Except you're not trying to create a stalemate in the West. You're trying to allow Russia to grow in the Scandinavian area, and when Hydro is committed to stopping them, you're going to stab England. It's quite clear.
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Diplomacy Blind Date Diplomacy - GAME OVER (7-way draw)
- Thread starter StupidFlandrs48
- Start date
Except in the Spring, when you tried to move Hydro away, NWG wasn't there.
HydrogenHydreigon Duskfall98 Whichever one of you takes me up on my alliance offer - I am willing to give a significant portion of French land to you (Marseilles if Duskfall, Brest if Hydro, and the Iberians to whoever decides to ally).
When did I say this? When did I ever say that I wanted Russia to expand into Scandinavia?
Nowhere did I claim you said this. The support I specifically pointed out, mind you, indicate that you wanted England to attack me at the expense of losing Norway (sorry, not Sweden) to Russia.
So ftr I think that like people are asking me to make a decision but after last turn I think my general is not actually listening to me (as they ignored the aeg move I got support for to advance)
I don’t really have faith that an alliance I make will actually be held by them so I am more interested to see which love the make then I can try to gather their intentions a bit - I’m obviously not making much progress and once again everyone is asking me to help them with little intention to help me it seems.
I don’t really have faith that an alliance I make will actually be held by them so I am more interested to see which love the make then I can try to gather their intentions a bit - I’m obviously not making much progress and once again everyone is asking me to help them with little intention to help me it seems.
What point are you even trying to make here? You never explicitly said that you wanted Russia to expand into Scandinavia, yet the interpretation of your moves is exactly that.
I don't think that is the case at all. I think it was very much meant to signal to Britain that I want us to be in this together. It's just patently impossible to divine that intent from my support moves ex ante
I am literally helping you into the east with the only option I have while fighting for my life
Like I could play more agressively if I wasn't supporting you, but I'm supporting you anyways.
I am not letting France run the game, I am being told to help everyone and everything while getting nothing in return. “Even if I get nothing in return” so you want me to stay on 4 supply centres, while everyone else fights and gains then just lose in mid game because I’m tiny. I feel like I’ve made it abundantly clear that I expect some form of method to advance and gain supply centres but of the entire game who is trying to convince me to help them gain something, no one has offered me any way to make gains. I’m being asked to choose between losing to Russia turkey or France mid game right now.
To Italy's General
If you wish to join Germany and Austria, please move Naples --> TYS.
To England's General
If you wish to join our alliance, please convoy London through NTH to Belgium.
(A Lon -> Bel, F NTH C A Lon -> Bel)
If you wish to join Germany and Austria, please move Naples --> TYS.
To England's General
If you wish to join our alliance, please convoy London through NTH to Belgium.
(A Lon -> Bel, F NTH C A Lon -> Bel)
If you check my latest offer, I've offered you three supply centers if you wish to help me out against France's aggression.
Let me clarify because DBD is essentially putting words in my mouth:
I believe the intent of my general last turn was to indicate to Britain intent + a path of our future alliance.
DBD's assertion that I wanted Hydro to lose Nwy is just flat-out incorrect for a few reasons, namely:
I believe the intent of my general last turn was to indicate to Britain intent + a path of our future alliance.
DBD's assertion that I wanted Hydro to lose Nwy is just flat-out incorrect for a few reasons, namely:
- The fact that I never told Hydro to move NTH to Hol in Spring (If I told hydro to do that it would be a completely different story)
- The fact that I told Hydro to go to NWG with his Edi fleet to defend Nwy
- The simple fact that generals CANNOT communicate with each other???
British General: I would like to continue our partnership, as both you and my general have indicated previously. I think it is the best path to success for both of us. We have a couple of good ways to try and play this.
A creative solution (if you're comfortable with it) would be to shift Nwy to SKA while convoying A Lon to Nwy via NTH and supporting that move with NWG. I do understand that this leaves Lon open, so I would only suggest you do this move if Hydro assents so we can properly coordinate a DMZ and keep your centers secure.
Otherwise: Please tap Hol with NWG this turn while supporting Nwy w/ NWG. We are unable to take any centers this turn, but if you do this and I can take Ruh, we can crack open Germany and split open its centers. I propose that I would help you into Hol in the spring/fall of next turn, and we would eventually split Germany+Scandinavia+Hol/Bel along a relatively north-south split w/ even center distribution. You are also safe from Russia (for at least this turn), as they have no possible way of taking Nwy if you support it w/ NWG.
Italian General: As I have said pretty much every cycle, moving west is just simply a losing proposition. You cannot win a two-front war when you are bottlenecking your allies' progress and present them with an open flank of centers to eat up. If Alice is unwilling to help you, perhaps Duskfall98 can work with Turkey? But I still believe that A+I is more mutually beneficial. Perhaps Tommy can try moving into AEG this turn? Or do the 50/50 again? I trust Tommy's negotiating skills :)
I think the overarching theme here is this: would you rather ally with a country that has a viable plan to share power among us and multiple demonstrated commitments by myself and my general to our partnership, or a diplomat in a weak position that has flip-flopped between proposed alliances with three countries and has made promises that have no chance of being fulfilled?
I am loathe to put it in such stark terms, but that is how I see it.
A creative solution (if you're comfortable with it) would be to shift Nwy to SKA while convoying A Lon to Nwy via NTH and supporting that move with NWG. I do understand that this leaves Lon open, so I would only suggest you do this move if Hydro assents so we can properly coordinate a DMZ and keep your centers secure.
Otherwise: Please tap Hol with NWG this turn while supporting Nwy w/ NWG. We are unable to take any centers this turn, but if you do this and I can take Ruh, we can crack open Germany and split open its centers. I propose that I would help you into Hol in the spring/fall of next turn, and we would eventually split Germany+Scandinavia+Hol/Bel along a relatively north-south split w/ even center distribution. You are also safe from Russia (for at least this turn), as they have no possible way of taking Nwy if you support it w/ NWG.
Italian General: As I have said pretty much every cycle, moving west is just simply a losing proposition. You cannot win a two-front war when you are bottlenecking your allies' progress and present them with an open flank of centers to eat up. If Alice is unwilling to help you, perhaps Duskfall98 can work with Turkey? But I still believe that A+I is more mutually beneficial. Perhaps Tommy can try moving into AEG this turn? Or do the 50/50 again? I trust Tommy's negotiating skills :)
I think the overarching theme here is this: would you rather ally with a country that has a viable plan to share power among us and multiple demonstrated commitments by myself and my general to our partnership, or a diplomat in a weak position that has flip-flopped between proposed alliances with three countries and has made promises that have no chance of being fulfilled?
I am loathe to put it in such stark terms, but that is how I see it.
I doubt either Hydro or Tommy will have any centers once you take over my territory and use it to stab them
Duskfall, you will gain absolutely nothing by attacking me except alienating Austria for a small chance at Munich - whereas, if you choose to ally with me, you gain 3 supply centers (Iberians and Marseilles) with the chance for more in the future.
Duskfall, you will gain absolutely nothing by attacking me except alienating Austria for a small chance at Munich - whereas, if you choose to ally with me, you gain 3 supply centers (Iberians and Marseilles) with the chance for more in the future.
Hydro, you will gain more net centers in the long run if you choose to ally with me - you gain Norway and a "commitment" to gain some inland centers which Sunny can easily retake with the support of Russia (who would definitely contest Berlin and potentially Munich), whereas with me and Alice you can get 3 guaranteed centers in Brest and Iberia
One of you two can ally with me, the other will fight their own battle either against me or against other powers
That being said, I don’t really see how I can advance on France either it’s not a meaningful proposition and there’s no real strategy beyond me just eternally bouncing, I think the best interest for Italy is going east but the general kind of didn’t listen to the the only specific action I gave so I’m unsure if I can plan again.
Alice Kazumi lets say we try the move to Aegean see one more time and if you support me in today and my general ignores we can try come up with something else again tomorrow I guess and I’ll re evaluate…
Alice Kazumi lets say we try the move to Aegean see one more time and if you support me in today and my general ignores we can try come up with something else again tomorrow I guess and I’ll re evaluate…
You can for sure go East, I just need some help holding off Sunny's forces trying to take Munich
I don’t gain any of those centres you’re just saying I will, I bounce in the med and in pie while you lose to England and France right? Meanwhile I also do nothing in the east and Russia and turkey probably kill Austria will I’m bouncing on 4 sc and two super alliances build on either side of me.
I wouldn't want to be in your position either, but the fact of the matter is that a French alliance with you only guarantees your doom - Austria will likely attack you, France likely stabs you for Munich, and you get scissored by RT and/or FE anyways. Going with me and Alice has a bigger potential upside in the future.
You think Austria is going to attack me?