Serious The Politics Thread

[Divine Retribution]

Iran's regional allies are getting melted and the only response they had was a small missile attack that only managed to kill a single Palestinian.

I think this framing is really interesting... and disturbing. The "single Palestinian" that was killed was hit by shrapnel when Israel's missile defense system intercepted an Iranian missile over a populated area. But at least they stopped that missile from hitting something important, like a plane they were gonna use to bomb Lebanon or something.

But that's not really the disturbing part. Why are we measuring Iran's response by the number of people killed? As far as I can tell, every Iranian missile that wasn't intercepted landed on targets of millitary importance, namely two Israeli air force bases and the headquarters of Mossad. The intended effect doesn't seem to have been mass casualties.

Iran claims 90% of their missiles landed; this is almost certainly bullshit, but satellite images of the targeted Israeli bases show numerous impact sites, so clearly not all of the missiles were intercepted. If mass casualties had been the goal, would they have not targeted an Israeli population center rather than isolated military bases? Even a few missiles landing in a populated area would have killed far more than one person, and if they can get missiles past Israeli defenses to hit an air force base and the fucking Mossad headquarters, do we really think they couldn't do the same to hit a populated Israeli city?

Are mass casualties a desirable outcome in your eyes and if not, why even bring up the near total lack of casualties? If anything, it's a point in Iran's favor that the single person killed in the strike was killed as much by Israeli's defense system as by Iranian missiles. I wish Israel could be so precise instead of turning kids into mulch trying to hit HAMAS fighters. I don't like having to run defense for an autocratic theocracy but the way you framed this speaks to a particularly sickening way of viewing warfare in general, as if the goal should always be to kill as many people as possible.

 

[shesukmedry]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1842009297686794346

I'm actually really torn, I can't decide which is worse between the design of those signs or the fact that the Country that Harris and the Cheney family joined up to put over Party is Israel
either way, you're all invited to the "Country Over" Party

 

[S.A.C. Martin]

I think this framing is really interesting... and disturbing. The "single Palestinian" that was killed was hit by shrapnel when Israel's missile defense system intercepted an Iranian missile over a populated area. But at least they stopped that missile from hitting something important, like a plane they were gonna use to bomb Lebanon or something.

But that's not really the disturbing part. Why are we measuring Iran's response by the number of people killed? As far as I can tell, every Iranian missile that wasn't intercepted landed on targets of millitary importance, namely two Israeli air force bases and the headquarters of Mossad. The intended effect doesn't seem to have been mass casualties.

Iran claims 90% of their missiles landed; this is almost certainly bullshit, but satellite images of the targeted Israeli bases show numerous impact sites, so clearly not all of the missiles were intercepted. If mass casualties had been the goal, would they have not targeted an Israeli population center rather than isolated military bases? Even a few missiles landing in a populated area would have killed far more than one person, and if they can get missiles past Israeli defenses to hit an air force base and the fucking Mossad headquarters, do we really think they couldn't do the same to hit a populated Israeli city?

Are mass casualties a desirable outcome in your eyes and if not, why even bring up the near total lack of casualties? If anything, it's a point in Iran's favor that the single person killed in the strike was killed as much by Israeli's defense system as by Iranian missiles. I wish Israel could be so precise instead of turning kids into mulch trying to hit HAMAS fighters. I don't like having to run defense for an autocratic theocracy but the way you framed this speaks to a particularly sickening way of viewing warfare in general, as if the goal should always be to kill as many people as possible.

I have to be honest.

I wouldn’t engage with the points that forum member has put forward. It’s not a good faith argument.

We can all see the double standards loud and clear.

 

[S.A.C. Martin]

but in reality both sides are probably going to deescalate. Not by choice but by necessity.

This is the most irritating part of the post though. All evidence is suggesting Israel is continuing to escalate this deliberately to start a war with Iran. Literally all of the evidence.

The blood of thousands is on the State Department’s hands, and that of the president and vice president, for being so utterly complicit. Sorry to say.

But whereas before I had an inkling the USA never wanted a ceasefire, but an excuse to go bomb Iran, now we can see it was all a facade to keep the fighting going. Israel is the USA’s proxy, effectively.

Funny how the double standards are at every level in this.

 

[donphan fan]

The last year has been very troubling for me to see as a Brazilian. I was raised in a very religious household with far-right views. While I still practice Christianity my political views began to shift left-wing before Bolsonaro was elected. Those were very troubling years and unfortunately lead to a lot of fighting with my family. I do not think Lula is a perfect man and wish to see the Worker's Party become what it was in the 1990's but he is still better than the majority of left-leaning leaders in the world.

Like many others I have watched the atrocities committed by Israel and cannot fathom how the United States supports them the way they do. While we did not move here strictly for a better life it was always said that America would allow for that. It is now clear to me that this is not the case. I wish for nothing more than the end to this genocide and for the Israeli government to be held accountable for their crime. It is no coincidence that Israel has escalated this war the week before the 1 year day since October 7th. To the dismay of my parents I will be voting for Kamala Harris next month and hope she is better than President Biden but it is hard to feel she will be. Everyday I pray for the citizens of Gaza and now Lebanon. I fear that list will only continue to grow if America does not put an end to this.

 

[Chlora]

Last week a man who belonged to the organization "habeas corpus", self proclaimed "portuguese citizen and animal rights defender" came to our district's public assembly and used his time to talk how "normal people don't understand anything about maths and what's being discussed in national politics right now" (2025 state fund allocations) and showed a severed pig's head and said it was the current socialist candidate

it's as described

In other news, far right party "chega" gets accused in parliament of parading with nazis, and their representing leader immediately interjects and complains...
...that they were not addressed by their party's name (instead were called "they")

Ever since the far right came into relevance in portuguese politics it certainly does feel like we run a circus instead of a country. Really cannot be understated how populism weaponises poorly educated people and easily turns them against an enemy that just does not exist... the people running chega are absolutely vile and frankly i do think it's insulting that they have not been forcefully kicked out of the race both times now. Ideally, you'd want them being erased out early because no one votes for them but i think it's a genuine possibility we'll see them in power in 2028 at this point. Their growth just does not stop, and neither does how loud an opposing voice they are despite contributing so little and hopping between every possible stance on a matter
SOMEHOW in the Azores region (archipelago in the atlantic) their party passed a bill that makes it so children of the unemployed are put on bottom priority when being signed up to a public daycare, despite being unanimously barred in the mainland. Slowly they are gaining more and more control and it's genuinely frightening to think that they'll immediately plunge us into either 1) another dictatorship; 2) a huge regression in all kinds of rights, economy, and general quality of life (including public infrastructure) and/or 3) our third major economic crisis in only the past 20 years

I don't have any particularly insightful commentary, i just wanted to share this stuff

 

[MrHands]

I think this framing is really interesting... and disturbing. The "single Palestinian" that was killed was hit by shrapnel when Israel's missile defense system intercepted an Iranian missile over a populated area. But at least they stopped that missile from hitting something important, like a plane they were gonna use to bomb Lebanon or something.

But that's not really the disturbing part. Why are we measuring Iran's response by the number of people killed? As far as I can tell, every Iranian missile that wasn't intercepted landed on targets of millitary importance, namely two Israeli air force bases and the headquarters of Mossad. The intended effect doesn't seem to have been mass casualties.

Iran claims 90% of their missiles landed; this is almost certainly bullshit, but satellite images of the targeted Israeli bases show numerous impact sites, so clearly not all of the missiles were intercepted. If mass casualties had been the goal, would they have not targeted an Israeli population center rather than isolated military bases? Even a few missiles landing in a populated area would have killed far more than one person, and if they can get missiles past Israeli defenses to hit an air force base and the fucking Mossad headquarters, do we really think they couldn't do the same to hit a populated Israeli city?

Are mass casualties a desirable outcome in your eyes and if not, why even bring up the near total lack of casualties? If anything, it's a point in Iran's favor that the single person killed in the strike was killed as much by Israeli's defense system as by Iranian missiles. I wish Israel could be so precise instead of turning kids into mulch trying to hit HAMAS fighters. I don't like having to run defense for an autocratic theocracy but the way you framed this speaks to a particularly sickening way of viewing warfare in general, as if the goal should always be to kill as many people as possible.

Sorry no offense but your post is wrong. Like, objectively wrong.

Israel's defense systems intercepted an Iranian missile over a populated area because... that's where it was headed. Most of Iran's missiles were aimed at populated areas. It was a saturation attack. Israel's defenses were focused on populated areas because that's where the missiles were targeted. Do all of these look like military targets to you? Oh wow a few dozen out of 200 missiles hit a military base WHERE WERE THE REST AIMED?

Notably Nevatim air base is in the southern cluster of strikes (roughly the blue dot) so perhaps Iran has cartoonishly bad accuracy or maybe most of its missiles were actually aimed at cities? The Iron Arrow prioritized defending civilian targets vs protecting aircraft and military hangers which is why a few dozen missiles struck a military base vs only a few civilian targets being hit (including a school!). Yeah sorry I know everyone here wants to talk about how Israel is evil Hitler while Iran is some peaceful force but in the real world Iran targeted cities and civilians and the only reason there weren't mass civilian deaths is because of defense priority.

This is the most irritating part of the post though. All evidence is suggesting Israel is continuing to escalate this deliberately to start a war with Iran. Literally all of the evidence.

Okey dokey artichokey but do you have anything of substance to say about how Israel has Jewish space lasers that can reduce Tehran to ash or are we living in the real world where Israel is close to incapable of escalating with Iran. Do you disagree with my post that Israel's only real way to escalate with Iran is long range air tankers or are we living in your fantasy world where Israel is going to kill lots of babies in Tehran using magic. In the actual real world Israel might respond by hitting nuclear or oil / gas targets ONCE but it can't do much more. Iran can similarly respond with relatively ineffective missiles but that also has risks. In the end both nations will talk shit but can't actually do much. My prediction is at best Israel will respond with a small counter strike followed by a small (~50 missile) response from Iran which will be the end of it. Maybe neither will fire at all.

Again I don't doubt that Israel and Iran would burn each other to the ground given a realistic opportunity to but luckily for humanity that probably isn't actually going to happen.

I have to be honest.

I wouldn’t engage with the points that forum member has put forward. It’s not a good faith argument.

We can all see the double standards loud and clear.

Lol. It took you three whole minutes to change your mind.

 

[tada]

it's neat that 'israel' is free to kill as many Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians and Yemeni as they want and not be called terrorists but the second Iran responds to their aggression they're vilified.

 

[MrHands]

it's neat that 'israel' is free to kill as many Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians and Yemeni as they want and not be called terrorists but the second Iran responds to their aggression they're vilified.

Not sure if you've been paying attention to the past 100+ pages of this thread but Israel has been plenty vilified, and for good reason! Iran should as well.

 

[Divine Retribution]

Sorry no offense but your post is wrong. Like, objectively wrong.

Israel's defense systems intercepted an Iranian missile over a populated area because... that's where it was headed. Most of Iran's missiles were aimed at populated areas. It was a saturation attack. Israel's defenses were focused on populated areas because that's where the missiles were aimed. Do all of these look like military targets to you? Oh wow a few dozen out of 200 missiles hit a military base WHERE WERE THE REST AIMED?
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Can I get a source for this map? I can't find anything even remotely similar to it even using Israeli sources.

Anyways, I'm curious how it is you think that every missile that was intercepted was surely aimed at a population center when every missile that wasn't landed near an air force base or the Mossad headquarters... which is in the center of Tel Aviv. Apparently Israel can conveniently perfectly intercept every missile that was definitely aimed at a population center but can't protect the headquarters of their most important intelligence agency in the center of their most populated city? If Iran could land missiles on the Mossad headquarters, do you really think they couldn't hit the rest of Tel Aviv? Could it be that you're uncritically consuming Israeli propaganda? Post those sources and let's find out.

 

[MrHands]

Can I get a source for this map? I can't find anything even remotely similar to it even using Israeli sources.

Anyways, I'm curious how it is you think that every missile that was intercepted was surely aimed at a population center when every missile that wasn't landed near an air force base or the Mossad headquarters... which is in the center of Tel Aviv. Apparently Israel can conveniently perfectly intercept every missile that was definitely aimed at a population center but can't protect the headquarters of their most important intelligence agency in the center of their most populated city? If Iran could land missiles on the Mossad headquarters, do you really think they couldn't hit the rest of Tel Aviv? Could it be that you're uncritically consuming Israeli propaganda? Post those sources and let's find out.

Israel has an alert siren that warns of RADAR detected incoming missiles similar to US tornado warnings or other alerts. The above map is from TheTimesOfIsrael but it was posted on Telegram in real time. The majority of the population was under some sort of warning alarm. [Mod edit: Telegram has some disturbing content on it, not hard linking it]

The source does come from Israel so if you want to hand wave it as propaganda because you can't emotionally handle it that's fine (where else is it going to come from lol). But some 100% confirmed strikes not on military targets:

2 wounded in Tel Aviv

Palestinian killed in Nu’eima

A school in Gedera, Israel

100 houses were damaged in Hod HaSharon

Also no I think you failed to actually read my post but missile defense prioritizes civilian targets over military. Targets in central Israel where population centers are were intercepted while targets in Nevatim and Hatzerim were peppered. So yes I don't think it's too tough to figure out how out of 200 missiles several dozen struck military bases while the remains, including air defense shrapnel, landed in or were shot down over cities.

 

[S.A.C. Martin]

So it’s one year on from Hamas’ attack on Israel.

Up to 1200 Israelis died during the attack.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/05/what-next-for-the-middle-east

The initial reports claimed “beheaded babies, burned in ovens, women raped and breasts cut off”.

The UN Report on sexual violence used on October 7th can be found here: https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15621.doc.htm

The “beheaded babies” statement from Israeli volunteer responders, the IDF and the government was found to be false. Meanwhile Palestinian babies were physically beheaded by bombing campaigns: https://www.theguardian.com/comment.../30/biden-palestinian-beheaded-israeli-babies

It took nearly nine months for the world to understand the hostage issue against the use of the hannibal directive.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-n...ed-dozen-own-citizens-on-october-7-un-claims/

Which has meant a blurring of the lines between hostage taking, murder, and the IDF enacting a “defunct protocol” on October 7th.

Some of the claims have been roundly debunked, but are still quoted for propaganda purposes.

In my view, October 7th was violent enough without exaggeration and lying, and I would urge caution on sources and citations when discussing it.

It is obvious that both Hamas and the IDF committed war crimes on October 7th, the latter likely to have done so against its own people to try and prevent hostages being taken.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...-captive/00000190-89a2-d776-a3b1-fdbe45520000

Since October 7th, over 3 million Palestinian and Lebanese civilians have been displaced.

https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...-12-million-prime-minister/story?id=114457624

42,000 Palestinians have died.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarado...-toll-is-uncertain-1-year-after-start-of-war/

The medical journal, the Lancet, believes it is actually closer to 186,000: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext

Of which, 17,000 were children.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext

Nearly 2100 children were under two years old.

https://euromedmonitor.org/en/artic...,100-Palestinian-infants-and-toddlers-in-Gaza

At least 34 children have died of starvation during the same year.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/25/...ldren-starvation-malnutrition-intl/index.html

Nearly 100,000 require urgent medical care.

https://www.nrc.no/news/2024/octobe...ing large-scale assault,killed in Gaza (OCHA).

Gaza is now an apocalyptic wasteland. 42 million tonnes of rubble after over 75% of the buildings have been razed to the ground.

https://www.reuters.com/graphics/ISRAEL-PALESTINIANS/ANNIVERSARY-GAZA-RUBBLE/akveegbnlvr/

This particular link by Reuters is one of the best visual analyses of the genocide that I have seen and frankly should be shared, mainstream, far and wide, to showcase that Israel’s “response” to October 7th was nothing short of genocidal.

In 2024, South Africa started a case against Israel at the International Court of Justice for the crime of genocide. You can find all of the updates here: https://www.icj-cij.org/case/192

Meanwhile, the ICJ issued a legal opinion on the Israeli occupation of Palestine: https://www.icj-cij.org/node/204176

Which lead to the United Nations General Assembly voting to end Israel’s occupation within one calendar year: https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/09/1154496

Voting result
In favor: 124
Against: 14
Abstain: 43

Meanwhile, Israel has started a war in Lebanon and is continuing a bombing campaign that has so far killed over 2000 Lebanese and Palestinian civilians (as they have targeted Palestinian refugee groups within the country with bombing raids).

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-attack-iran-backed-hezbollah-intel-lebanon-death-toll-over-2000/

It has been a year of dehumanisation, death, destruction and direct action. Protests the world over and reaching tens and hundreds of thousands big.

As the protests grow bigger in Britain, the media grows quieter.

I never thought we would see such scenes in my lifetime that echo the exact conditions which led to the holocaust in the 1940s.

I was gravely mistaken.

Since the holocaust, this planet has seen multiple genocides, and the plight of Palestine and the Palestinians (and seemingly now, the Lebanese) is the latest, most televised, one.

We should all be taking actions to pressure our members of parliament, or members of congress, or similar, to take substantial actions to stem the tide of violence.

The era of impunity must end.

 

[SittinGamer]

sorry guys i never made a tiermaker when everyone else was here we go

Credibly hacked

 

[Sabelette]

Just wanna say it's not lost on me that the racist trump supporter picked out the only Arab/Palestinian person he knew to harass, on October 7th, and his singular follow on his account was me, who he followed right after changing his profile pic to a Palestinian flag and then immediately came here to post bigoted things about killing all isr*elis, when I hadn't even posted in this thread since it reopened. Let me grieve the continued and expanded genocide in peace and don't make memes out of this, thanks. I'm fucking tired.

 

[tada]

That UNGA resolution is great and all but it'll never be enforced cause of the USA being on the United Nations Security Council will veto it like they've done with the blockade of Cuba for god knows for how long.

 

[Divine Retribution]

Israel has an alert siren that warns of RADAR detected incoming missiles similar to US tornado warnings or other alerts. The above map is from TheTimesOfIsrael but it was posted on Telegram in real time. The majority of the population was under some sort of warning alarm. [Mod edit: Telegram has some disturbing content on it, not hard linking it]

I see, that's why I couldn't find it. I was looking at maps of impact sites, not maps of... warnings. Do you think maybe it's a little misleading to post such a map after saying this? A little dishonest, even?

Do all of these look like military targets to you? Oh wow a few dozen out of 200 missiles hit a military base WHERE WERE THE REST AIMED?

Obviously the entire country is going to be under a missile warning. Israel has no clue where those missiles were targeted until they land.

2 wounded in Tel Aviv

By shrapnel as Israel's defense system intercepted Iranian missiles. We already established that some missiles landed in the vicinity of the Mossad headquarters, which is in Tel Aviv, although you kind of just ignored that and didn't bother explaining how it is Iran can hit that but not anywhere else in Tel Aviv.

Palestinian killed in Nu’eima

Already talked about this one. For the record, missiles are intercepted mid-flight. They weren't necessarily going to land where they were shot down, a strange assumption you seem to make both here and later in your post.

A school in Gedera, Israel

Right outside of the Tel Nof airbase, which is one of the two airbases that received pretty heavy bombardment. It's fortunate nobody was killed, and while it's impossible to rule out that the school was the target for certain, it's far more likely a near miss from the Tel Nof bombardment. These are unguided ballistic missiles being fired from over a thousand miles away.

It's depressing that Israel would build a school right next to a military base to begin with. That seems an awful lot like that "using civilians as human shields" thing they keep accusing HAMAS of.

100 houses were damaged in Hod HaSharon

Hod HaSharon is apparently the neighborhood next to the Mossad headquarters, which, again, was one of the targets of the attack. The majority of "damage" seems to be minor damage induced by shrapnel. Perhaps Israel shouldn't build targets of military importance in the center of populated civilian cities?

Oh wait, we do that too... Are we the baddies?

Also no I think you failed to actually read my post but missile defense prioritizes civilian targets over military. Targets in central Israel where population centers are were intercepted while targets in Nevatim and Hatzerim were peppered.

Tel Aviv is Israel's biggest population center, and yet there were multiple hits in the vicinity of the Mossad headquarters. Interesting that Israel apparently managed to stop every missile that was definitely aimed at civilian target but allowed multiple hits on the headquarters of their intelligence agency, which happens to be in the middle of their most populated city.

So yes I don't think it's too tough to figure out how out of 200 missiles several dozen struck military bases while the remains, including air defense shrapnel, landed in or were shot down over cities.

So again, missiles are intercepted mid-flight, not right before they're about to land, so it doesn't matter where they were shot down. I feel like I probably shouldn't have to explain that, but your intent seems to be to spread Israeli propaganda, not have an intelligent argument. You say...

air defense shrapnel, landed in or were shot down over cities.

... but your sources don't include a single instance of this actually happening, aside from one school right next to an airbase getting hit. That's obviously a tragedy and it's very fortunate no children were injured, but it doesn't really support the notion that most of Iran's missiles were targetted at civilians and Israel successfully neutralized each and every one of them, while allowing some hits on a couple of airforce bases and the Mossad headquarters in Tel Aviv.

Thanks for at least posting your sources though, even if they seem to undermine your arguments rather than reinforce them. One step closer to deprogramming all that colonialist propaganda clogging up your head.

 

[S.A.C. Martin]

Just wanna say it's not lost on me that the racist trump supporter picked out the only Arab/Palestinian person he knew to harass, on October 7th, and his singular follow on his account was me, who he followed right after changing his profile pic to a Palestinian flag and then immediately came here to post bigoted things about killing all isr*elis, when I hadn't even posted in this thread since it reopened. Let me grieve the continued and expanded genocide in peace and don't make memes out of this, thanks. I'm fucking tired.

I saw that post and was in the process of sending a report, but the mods seem to have deleted the post and banned the user.

There is nothing I can say or do that will make things better, period, but I am sorry that you have experienced this on this forum and I am deeply sorry for everything that you continue to go through, in this difficult time. You are not alone, please do reach out if you need.

We need solidarity and a ceasefire, not trolling. Should go without saying, but…

That UNGA resolution is great and all but it'll never be enforced cause of the USA being on the United Nations Security Council will veto it like they've done with the blockade of Cuba for god knows for how long.

I think you are likely right, but equally I think if it isn’t enforced, the USA may find it itself on the wrong side of the rest of the world before long. Anti-Americanism is starting to spread throughout the global south and most certainly through Europe too.

You can only treat peoples across the world so unequally with complete impunity for so long before people break. We are at breaking point, I believe, in the UK at least.

 

[tada]

I think you are likely right, but equally I think if it isn’t enforced, the USA may find it itself on the wrong side of the rest of the world before long. Anti-Americanism is starting to spread throughout the global south and most certainly through Europe too.

You can only treat peoples across the world so unequally with complete impunity for so long before people break. We are at breaking point, I believe, in the UK at least.

People need to take a stand for their independence sooner than later and tell the usa empire to piss off before all is lost. The other 2 super powers aren't perfect but they're miles better than the USA is for the world.

Not sure if you've been paying attention to the past 100+ pages of this thread but Israel has been plenty vilified, and for good reason! Iran should as well.

no, Iran shouldn't be vilified as they've showed incredible restraint considering all the crap that's been done to them.

 

[bb skarm]

To everybody in this thread directly affected by the genocide, believe me, I'm also tired. Just know you aren't alone. I myself am Lebanese. It has been immensely stressful, especially with regards to my family living there. My grandfather just escaped Lebanon, Alhamdulillah, but I've seen some things in the last year I'm not ever going to forget. I kind of question if I even can forget them. Lebanese and Palestinians are people who have dreams, who have ambitions, who families, who have livelihoods... the list goes on. They are men and women, just like me and you.

All that being said, we are a strong people. Finally, the world has woken up at the atrocities that been committed daily for so long. Falsehood is bound to perish - there's no doubt about it - and these atrocities will end. If you're out there feeling down about what's happening, please keep hope - I will as well.

 

[SittinGamer]

Yeah, its not me or anything, but a fella of mine in a discord is in Lebanon as well and has basically been shitting bricks/coping with Final Fantasy XIV. Thankfully, I think they're in the north and comparatively safe, but its been basically daily updates on their part as to what's going on.

 

[S.A.C. Martin]

I feel immeasurably angry, day after day, watching the various news channels, reading articles, putting together folders of evidence, citations, links…I was always told “never again” and I was always taught “never again” meant never again for everyone.

But for 76 years, unabated, Israel has been carrying out the obvious crimes of annexation, displacement, and outright murder, whether through the actions of the IDF or its settlers.

Normally in a genocide, there is a problem with finding evidence. In Israel’s case, we have the opposite problem. There’s so many war crimes, so much evidence, the numbers are so overwhelmingly high in virtually every regard, in such a short space of time, that you don’t know where to begin when talking about any of this.

Do we start with the starvation as a weapon of war? How about the destruction of farmland? What about water as a weapon of war, destroying fresh water piping throughout the Gaza strip and now the West Bank?

Do we talk about the literal thousands of sniper shots and bullet wounds recorded by MSF, mostly in the children of Gaza? Do we talk about the limitations of basic medical supplies? Where in Gaza - where gauze was literally invented - doctors do not even have access to this basic necessity for treating wounds?

Do we talk about the destruction of homes (domicide)? Where Israeli troops have blown up every university, most mosques and churches, destroyed whole blocks of houses. Somehow we have video and photographs of all of this, and weirdly nothing for the “vast underground network of tunnels”. Funny that. I am expecting that to be put into the category of “weapons of mass destruction” in due course.

How about we talk about the amount of weaponry used on a strip of land just 25 miles long and 5 miles wide at its widest? Recent reports suggest we are now well past 100,000 tonnes of bombs used on Gaza, which had no formal army, no tanks, no missiles, no navy, no air force, just IEDs, AK47s and improvised rockets. 30,000 Hamas fighters using weaponry reminiscent of the Viet Cong against an oppressive and long time oppressor.

Do we talk about the genocidal language that has been used by virtually every member of the Netanahyu war cabinet at some point? The complete dehumanisation of Palestinian, and now Lebanese lives? We are “fighting human animals” after all - right?

Do we talk about the social media complicity and double standards in this? Where pro Palestine and anti-Zionist voices are silenced from the river to the sea whilst Zionists talk openly of eradicating the two state solution, from the river to the sea? Where western media labels Israeli deaths as victims and Palestinian and Lebanese ones as collateral damage in a war?

Do we talk about the rhetoric of the United States and the duplicity of being involved in ceasefire negotiations whilst also arming the country that is literally setting the middle east on fire?

Do we talk about the rules based order being shattered when Israel doesn’t follow any single part of international humanitarian law? How every resolution is ignored? How Israel disregards the ICC and the ICJ? How every negotiation has seen assassinations, including the use of indiscriminate bombing by air strikes and pager bombs, the moment it got close to a ceaefire?

Do we talk about the amount of focus that has been placed on rape and sexual assault that has been claimed to have been carried out on October 7th (and we can’t rule out because Israel won’t allow the UN to investigate properly) or the fact that since October 7th, the amount of physical, reported, and verified, cases of sexual based torture and rape on Palestinians and Palestinian prisoners by Israel has skyrocketed? Including video of soldiers gang raping a prisoner, potentially to life changing injuries?

Do we talk about settler violence in the West Bank and the destruction of Palestinian lives there? The apartheid that is obviously and has been obviously going on there, for 76 years?

Do we talk about…

This is the bit which gets me. It’s never ending. Every single day, for 365 days, there were war crimes enacted by Israel onto Palestine. Every single day.

We haven’t even got to what happened in the 27,538 days before October 7th. Because trust me - there’s more!

If this post seems overly critical of Israel - what do you want me to do?

I’m a historian by trade, I’m an engineer by work, I work on the basis of evidence. When there is this much evidence of wrongdoing - putting it mildly - do you expect us to overlook it all?

At what point do we turn a blind eye to all this? (I’d argue - never - if we want a better world, then this needs to be stopped).

What would you have me do?

 

[tada]

When the law becomes lawless it's up to the people to restore order. What that looks like exactly is beyond my knowledge so i'll leave that to more intelligent minds to figure out.

 

[Eledyr]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1842699165161099383

https://www.tf1info.fr/internationa...ropos-macron-sur-livraison-armes-2327307.html

I'm deeply confused by these informations. On one hand, we have these infos published on the Lebanese news where it is stated that a french station implemented in Beirut that was targeted by Israel bombs. But on the other hand, one of the official French news states that this is "fake news", doubled by the fact that the said compagny, TotalEnergies, call it a fake news. Here is the important part of the article:

Sur les trois cibles visées par la consigne de "se déplacer à plus de 500 mètres", l'une d'elles concernait bien ce quartier du sud de la capitale. Grâce aux différents éléments fournis par l'armée et à Google Maps, nous avons retrouvé le bâtiment visé dans la nuit de samedi. Et il ne s'agit pas du tout d'une station-service, mais d'un immeuble abritant différentes entreprises et une "installation du Hezbollah", d'après l'armée israélienne.

L'État hébreu n'a donc pas visé une entreprise française. Toutefois, une station-service du groupe Total se trouve bien à proximité de cette cible, à moins de 300 mètres. Alors, a-t-elle été une victime collatérale ? Pour en savoir plus, nous avons analysé une vidéo tournée par Al Jadeed sur le lieu de l'impact, dès le lendemain matin. Face caméra, la journaliste explique que c'est "spécifiquement" sur ce point qu'une explosion a retenti la veille, entrainant la démolition complète d'un immeuble.

Or, d'après les données de géolocalisation, il s'agit bien de l'établissement visé par Tsahal. Comme le démontrent les images ci-dessous, on retrouve la pâtisserie au rez-de-chaussée de l'immeuble, une entreprise de vente de matériel électronique dont une partie a été soufflée par l'explosion, un panneau publicitaire ou encore le centre commercial "Eldorado". La journaliste ne fait par ailleurs jamais mention d'une station-essence, et aucune autre source sur place ne confirme cette information.

Which is roughly translated like this (it's my translation, for transparency):

Upon the three orders of "move away from more than 500 meters", one of them was indeed targeting this southern neighborhood of the captial. Thanks to the different elements granted by the army and to Google Maps, we have located the building targeted during Saturday's night. And it is absolutely not a gas station, but a block of flat containing different companies and "an installation of Hezbollah", according to Isreali's army.

The Hebrew State didn't target the French compagny. However, a gas station from Total is indeed close, at less than 300 meters. So, was it a collateral victim? To find out more, we have analyzed a video published by Al Jadeed on the place of the impact, the very next morning. In front of the camera, the journalist explains that it was "specifically" here that an explosion happened the precedent day, leading to the complete destruction of the building.

However, according to geolocalization datas, it is indeed the building targeted by Tsahal. As demonstrated by the picture below, we find the bakery at the ground floor of the building, an electronic devices selling compagny that was partially blown away by the explosion, a billboard, and the shopping center "Eldorado". The journalist never mention a gas station, and no other source there can confirm this information.

Here's the picture mentioned in this part of the article:

Spoiler

As you can see, there are contradicting information, so it is hard to know the truth. If you have any more sources of informations that can confirm one theory or the other, please let me know. This is an important event if the said gas station was indeed blown away, as Macron stated to stop providing weapons to Israel a few days ago, so that event could definitely be a form of "revenge".

 

[Eledyr]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1842699165161099383

https://www.tf1info.fr/internationa...ropos-macron-sur-livraison-armes-2327307.html

I'm deeply confused by these informations. On one hand, we have these infos published on the Lebanese news where it is stated that a french station implemented in Beirut that was targeted by Israel bombs. But on the other hand, one of the official French news states that this is "fake news", doubled by the fact that the said compagny, TotalEnergies, call it a fake news. Here is the important part of the article:



Which is roughly translated like this (it's my translation, for transparency):



Here's the picture mentioned in this part of the article:

Spoiler

As you can see, there are contradicting information, so it is hard to know the truth. If you have any more sources of informations that can confirm one theory or the other, please let me know. This is an important event if the said gas station was indeed blown away, as Macron stated to stop providing weapons to Israel a few days ago, so that event could definitely be a form of "revenge".

By the way, I didn't mention it but I strictly condemn these strikes regardless. Claiming Hezbolah was in these position is yet another obvious lie from the Israeli army trying to justify its destructive and warlike politics in its surroundings.

 

[S.A.C. Martin]

In relation to the petrol station story - I cannot see any of the reliable elements of the Middle East media giving it that much attention.

I think it is more likely to be just another element in the “collateral damage” of the war Israel is enacting on the region, rather than a deliberate targeting of any French infrastructure.

So, treat with a pinch of salt - but how much does it say about Israel’s current profile that my first thought was that it seemed plausible, given the attacking of hospitals, universities, schools, and the rest in Gaza. Why not add petrol stations to that list?