There is a SubPuP set in the Smog Dex. Not sure if it's the same one you were thinking of.Is SubPuP fine? If yes, reserving it
If you mean this setIs SubPuP fine? If yes, reserving it
There is a SubPuP set in the Smog Dex. Not sure if it's the same one you were thinking of.
Minor nitpick, but Bisharp is almost never switching in (you can burn it if it comes in to revenge, but only if you didn't use V-Create). Otherwise this is a pretty cool looking set.Specially Defensive Victini - bane to all fairies in existence
Victini @ Leftovers
Ability: Victory Star
EVs: 248 HP / 152 SpD / 108 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk* (Use 31 with V-create)
- Will-O-Wisp
- Taunt
- U-turn
- Blue Flare / V-Create
This spdef variant focuses on Victinis stellar typing, which lets it check many prominent threats in the metagame such as Mega Metagross, Gardevoir, non-EQ altaria and Clefable. WoW lets Victini cripple Dark type switch ins such as Bisharp and Tyranitar as well as a whole spectrum of physical attackers in OU. Taunt turns Victini into a decent stallbreaker, shutting down the likes of Chansey and Clefable. U-turn gains momentum on the switches Victini forces. Lastly, Blue Flare could be used as Victinis STAB move and doesn't have recoil or stat drops like Flare Blitz / V-create has. However, V-create allows Victini to get past Volcarona and Gardevoir much easier, though the stat drops may hinder Victinis ability to wall things.
The EVs let Victini switch 5 times into SR whilst also reducing passive damage. 108 speed outspeeds Jolly Bisharp and Breloom and everything slower than that. The rest of the EVs is dumped into spdef for walling power. Alternatively, a spread of 248 HP / 152 Def / 108 Spe with Bold/Impish nature makes Victini a solid check to Mega Metagross.
To be fair, the EV spread for Tressed's set is very different since the focus is on spamming Final Gambit as opposed to just using it as coverage, and General Lao's focuses on Special attacks, not physical attacks. This is just my opinion, but I think both sets are different enough to merit letting in if you weren't already going to do so.Choice Scarf Victini is already a set that is standard.
You can't really spam Final Gambit. General Lao's set is fine, because it's focused on the special side as you said, but final gambit + choice scarf is already a thing.To be fair, the EV spread for Tressed's set is very different since the focus is on spamming Final Gambit as opposed to just using it as coverage, and General Lao's focuses on Special attacks, not physical attacks. This is just my opinion, but I think both sets are different enough to merit letting in if you weren't already going to do so.
Oh really? Lol I just thought of it on the spot. But I still think it qualifies here's it is a very rare set that is not seen much in this metaYou can't really spam Final Gambit. General Lao's set is fine, because it's focused on the special side as you said, but final gambit + choice scarf is already a thing.
edit: also Teeny Victory that OTR set is a set from BW I think, and it's straight off the analysis.
You're right about the speed, I was going off 95 base for some reason. I'll edit that. Also, this Victini is meant to clean weakened teams, not sweep when full health checks like Keldeo are around. Actually, sod S-Toss, I'm going to change the EVs for more power.I'm not liking that set. While it's interesting, I can't see it doing very well. Since you have max HP(for S-toss ik), your Reversal gets only 85 BP, which is only 10 BP stronger than Brick Break, plus your weaker to SR. And if you go 248 HP, you still fail to get the necessary KOs you could with other moves. For example, at +1, you can't reliably KO Keldeo, same with Manaphy. And things that switch into Victini are things that can generally break its sub and pressure it. Plus your Speed EVs are wrong. Jolly Victini with that much speed hits 481/482, while Jolly Scarf Landorus-T hits 463/464 max.
Don't really understand why you need Reversal. Bolt Strike just seems much better to me unless I'm missing something; Heatran doesn't like Power Up Punch and probably can't even break your sub unless Earth Power, while Bolt Strike can 2HKO. Chansey's not much of a problem, V-create does tons to it and it's basically mindgames whether you'll go with PuP or Sub depending on whether Chansey goes S toss or Toxic / T wave. Tbh, Bolt Strike is a lot more important than Reversal, hitting bulkier water-types that are otherwise annoying to deal with, while also hitting resists and neutral mons for decent damage.SubSalac Victini:
Victini @ Salac Berry
Ability: Victory Star
EVs: 72 HP, 252 atk, 184 spe
- Substitute
- Power-Up-Punch
- Reversal
- V-Create
An odd set I just thought up. Come in on something non threatening, sub, boost attack and repeat until Salac activates. Then spam reversal, and use V-Create as a last resort if Reversal won't beat the opponent. The EVs, while unable to safely sub on Chansey, get the most reversal power + can outspeed Lando-T at +1. The HP EVs let you sub 5 times, hitting a lower HP%, so a higher Reversal power.