Ursaring Discussion

[BTzz]

Ursaring #217

HP: 90
Attack: 130
Defense: 75
Sp.Atk: 75
Sp.Def: 75
Speed: 55

Abilities

Guts increases Ursaring's physical Attack by 50% when he is inflicted with a major status ailment, such as Poison. In the case of Burn, the usual Attack reduction is overwritten by Guts' boost.

Quick Feet increases Ursaring's Speed by 50% when he is inflicted with a major status ailment, such as Poison. In the case of Paralysis, the usual Speed reduction is overwritten by Quick Feet's boost.

Unnerve prevents all foes from consuming any berries they may be holding. This effect persists until Ursaring leaves the field.

Movepool

LV up:
Heart Scale - Covet
Start - Scratch
Start - Lick
Start - Leer
Start - Fake Tears
Lv08 - Fury Swipes
Lv15 - Faint Attack
Lv22 - Sweet Scent
Lv29 - Slash
Lv38 - Scary Face
Lv47 - Rest
Lv49 - Snore
Lv58 - Thrash
Lv67 - Hammer Arm

By TM/HM
TM 01 - "Hone Claws"
TM 05 - Roar
TM 06 - Toxic
TM 08 - Bulk Up
TM 10 - Hidden Power
TM 11 - Sunny Day
TM 12 - Taunt
TM 15 - Hyper Beam
TM 17 - Protect
TM 18 - Rain Dance
TM 21 - Frustration
TM 23 - "Smack Down"
TM 26 - Earthquake
TM 27 - Return
TM 31 - Brick Break
TM 32 - Double Team
TM 39 - Rock Tomb
TM 40 - Aerial Ace
TM 41 - Torment
TM 42 - Facade
TM 44 - Rest
TM 45 - Attract
TM 46 - Thief
TM 48 - "Troll"
TM 52 - Focus Blast
TM 56 - Fling
TM 65 - Shadow Claw
TM 66 - Payback
TM 67 - "Retribution"
TM 68 - Giga Impact
TM 71 - Stone Edge
TM 75 - Swords Dance
TM 78 - "Level Ground"
TM 80 - Rock Slide
TM 83 - "Work Up"
TM 87 - Swagger
TM 90 - Substitute
TM 94 - Rock Smash
HM 1 - Cut
HM 4 - Strength

Egg Moves:
Belly Drum
Close Combat
Counter
Cross Chop
Crunch
Double-Edge
Fake Tears
Metal Claw
Night Slash
Seismic Toss
Sleep Talk
Take Down
Yawn
"Retribution"

Movesets:

Quick Feet Swords Dancer

Ursaring @ Toxic Orb
Trait: Quick Feet
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly nature
- Swords Dance
- Facade
- Close Combat
- Fire Punch / Shadow Claw

Probably Urasaring's most devastating set. It out-speeds the majority of RU with a Quick Feet boost and hits extremely hard with an SD, STAB boosted Facade coming off an impressive base 130 attack.

Hone Claws

Ursaring @ Life Orb/Leftovers
Trait: Guts/Quick Feet
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant nature
- Hone Claws
- Mega Kick
- DynamicPunch
- Fire Punch / Shadow Claw

This set abuses one of Urasring's new toys, Hone Claws. It's boost attack while boosting the accuracy of two high risk high reward attacks in Dynamic Punch and Mega Kick.

 

[Foxy Grandpa]

Hone Claws is just a bad idea imo, your better off just using Close Combat and Facade with a Toxic Orb and Quick Feet.

 

[waterwarrior]

Mega Kick and DynamicPunch are 3rd gen moves, and thus can not be used with Quick Feet iirc. And you really need Protect on Ursaring, as without it you're liable to take a huge amount of damage getting your Burn/ Poison off.

 

[Stratos]

it doesn't matter because facade is better anyway.

 

[BTzz]

you really need Protect on Ursaring, as without it you're liable to take a huge amount of damage getting your Burn/ Poison off.

not really. Ursaring forces a ton of switches in RU so activating status is never really a problem

 

[Agonist]

Mega Kick and DynamicPunch are 3rd gen moves, and thus can not be used with Quick Feet iirc. And you really need Protect on Ursaring, as without it you're liable to take a huge amount of damage getting your Burn/ Poison off.

iirc Teddiursa can learn Mega Kick and Dynamic Punch, so once it's been imported as a Teddiursa, it's ability could change upon evolving. However, the Hone Claws still sucks, since a status boosted Facade and Close Combat do more damage, and already have 100% accuracy. Not to mention Swords Dance is better than Hone Claws.

Maybe mention a trick room abuser?

Ursaring @ Toxic Orb/Flame Orb
Trait: Guts
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
IVs: 0 Spe
Nature: Brave
- Hammer Arm
- Facade/Double Edge
- Crunch/Night Slash
- Swords Dance/Yawn/Filler

Basically self explanatory, Hammer Arm for steels and also lowers your speed, Facade for stab, and Crunch or Night Slash for Ghosts.

 

[dSapper]

The moves in the first should be facade/close combat/crunch. Unresisted, and fire punch and shadow claw is just unnecessary. Nice job otherwise I guess.

 

[No Luck Involved]

Oh baby what a sexy Pokemon ^^)

Yeah Facade, Close Combat and Crunch is the best coverage. Fire Punch should be 4th choice, for a Trick Room set maybe.

If you can pass it a speed boost or two, Ursaring will not stop killing. +2 Guts hits something ridiculous like 1300 Attack or something. Such a beast

 

[Molk]

Iv'e been playtesting ursaring and IMO he's broken, think about it access to swords dance? perfect coverage? a facade as strong as latios's DM? QUICK FEET!!!!!!! im still going to use him for a while, and see if this is as true as i think

 

[marilli]

Unable to be walled in a conventional way =/= broken. He dies to a stiff breeze, and the Toxic Damage will surely rack up quickly. As with most Status Orb Sweepers, he's really prone to a Ghost / Dark-Resist switching in and out in random--and even if he's able to get a kill, he'll die really soon.

Aaaand... that's just assuming that you have a defensive team. As a defensive team, you're really in a conundrum vs. Ursaring because he'll bring down at least 1 mon along the way--and that's terrible for a stallish team. However, as an offensive team, what you should do is always stay in on an Ursaring and hit him with your STAB, before Status Orb even activates and Facade's power and Ursaring's speed both double. I've heard 'ursaring forces many switches' Not true: no resistences, middling bulk, and bad speed means that you cannot force switches. If you keep facing people who just switch out of Ursaring for no reason, you'll win games. Ursaring is a good mon-I've even used things like Swellow or Raticate and they work well: of course Ursaring does, too. But by no means is he broken.

 

[Molk]

Unable to be walled in a conventional way =/= broken. He dies to a stiff breeze, and the Toxic Damage will surely rack up quickly. As with most Status Orb Sweepers, he's really prone to a Ghost / Dark-Resist switching in and out in random--and even if he's able to get a kill, he'll die really soon.

Aaaand... that's just assuming that you have a defensive team. As an offensive team, what you should do is always stay in on an Ursaring and hit him with your STAB, before Status Orb even activates and Facade's power doubles. I've heard 'ursaring forces many switches' Not true: no resistences, middling bulk, and bad speed means that you cannot force switches. If you keep facing people who just switch out of Ursaring for no reason, you'll win games.

it was banned from uu in advance without quick feet, or close combat, or physical crunch, that's saying someting

Edit: and 90/75/75 is bulkier than P-Z and it can take at least one hit.

 

[marilli]

IIRC, BLs in RBY, GSC, and ADV aren't based on 'suspect process'--that only came in starting in Gen 4. So that means that the people working on Smogon decided that Ursaring was usable but not good enough for OU--not that it was banned in ADV UU via suspect process because of 'brokenness.'

Even if it were, it doesn't really matter--Entei without Flare Blitz and Extremespeed is also in ADV BL; that's a lot bigger of a boost IMO. Does that mean that Entei is broken? I'd be interested to find anyone who legitimately thinks Entei is broken. Its BL status in ADV is completely unrelated to how good it is in BW RU at this very moment.

EDIT: Lol, if there was a suspect process in GSC... Snorlax would have been so banned. idk why people's standard of 'ban this' is rising so quickly

 

[waterwarrior]

it was banned from uu in advance without quick feet, or close combat, or physical crunch, that's saying someting

Edit: and 90/75/75 is bulkier than P-Z and it can take at least one hit.

And Alakazam was the best sweeper in the game in RBY. Your point? Different gens, different threats, different playstyles, different tier-qualifying stats.

 

[Molk]

And Alakazam was the best sweeper in the game in RBY. Your point? Different gens, different threats, different playstyles, different tier-qualifying stats.

You have a point here. But after playtesting it is still taking down at least one (usually 2+) pokemon per team

Edit: after some more playtesting i now believe that ursaring is not broken persay, but a HUGE threat that people should watch out for. Hes no yanmega, but hes still Very good.