Other Pokemon of the Week [Starmie]

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lel, first time trying this.
Maybe Heatran?
It resists / is immune to everything Altaria is weak to, and can hit back hard against them. With access to lava plume to take care of Scizor, Magnezones, and Ferrothorns, and Earth Power to take care of Poison types, it can take care of everything Altaria is weak to. It even has Flash cannon for other fairy types that Altaria is weak to.
 
Yeah like I said , ScarfTran or Spedef Tran works well with cotton bird , and the synergy is almost perfect (that ground type immunity lost imo) be careful with Azumarill who destroy his core (but can not switch into Altaria) maybe Tenta for this Azu ? almost perfect synergy too.
 
Most steel types seem to be decent partners with altaria, since they have good synergy. Scarftran is pretty scary to face sometimes since it actually hits really hard. Tentacruel or something to beat azumarill is good, so I guess ferrothorn? Ferrothorn and Altaria have perfect synergy, while ferrothorn takes care of azumarill.
As LMay also said, Tentacruel is a good partner, it can spin for altaria before it comes in (since it's flying type before mega evolving).
 
Jirachi with Fire punch can do well with Alt too , Ferrothorn and Alt have a perfect synergy yes , but you can be careful with some thing with Fire/Fighting coverage who destroy Altaria (ScarfZone , Talonflame , Zard Y if you are running an offensive variant of Mega Alt , Gengar Focus blast/Sludge bomb , Scizor superpower , Sylveon HP Fire , M-Venu HP Fire...) and Excadrill can do the same like Tenta , can spin and have a good synergy with Alt.
And maybe for fun , Chandelure and Rotom-H ? They have a decent synergy with Cotton bird too lol.
 
Jirachi is pretty nice, can pass wishes and gets u-turn too.
Chandelure and Rotom-H I'm kinda iffy on, they're both not really that viable in OU, and share that nasty SR weakness before mega evolving.
Apparently, Terrakion is also a good partner, at least that's what it says in the Victory Road subforum. Definitely needs something to deal with scarf magnezone though.
 
I 've seen power herb solar beam Heatrans before, and I think those kill azumarill quite easily.
 
Sammy-kun-sama said:
I 've seen power herb solar beam Heatrans before, and I think those kill azumarill quite easily.
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Power herb solar beam heatran is sort of a gimmick. Azu is still a solid check however, it can easily switch in on anything but solar beam and OHKO with waterfall. Heck, even AV azu can take a power herb solarbeam.
252 SpA Heatran Solar Beam vs. 240 HP / 16 SpD Assault Vest Azumarill: 206-244 (51.3 - 60.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
 
I believe the Power Herb Solar Beam set is suppose to be a trapper/lure with Magma Storm to ensure you kill, but bar Heatran and Azumarill(?) I don't know what else you can expect to beat with it (not that I'd send in Azumarill anyway just because of the potential to get Burned by Lava Plume or Will-O-Wisp).
 
Karxrida said:
I believe the Power Herb Solar Beam set is suppose to be a trapper/lure with Magma Storm to ensure you kill, but bar Heatran and Azumarill(?) I don't know what else you can expect to beat with it (not that I'd send in Azumarill anyway just because of the potential to get Burned by Lava Plume or Will-O-Wisp).
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It's mainly for Rotom-W, and I can attest that it works really well.
 
boltsandbombers said:
Oh yeah, utilizing its massive pool of immunities and resistances is great for stall teams as it provides a cleric, check to both zards, keldeo counter, etc.
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So stuff that would benefit having zard and keldeo countered?
I'm think chansey could be nice since it doesn't like zard x or keldeo. Ferrothorn also hates both zards and keldeo.
 
Ok, so what do you guys think is M-Altaria's most underrated set? I definitely think it's the mixed set (hyper voice, fire blast, earthquake, roost), because it can easily lure in lots of it's checks like heatran, ferrothorn and skarmory, and then hit them with the appropriate coverage moves. It's also pretty rare atm, so people aren't that prepared for it.
 
The Agility speciat set is really underatted IMO , because you can put a lot of HP EVs , M-Alt 80 EVs speed can outspeed everything in the meta with strong Hyper Voice and very good coverage like Fire blast , and the problem with the special set is the lack of speed , so I think this set whichis really underatted , Alt should not be running every time DD , simply because every player except DD , and the Special set after an Agility is like a Special lop with more power (still walled by Chansey/Tran/Tflame/ZardY I know but if you have a few counter for these thing this set can work very well) maybe Tailwind can work too if you want a support.
 
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The Agility speciat set is really underatted IMO , because you can put a lot of HP EVs , M-Alt 80 EVs speed can outspeed everything in the meta with strong Hyper Voice and very good coverage like Fire blast , and the problem with the special set is the lack of speed , so I think this set whichis really underatted , Alt should not be running every time DD , simply because every player except DD , and the Special set after an Agility is like a Special lop with more power (still walled by Chansey/Tran/Tflame/ZardY I know but if you have a few counter for these thing this set can work very well) maybe Tailwind can work too if you want a support.
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Can you show some replays of that set? I've never seen it used and agility seems kinda meh on paper for mega altaria.
 
firehusky said:
Ok, so what do you guys think is M-Altaria's most underrated set? I definitely think it's the mixed set (hyper voice, fire blast, earthquake, roost), because it can easily lure in lots of it's checks like heatran, ferrothorn and skarmory, and then hit them with the appropriate coverage moves. It's also pretty rare atm, so people aren't that prepared for it.
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Yeah, i agree with you. But just a question, what is your spread for the Mixed set ?
 
Vinc608 said:
Yeah, i agree with you. But just a question, what is your spread for the Mixed set ?
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I don't know the exact spread, but I'd probably run something like 252 HP / 176 SAtk / 80 Atk or something, you need to play around with the damage calculator to see how many attack EVs you need to OHKO tran.
 
firehusky said:
I don't know the exact spread, but I'd probably run something like 252 HP / 176 SAtk / 80 Atk or something, you need to play around with the damage calculator to see how many attack EVs you need to OHKO tran.
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I disagree with that spread. You don't need Attack investment because modest EQ always 2HKOs, and running speed is really important for things like mega heracross.
I'd run timid and a spread of 24 HP / 248 SpA / 236 Spe to outrun max speed Jolly Mega Heracross, Timid Heatran, Adamant Excadrill, and Adamant Lucario.
 
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Chesnaught
Base Stats: 88 HP / 107 Atk / 122 Def / 74 SAtk / 75 SDef / 64 Spe
Ability: Bulletproof

Alright, this week's victim will be Chesnaught. Chesnaught is the first Pokemon to have the ability Bulletproof, which protects it from Ball and Bomb moves. (Such as Sludge Bomb, Shadow Ball, Energy Ball, Gyro Ball, Seed Bomb etc.) Chesnaught is a great physical wall, and plenty of support moves such as Spikes, Leech Seed and Spiky Shield. In ORAS, Chesnaught also got Drain Punch, which allows it to hit decently hard while recovering health. However, Chesnaught's typing leaves it 4x weak to to Flying-type moves, which are flying everywhere in the tier right now. Let's discuss!​
 
Balanced and Stall teams heavily enjoy a defensive grass 'mon for some key resists not found on any other type, and Chesnaught fills that role perfectly. Great utility with spikes, scouting, leech seed, decent options for recovery in drain punch/synthesis, GROUND and DARK resisit (this is pretty huge), and good anti-meta stabs.

Its BD subSalac set is currently turning the viability thread on its head as well, given it has a pretty cool niche in sweeping certain teams, unprepared or otherwise.

Heatran is a no-brainer as a partner if you're looking for a defensive core; together they resist every type oustide of Fighting and Ghost, the former which Chesnaught walls most 'mons and Heatran does a decent job tackling Sludge Wave Gengar. I don't really think I need to explain the synergy there though obviously it's not unstoppable. If you need to condense your defensive core to two very strong picks with hazards, however, look no further.

Since a lot of things for Chesnaught has been flushed out, I think what I'd want to discuss is the merit of Super Fang. TBH, Chesnaught has a bit of a 4MSS syndrome; you want leech seed + spiky shield but sometimes synthesis is better, you want spikes in there but sometimes you have to give it up for Grass Stab. Super Fang fails to remedy this, but on paper, it's an incredible move to use. With Taunt, it becomes a pseudo-stallbreaker in a way like Crobat or something. Sometimes, though, it's just hard to justify a moveslot for it...thoughts?
 
An interesting defensive core is Gyarados + Heatran + Chesnaught. These three have really nice synergy. Heatran can provide SR for the team, Chesnaught can Spike stack, while Gyarados helps take care of annoying stuff like Keldeo, Greninja before it was banned, and other things. Heatran is also a great check for fairies that can trouble this core.
 
firehusky Totally not a coincidence, but The Next Best Thing is Chesnaught, & the Pokemon of the Week is Chesnaught.

Anyways, Chesnaught is an excellent defensive Pokemon with some surprisingly good offensive power. On the stall team I'm currently running, I'm using a core of Chesnaught, along with Slowbro Mega & Chansey. The three make an excellent defensive core, being able to wall most of the meta, bar Gardvoir Mega & Heracross Mega (I use Doublade to remedy that.) & some other random shit. SubDrum Chesnaught is bound to become popular due to it's ability to set up on literally every bulky Water in the meta; of course you'll need support for this set, as it's quite weak to birdspam, Charizard Mega-Y, & the Lati Twins, so a solid partner to take those out such as Manectric Mega, & pair that up with something like Specs Sylveon to handle the Lati Twins. I'll leave with a question; I was laddering in OU today, & faced a Chesnaught with a Bulk Up. What do you guys think, is it good enough to warrant a moveslot?​
 
Bulk up Chesnaught just doesn't sound too appealing to me. The extra +1 defense isn't going to let you live a Brave Bird or something, and most Fire and Pyschic type moves are special, and Mega Gallade beats Chesnaught anyways. If you're going to use offensive Chesnaught, I think you would be better off with Breloom since SD is a faster way to boost, and it gets priority Mach Punch and Technician Bullet Seed, while it can hold a life orb and has faster speed.

Pretty much Chesnaught + special wall is a good core, since they can patch up each others weaknesses. SubDrum Chesnaught is also pretty cool, it can be pretty surprising and most people don't prepare for it.
 
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