly, your opponent won't necessarily know which Zard you're running if you don't Mega Evo right away. But also for Zard X you can set up on Fairies before transforming because you fully resist their STAB and can roost off the damage. Zard Y can also time its mega evolution to override sand when Hippo or Ttar come in to check a presumed Zard X

You can also get some 50 50s with Earthquake users when running Zard X by timing your mega evolution correctly (this is more for late game when it comes down to it since its risky early on)

Really a fun pokemon to use for reasons beyond what I stated (both forms hit monstrously hard) those are just my favorites
 
A cool thing about zard y is that it can run a monstrous physical set with flare blitz, solar beam, eq, and roost. Flare blitz zard y 2hkos chansey, and it can tear a giant hole through stall teams.

252+ Atk Mega Charizard Y Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia in Sun: 177-208 (39.8 - 46.8%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recover

It can 2hko cresselia with a bit of prior damage

252+ Atk Mega Charizard Y Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey in Sun: 366-432 (51.9 - 61.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

Guranteed 2hko on chansey.

252+ Atk Mega Charizard Y Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Sableye in Sun: 171-202 (56.2 - 66.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

Ez kill
 
IMO Zard Y should be used a lot more, it completely wrecks standard Sableye teams especially mixed set mentioned above as it can lure in Chansey and also easily kill most common stall team members, including most bulky waters such as Slowbro and Empoleon.
Unfortunately Altaria stall gives this guy headaches
 
EQ is actually a great alternative to Focus Blast, as it still 2HKOes Heatran, while also being a lot more accurate.
One seemingly perfect counter - mega altaria, actually is only a check.
252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mega Altaria in Sun: 150-177 (42.3 - 50%) -- 92.6% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Zard Y is very powerful, and so is Zard X. However, Zard X faces lots more competition with it's DD set, from mons like Gyarados and Mega Altaria. Also, one of the sets that propelled zard x to S rank last gen was the stall set, which is pretty much done better my mega sableye.
 
firehusky said:
EQ is actually a great alternative to Focus Blast, as it still 2HKOes Heatran, while also being a lot more accurate.
One seemingly perfect counter - mega altaria, actually is only a check.
252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mega Altaria in Sun: 150-177 (42.3 - 50%) -- 92.6% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Zard Y is very powerful, and so is Zard X. However, Zard X faces lots more competition with it's DD set, from mons like Gyarados and Mega Altaria. Also, one of the sets that propelled zard x to S rank last gen was the stall set, which is pretty much done better my mega sableye.
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I was talking about mixed set mentioned above me altho Altaria also is decent Zard X check
 
I feel that Charizard is great choice for Pokemon of the week. Y can learn Solarbeam (in combo it's ability it makes it broken) so it counters it's own counter. X on the other hand is a solid counter to other dragon types (it's also a good counter for its Y self) as it can take a couple of hits then mega evolve. X also has the advantage of not being weak to electric as origin char was.
 
Charizard has wonderful megas overall. Even though people say you can run physical Y , you can run a mixed X it has dual base 130 attacking stats making it a solid mixed attacker even though Physical is used like 99% of the time x)
 
Yeah, Physical is used more since it gets tough claws, essentially giving it a free life orb, and because it learns dragon dance. Y can also run a set with dragon rush to lure in the lati twins on the switch, but dragon pulse is normally better.
 
Acrological said:
Charizard has wonderful megas overall. Even though people say you can run physical Y , you can run a mixed X it has dual base 130 attacking stats making it a solid mixed attacker even though Physical is used like 99% of the time x)
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What attacks would mixed x run that would benefit it?
 
Outside of the possibility of Focus Blast for... something, I'd imagine it'd mostly be for the sake of getting around physical walls it might otherwise have some difficulty with, as well as obvious surprise factor. And while it would be competent, I'd imagine that it probably wouldn't be the most viable setup.

One thing I wonder, and one tiny niche defensive X might have over Sableye, would be the possible use of Firespin. You're kind of struggling for move slots here, and obviously, this might be a bit dubious to begin with, but at this point, I figure defensive Charizard X might appreciate whatever it can get to help stand out.
 
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