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Underused Pokemon Matchmaking Phase 2 [Week 29 - Nasty Plot Infernape]
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Eutychios's Hydreigon
Hydreigon
And with 8 votes, Eutychios nabbed the win this week, making him the first to be in this Cycle's Hall of Fame! Congratulations n_n
This week, I decided to go with a Pokemon UU just recently got (and isn't broken like some stupid fairy I know <_<) and that is...
Celebi @ Leftovers / Life Orb
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Nasty Plot
- Giga Drain
- Psychic
- Dazzling Gleam / Recover / Earth Power
Submissions end on Friday.
This week, I decided to go with a Pokemon UU just recently got (and isn't broken like some stupid fairy I know <_<) and that is...
Celebi @ Leftovers / Life Orb
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Nasty Plot
- Giga Drain
- Psychic
- Dazzling Gleam / Recover / Earth Power
Submissions end on Friday.
Cobalion @ Shuca Berry
Ability: Justified
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Iron Head
- Close Combat
- Volt Switch
As Cobalion has trouble breaking through bulky waters and such, Celebi covers the stuff that usually happen to wall Cobalion. Similar to that of Blissey a solid counter towards Celebi, can be dealt with Cobalion's strong Close Combat. Volt Switch keeps up the pressure between the two pokemon in order to keep the momentum going, having Celebi safely switch into set up bait like Cresselia, pokemon that happen to be good answers to Cobalion by themselves. Stealth Rocks allows for role compression and helps out with certain OHKO's or 2HKO's Celebi can't do with alone. Shuca berry on Cobalion allows it to deal with the Mega Aerodactyl, another threat to Celebi. Typing wise, they cover most of the bases outside of the unfortunate, glaring fire weakness they have between them. Considering that most teams have a water type or some sort of fire switch in anyway, I felt like this wasn't too bad of an ordeal. Overall, Cobalion has some great offensive synergy with Celebi, as they're able to deal with whatever checks and counters their counterpart happens to have.
A few calcs that depend on Stealth Rock damage
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Celebi Giga Drain vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Gyarados: 265-313 (80 - 94.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Celebi Psychic vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Salamence: 383-452 (97.4 - 115%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
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Aerodactyl-Mega @ Aerodactylite
Ability: Unnerve
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Pursuit
- Stone Edge
- Wing Attack
- Earthquake
Even if they share an embarrasing ice weakness, Mega Aerodactyl and Celebi form a nice offensive core. Aerodactyl Mega is notably able to trap or ko most of the offensive threats to np celebi (crobat, beedrill, scarf chandelure, mega houndoom,...), allowing celebi to perform even against offensive builds. On the other hand, np celebi can switch and set up on most of the bulky mons aerodactyl has trouble with, most notably bulky water, and provides a solid win condition against most of stalls. Celebi can also act as a mid game wallbreaker against more balanced builds, allowing Mega Aerodactyl to clean afterwards.
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Krookodile @ Choice Band
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Knock Off
- Pursuit
- Earthquake
- Superpower
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Knock Off
- Pursuit
- Earthquake
- Superpower
Banded Krookodile has been really good in UU meta for some time now. It also complements the NP Celebi set quite well. Thanks to its stabs, it traps and/or kills most of the somewhat reliable switch ins to NP Celebi.
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Reserving Entei.
Lucario @ Life Orb
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Close Combat
- Extreme Speed
- Bullet Punch
Furthermore, on the offensive side of things, Celebi and Lucario decimate each other's defensive checks. Celebi blows away the likes of Suicune, Slowking, and to a lesser extent Cobalion and Doublade, while in return Lucario takes on Blissey, Snorlax, Umbreon, and pretty much everything that doesn't want to take a boosted E-Speed.
Below is an admittedly flawed offence team I made to prove my point, wherein I attempted to capitalize on the defensive utility of Cele-Luc, while also supporting 'mons that appreciate the threats that they take on out of the way (Sharpedo lookin' mighty fine once that Suicune / Florges / Aggron core is gone). Bar a handful of threats, such as Sharpedo, Sableye, and Gyarados, the team is able to hold its own pretty well, and this is in large part due to Cele-Luc's ability to cover such a wide array of the tier's defensive threats.
Celebi @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Giga Drain
- Nasty Plot
- Earth Power
- Psychic
Lucario @ Life Orb
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Close Combat
- Extreme Speed
- Bullet Punch
Sharpedo-Mega @ Sharpedonite
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Waterfall
- Crunch
- Protect
- Ice Fang
Mamoswine @ Life Orb
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Ice Shard
- Earthquake
- Knock Off
Salamence @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Draco Meteor
- Defog
- Fire Blast
- Roost
Azelf @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Psyshock
- Nasty Plot
- Thunderbolt
- Fire Blast
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Empoleon @ Shuca Berry
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 212 HP / 252 SpA / 44 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Defog
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Flash Cannon/Stealth Rock
Empoleon + Celebi is a good combination i've been using recently with great sucess. Empoleon deals well with most things that can revenge kill Celebi such as Scarf Hydreigon, Aerodactyl-Mega & Beedril-Mega. It also brings hazard support which is much appreciated considering how toxic spikes are annoying for Celebi, stealth rocks are also appreciated to weaken flying types. Scald is the mandatory stab, ice beam beats flying types and grass types that can both be a bit annoying for celebi to deal with.
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Suicune @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Roar
- Scald
- Rest
- Calm Mind / Sleep Talk
Aggron @ Aggronite
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 16 Def / 240 SpD
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Roar
- Heavy Slam
- Earthquake
Mega aggron is a great partner for NP Cele, it is a good counter for some threats to celebi, such as mega bee, specs sylveon,, also aggron helps the Celebi's sweep using stealth rock, and Roar to weaken these counters, finally earthquake cover a bit the fire weakness, instead celebi cover ground and fight weakness ,also it is a good check of Nidoking / queen, mega aggron is better as partner for celebi in balance teams.
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 16 Def / 240 SpD
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Roar
- Heavy Slam
- Earthquake
Mega aggron is a great partner for NP Cele, it is a good counter for some threats to celebi, such as mega bee, specs sylveon,, also aggron helps the Celebi's sweep using stealth rock, and Roar to weaken these counters, finally earthquake cover a bit the fire weakness, instead celebi cover ground and fight weakness ,also it is a good check of Nidoking / queen, mega aggron is better as partner for celebi in balance teams.
It's votin' time!
We got Merlouvynis's Cobalion, Jedenn's Mega Aerodactyl, LLH's Krookodile, ehat's Lucario, Sacri''s Empoleon, Mr. Highways's Suicune, and Eutychios's Mega Aggron.
Voting ends on Monday.
We got Merlouvynis's Cobalion, Jedenn's Mega Aerodactyl, LLH's Krookodile, ehat's Lucario, Sacri''s Empoleon, Mr. Highways's Suicune, and Eutychios's Mega Aggron.
Voting ends on Monday.