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Announcement Twice Weekly Chess Room Tours

Discussion in 'Pokémon Showdown!' started by Reverb, Aug 20, 2016.

  1. Reverb

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    The Chess Room is excited to announce the inauguration of two new weekly tours! Starting this week, every Monday at 8:00 PM Eastern, a single-elimination round robin speed chess tournament capped at 30 minutes total tour time will be hosted. Every Thursday at 8:00 PM Eastern, a Chessmons tour will be hosted. The winners will have their names put in the Chess Room Intro!

    The tournaments will be hosted by Chess Room staff, and they are expected to complete in less than one hour. Each player will have five minutes on their clock with no increment, and chess matches will be played at www.lichess.org. In order to play in the chess tournament, you must have a lichess account so you can be identified (it is free). Chessmon battles will take place as an "Ubers" tournament, but noncompliant teams will result in a disqualification.

    Here is how you play Chessmons:
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    Your team must consist of the following:

    1. a King (a legal* pseudo-legendary OU Pokémon, so either Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, Hydreigon, or Goodra)

    2. a Queen (a legal* Ubers (or below) mon. List of Ubers mons: http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/formats/uber/)

    3. a Rook (a legal* OU (or below) mon. List of OU mons at http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/formats/ou/)

    4. a Bishop (a legal* UU (or below) mon. List of UU mons: http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/formats/uu/)

    5. a Pawn (a legal* Little Cup mon, excluding LC Ubers. List of LC mons: http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/formats/lc/)

    6. a Knight (The final stage of your Pawn. For example, if Riolu is the Pawn, then Lucario is the Knight). Additionally, Knights have to be legal in the OU tier. As an additional restriction, Pawns that have Uber Pokémon as their final stage are also disallowed.

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    Your Pokemon is legal if it's move set and ability is allowed in the respected tier.
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    Gameplay Rules:
    1. The winner is the first person to knock out the opponent's King.
    2. Only the Queen or King may Mega-Evolve.
    3. Only the Queen may be Ubers-tier (hence, no Ubers Blaziken Knight, or Ubers Mega-Salamence King)
    4. Pokémon must have nicknames matching their roles (name your King "King", etc.).
    5. Latios and Latias may not hold the item "Soul Dew" unless it is the Queen.
    6. Standard Smogon clauses minus certain exceptions for STAG on Uber Pokémon apply.

    To challenge an opponent, select their username and challenge them using the "Uber" tier.

    Point of Clarification: Wobbuffet cannot be used as a Knight if it has STAG, but Wynaut can be used with STAG as a Pawn because STAG is allowed in LC.


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  2. Ango

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    Chessmons Sample Teams:
    blalib's Bulky Core Team
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Importable (open)

    King (Garchomp) @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Rough Skin
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Outrage
    - Earthquake
    - Dragon Claw
    - Stone Edge

    Queen (Arceus) @ Life Orb
    Ability: Multitype
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Swords Dance
    - Extreme Speed
    - Shadow Claw
    - Earthquake

    Rook @ Life Orb
    Ability: Contrary
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 1 Atk / 30 Def / 30 SpA / 30 SpD / 30 Spe
    - Leaf Storm
    - Giga Drain
    - Dragon Pulse
    - Hidden Power [Fighting]

    Bishop (Regirock) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Clear Body
    EVs: 252 HP / 184 Atk / 16 Def / 56 SpD
    Impish Nature
    - Stealth Rock
    - Stone Edge
    - Thunder Wave
    - Earthquake

    Pawn (Frillish) @ Eviolite
    Ability: Water Absorb
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpD
    Calm Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Pain Split
    - Magic Coat
    - Recover
    - Scald

    Knight (Jellicent) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Water Absorb
    EVs: 248 HP / 216 Def / 44 Spe
    Bold Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Taunt
    - Will-O-Wisp
    - Recover
    - Scald

    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    FIREEEE's Rain Offense Team
    Importable (open)

    King (Garchomp) @ Rocky Helmet
    Ability: Rough Skin
    EVs: 252 HP / 116 Def / 140 Spe
    Impish Nature
    - Dragon Tail
    - Earthquake
    - Stealth Rock
    - Toxic

    Queen (Arceus-Ghost) @ Spooky Plate
    Ability: Multitype
    EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Calm Mind
    - Judgment
    - Focus Blast
    - Recover

    Rook (Klefki) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Prankster
    EVs: 252 HP / 248 SpD / 8 Spe
    Calm Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Thunder Wave
    - Psych Up
    - Flash Cannon
    - Spikes

    Bishop (Kabutops) @ Life Orb
    Ability: Swift Swim
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Waterfall
    - Stone Edge
    - Low Kick
    - Rapid Spin

    Pawn (Poliwag) @ Focus Sash
    Ability: Swift Swim
    EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Hasty Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Def / 0 SpD
    - Rain Dance
    - Endeavor
    - Encore
    - Icy Wind

    Knight (Politoed) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Drizzle
    EVs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 52 SpA / 4 Spe
    Bold Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Encore
    - Scald
    - Toxic
    - Ice Beam



    blalib's Xerneas Sweep Team
    [​IMG][​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG][​IMG] [​IMG]
    Importable (open)

    King (Dragonite) @ Lum Berry
    Ability: Multiscale
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Dragon Dance
    - Outrage
    - Earthquake
    - Extreme Speed

    Queen (Xerneas) @ Power Herb
    Ability: Fairy Aura
    EVs: 184 HP / 28 Def / 252 SpA / 44 Spe
    Modest Nature
    - Geomancy
    - Moonblast
    - Thunder
    - Focus Blast

    Rook (Volcanion) @ Choice Specs
    Ability: Water Absorb
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Modest Nature
    - Steam Eruption
    - Flamethrower
    - Sludge Bomb
    - Hidden Power [Grass]

    Bishop (Nidoking) @ Life Orb
    Ability: Sheer Force
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Flamethrower
    - Ice Beam
    - Earth Power
    - Sludge Wave

    Pawn (Pineco) @ Berry Juice
    Ability: Sturdy
    Level: 1
    EVs: 196 Def / 236 SpD / 76 Spe
    Bold Nature
    IVs: 1 HP / 0 Atk
    - Protect
    - Stealth Rock
    - Toxic Spikes
    - Pain Split

    Knight (Forretress) @ Light Clay
    Ability: Sturdy
    EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Def
    Impish Nature
    - Spikes
    - Explosion
    - Reflect
    - Rapid Spin


    Angoswag's Hyper Offensive Team
    [​IMG][​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Importable (open)

    King (Dragonite) @ Weakness Policy
    Ability: Multiscale
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Dragon Dance
    - Fire Punch
    - Earthquake
    - Dragon Claw

    Queen (Rayquaza) @ Choice Band
    Ability: Air Lock
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
    Adamant Nature
    - Dragon Ascent
    - Earthquake
    - Extreme Speed
    - Waterfall

    Rook (Excadrill) @ Life Orb
    Ability: Sand Rush
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Rapid Spin
    - Earthquake
    - Iron Head
    - Rock Slide

    Bishop (Porygon-Z) @ Choice Specs
    Ability: Adaptability
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Uproar
    - Ice Beam
    - Dark Pulse
    - Psychic

    Pawn (Pineco) @ Berry Juice
    Ability: Sturdy
    Level: 1
    EVs: 252 Atk
    Adamant Nature
    - Stealth Rock
    - Toxic Spikes
    - Spikes
    - Explosion

    Knight (Forretress) @ Custap Berry
    Ability: Sturdy
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
    Brave Nature
    IVs: 0 Spe
    - Reflect
    - Gyro Ball
    - Explosion
    - Rapid Spin

    sgtdevel's Copyrighted Team
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Importable (open)

    King (Garchomp) (M) @ Life Orb
    Ability: Rough Skin
    Shiny: Yes
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Earthquake
    - Outrage
    - Brick Break
    - Shadow Claw

    Queen (Mewtwo) @ Mewtwonite X
    Ability: Pressure
    Shiny: Yes
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
    Adamant Nature
    - Drain Punch
    - Earthquake
    - Ice Punch
    - Recover

    Rook (Clefable) (M) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Unaware
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
    Bold Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Calm Mind
    - Moonblast
    - Wish
    - Heal Bell

    Bishop (Quagsire) (M) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Unaware
    EVs: 252 HP / 116 Def / 140 SpD
    Bold Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Scald
    - Earth Power
    - Recover
    - Encore

    Pawn (Magnemite) @ Light Clay
    Ability: Sturdy
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
    Bold Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Light Screen
    - Magic Coat
    - Reflect
    - Volt Switch

    Knight (Magnezone) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Analytic
    Happiness: 0
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD
    Quiet Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe
    - Volt Switch
    - Thunderbolt
    - Tri Attack
    - Hidden Power [Fire]

    PenQuin's Clique Team
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Importable (open)

    King (Tyranitar) @ Choice Band
    Ability: Sand Stream
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
    Adamant Nature
    - Crunch
    - Stone Edge
    - Pursuit
    - Iron Head

    Queen (Landorus) @ Choice Specs
    Ability: Sheer Force
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Earth Power
    - Psychic
    - Sludge Wave
    - U-turn

    Rook (Serperior) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Contrary
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Glare
    - Leaf Storm
    - Hidden Power [Rock]
    - Dragon Pulse

    Bishop (Darmanitan) @ Life Orb
    Ability: Sheer Force
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Flare Blitz
    - Earthquake
    - Superpower
    - U-turn

    Pawn (Piplup) @ Focus Sash
    Ability: Torrent
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Stealth Rock
    - Scald
    - Ice Beam
    - Toxic

    Knight (Empoleon) @ Assault Vest
    Ability: Torrent
    EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpA
    Mild Nature
    - Hydro Pump
    - Ice Beam
    - Flash Cannon
    - Aqua Jet

    Yveltal321's Yveltal Team
    [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG] [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]
    Importable (open)

    King (Garchomp) @ Garchompite
    Ability: Rough Skin
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Substitute
    - Swords Dance
    - Earthquake
    - Dragon Claw

    Queen (Yveltal) @ Life Orb
    Ability: Dark Aura
    EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Hasty Nature
    - Dark Pulse
    - Oblivion Wing
    - Focus Blast
    - Sucker Punch

    Rook (Landorus-Therian) @ Choice Band
    Ability: Intimidate
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Earthquake
    - Knock Off
    - Superpower
    - U-turn

    Bishop (Milotic) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Marvel Scale
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
    Bold Nature
    - Recover
    - Scald
    - Icy Wind
    - Toxic

    Pawn (Drilbur) @ Focus Sash
    Ability: Mold Breaker
    EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
    Calm Nature
    - Toxic
    - Earthquake
    - Rapid Spin
    - Stealth Rock

    Knight (Excadrill) @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Mold Breaker
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Earthquake
    - Iron Head
    - Rock Slide
    - Rapid Spin
    Last edited: Aug 24, 2016
  3. IronicNinja

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    Is Ferroseed/Pawniard/Vullaby allowed as a pawn in this metagame?
    Wobbuffet is not allowed with STAG as a knight, please clarify that in the rules.
  4. Megazard

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    yes to the first, the second is already clarified. I assume gothitelle should have a similar restriction though since it's PU and a final evo
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  5. UltiMario

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    Some people outside of the Chess Room have started to pick up on this meta, myself included, because it's an interesting idea. But I'm posting to put an opinion that's come up between the rest of us about the following rule:

    This rule is pretty much a chokehold, and it's entirely making the meta and team building entirely restrictive and much worse. I can't imagine using a mega except Salamence (as Queen) or Metagross (as King), as all the other Uber megas aren't notably better than just running another Uber, and probably worse than running Uber + MegaGross. There probably means that (ironically, like chess) the teambuilding in this meta is so restrictive it might be solvable, which is generally considered a bad thing. There's probably some combination of Uber + Megagross + TBD Optimal Pawn/Knight + Two filler that's the best team in the metagame and once its found this meta will pretty much die on the spot since there will be no reason to run anything else. This single rule probably reduces the teambuilding possibilities to <0.1% of whats possible without it, and is probably a huge oversight from the Chess room making a flavorful rule. I suggest two solutions.

    1. Remove it.
    2. Your King is a mega OU or under.

    Both open up significant teambuilding avenues. Both have their own flavor to them: 1 keeps the pseudos, while 2 results in a more varied (but ultimately more ou-like) meta. I like 1 more personally. Of course, your rook/bishop/knight slots are still defined by the tier of your mega, not the base mon, just like the current tiering system. Edit: I guess theres a third option to just ban megas entirely, which is still better than the current rules, but worse than the two above.

    I get that this rule probably was just made for flavor, but it's bad for the tier, and shouldn't even make it to the first tour. That's what outside teambuilding/testing indicates, anyways.


    Oh, and as an additional notice, you might want to add BP clause. Basically: No Geopass Smeargle as your Rook, please.
    Last edited: Aug 22, 2016
  6. Master of Memes

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    Tyranitar-Mega (M) @ Tyranitarite
    Ability: Sand Stream
    Shiny: Yes
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Dragon Dance
    - Dragon Claw
    - Crunch
    - Stone Edge

    Xerneas @ Power Herb
    Ability: Fairy Aura
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Geomancy
    - Moonblast
    - Focus Blast
    - Psyshock

    Nosepass @ Berry Juice
    Ability: Sturdy
    Level: 1
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Stealth Rock
    - Toxic
    - Pain Split
    - Magic Coat

    Donphan @ Leftovers
    Ability: Sturdy
    EVs: 252 HP / 112 Atk / 140 Def / 4 SpD
    Impish Nature
    - Earthquake
    - Ice Shard
    - Stealth Rock
    - Rapid Spin

    Probopass @ Berry Juice
    Ability: Sturdy
    Level: 2
    IVs: 0 HP / 0 Atk / 0 Def / 0 SpD
    - Toxic
    - Stealth Rock
    - Pain Split
    - Magic Coat

    Clefable @ Leftovers
    Ability: Magic Guard
    EVs: 228 HP / 120 Def / 160 SpD
    Bold Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Moonblast
    - Calm Mind
    - Soft-Boiled
    - Cosmic Power

    There haven't been many made yet, but I can safely say this is the worst team ever in this tier
  7. IronicNinja

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    I have seen people run Kings aside from Metagross like Tyranitar, Hydreigon, Garchomp, and Goodra (the latter is annoying for its hydration + rest antics). I don't think removing the "Only the Queen or King may Mega-Evolve" rule is the right choice. You say there is an "optimal" team in which a combo of an Uber + Megagross + Optimal Pawn/Knight and two fillers will result if this rule is not abolished. However, I disagree. There are many upon many of Ubers you can pick (Xerneas/Arceus/Groudon/Kyogre to name a few), the King is not only limited to Metagross, and there are many Pawn/Knight Combos out there.

    Please explain how the single rule reduces teambuilding possibilities to <0.1% of whats possible without it. The only reason only the King/Queen should be able to mega-evolve is because they are the most powerful pieces in chess and they are the only ones that should be granted that opportunity.
  8. UltiMario

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    Because you can't (reasonably) mega evolve something other than Metagross, TTar, Salamence, and MAYBE Gengar. Yeah, you COULD use something like MKhan, MLuc, MM2, etc but they're pretty suboptimal compared to other choices. There's a LOT of megas, and a LOT of playstyles in Pokemon, and very few of them are compatible with that tiny list of megas. There'd actually be more diversity not having megas at all because the current megas push teambuilding towards offense, and removing them would improve the viability of defensive teams, and improve the diversity of the King slot since you're not using a Scarftar or MGross as an offensive utility. BO/HO is the absolute limit of what's viable with the current ruleset since no other team types can even exist.

    I get the idea of wanting Queen/King to stand out, but your King is typically the third worst member of your team (after your pawn and bishop) and that's even when you're using the OU ones. Hydreigon and Goodra probably leave them as the second worst mon on your team, if you're not using shitmons. With rule 2 in place as it currently is, teambuilding gets no options to invest defensively other than your single rook (of which can't even be like, Mega Scizor to check Xerneas, leaving M-Gross, Bronzong, and Aegis the only viable xern counters in the tier), which pretty much turns every single team into a queen, 3 mons that let that queen sweep, and then 1 or 2 deadweights that don't contribute to the game. A single rule is making a metagame significantly worse than what it could be for the sake of flavor. If King/Queen must really be that special, find something else interesting to do with them. Just not something that slashes teambuilding possibilities.
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  9. Reverb

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    Please see the rules summary. I added points of clarification.
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    How does one join the Chess Room?
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  12. The Quasar

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    Yesterday, I asked for another speed chess tournament in a different time. 8 pm East is really unconfortable for all European players. Thanks in advance.
  13. Reverb

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    Hi, we are looking into other times in the future. Right now we don't have the staff power to support more tournaments, but we are actively expanding our staff right now.
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  14. The Quasar

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    Thanks a lot. I have not so much spare time at this moment, otherwise I'd ask you if I could give you my permanent contribution.
    However, if you need some different persons to do that (like Smogon Tours), perhaps I could help you.
  15. IronicNinja

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    Will there be a thread for sample teams and another one for viablity rankings soon?
  16. Reverb

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    Ango will be adding sample teams shortly. We don't have viability rankings.
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  17. YazanJames

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    Will there be a room for this on showdown. Sorry im new to this
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    The chess room.
  19. Austin

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    I am not the creator of this meta but I was the person to mainly bring it to the chess room meaning most of the current rules are mine or was approved by me. I'm pretty open to rule improvements and agree with the megas especially since you showed how much team building is limited by this (either of your options work, and I'll run it by the other chess room staff to get their opinions) but for BP I think it'd be better to have a bit more play testing before banning unless there's enough people complaining.
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  20. JosephCottone

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    Worst is not bad enough to describe this team. This team is a failure
  21. IronicNinja

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    Rook (Keldeo-Resolute) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Justified
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Substitute
    - Calm Mind
    - Scald
    - Secret Sword

    I think Sub CM Keldeo is one of the best and most underrated rooks there is. It punishes people who use suicide lead pawns, and can actually do quite alot of damage. It can beat many of the kings, and Dragonite/Salamence wont appreciate Scald damage or Scald burns (and you get chip damage which is good).
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  22. DEMcKnight

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    Incidentally, for those of you wondering about the discrepancy between the Soul Dew rules posted above by Reverb and those currently listed in the chess room (and before someone posts about said inconsistency): we'll be resolving said difference shortly. The version Reverb posted above is, obviously, the one to go by for the tour.
    Last edited: Aug 23, 2016
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  23. JosephCottone

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    Does the knight have to be the final evolution of the pawn
  24. Reverb

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    Yes.
  25. Austin

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