NOC Lumiose Legends Mafia - GAME OVER (Mafia Win)

HydrogenHydreigon said:
i wouldn't be surprised if lechen is just tired + frustrated bc i think it's finals week rn..? at least it is for me idk how much our school schedules align. i think the response was overdramatic but ultimately comes off more towny than not?
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no its not finals week, i go to an international school. but i am tired+frustrated because I just got back and have a ton of catching up to do already
 
Lechen said:
understood, I will only say publicly acceptable things dictated by our king skippergamez and hide my thoughts so I won't be scumread for just saying something I think is true
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sarcasm aside i think the statements "i dont think d1 yield useful reads" and "an anti d1 sentiment can easily be exploited by mafia" are statements that can and shoudl coexist
 
skippergamez said:
Yeah, the anti d1 sentiment is getting old to me and mafia could easily abuse it to like push the direction in there favor because “d1 is a Rand” and “there’s no reason to gametalk d1” so like Lechen actively pushing this agenda is confusing to me
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My OC-brained thoughts on this are that day 1 is effectively a rand as long as there's no claims, and there should not be. But at the same time, it can be good to push random votes onto people to see what they do, to make people out their preferences a bit if they have to vote someone. I do hope that the people using "d1" as an excuse will up their game on later days though.
 
after reading blazade again, i still think he comes off as null at worst, probably lean townie for most ppl is my guess

Votecount Hydro before bed
Vizh (3): AligningStar, skippergamez, des121
skippergamez (3): SB., Vizh, CrreamyKitty
pulsar512b (2): NightEmerald, Blazade
Lechen (1): Duskfall98
des121 (1): Aura Guardian
CrreamyKitty (1): Dead by Daylight
Aura Guardian (1): HydrogenHydreigon
HydrogenHydreigon (1): Lechen
Dead by Daylight (1): Mekkah

Not Voting (1): a fairy

so the top wagon have not changed. i think ive made opinion clear enough that i would prefer skip not be the vote and am okay with vizh being voted. however nothing has happened to convince me of reconsidering my ag read and otherwise i think dbd is an acceptable vote to me too

so you. im parking on ag and leaving thread for the night methinks. dl is 6am for me so i wont be around, best of luck town!!
 
ok now that I think clearly, i don't think hyhy is the vote and that was just OMGUS, sorry :(
People I would vote today:
DBD
I think this slot is scummy because of lack of content and even the posts with content aren't of much substance (507 especially, maybe give a reason for your reads lol) but i don't feel comfortable voting this because of me mislynching dbd for like every game except the one he is scum
 
Ok I am running off of 5 hours of sleep, half a cup of coffee, and a dream, so here we go:
SB. said:
I don't want to dwell on no daytalk for too long but it's probably more impactful for newer players, so I'd say getting everyone to get some kind of reads down before going into the night (even if they are mostly vibes based) is important. Once we hit N1 it's easier for experienced maf to start coaching the rest of the team.
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I feel like this is the approach we should be taking for the rest of D1. Get everyone to interact and post reads while uncoached and then use that info D2+onward. So I think we should be putting a bit more pressure on those who are active but not really engaging (contrary to what CK said way earlier; I can't be bothered to find that post rn)

Related to coaching I feel like there are gonna be 1/2 powerwolves and the rest of the team is gonna coast. Remember what I said from my initial angleshoot vote: maf was able to talk in pregame, so they probably came up with overarching strategy beforehand.

Aura Guardian
Dead by Daylight - this slot seems to be acting the MOST abnormally imo. DBD showing activity but not engagement is not at all what I have come to expect for him so the sudden change in tone is raising a bit of a red flag to me.
Lechen - I am not a fan of his posts but him reacting to pressure in this way is kinda his meta from what I see.
HydrogenHydreigon - P in his town meta afaik.
Mekkah - I think CK's townread on him will be important for determining this slot. I generally like the posting but I have nothing to compare it to
Blazade - Same w/ Mekkah in that there is nothing to compare to but I really don't like that the only thing he has contributed is like (1) readslist without further engagement?
Duskfall98 - something seems off(?) about his posts to me. This is completely vibes-based but I will be scrutinizing further. Also something just seems strange to me re: his lechen vote. Like yea I get that the content is lackluster but there are far better options for a vote from people who have been contributing even less content.
bluedoom - Honestly total gut read but I would say like null+1% scum? A lot of noncommittal actions + interaction with me re: tommy could be seen as a sheep attempt which he did in zorbees' game. Don't think a good D1 target but will scrutinize more.
a fairy - I get that she has had a lot of IRL commitments but even then I would have expected more engagement.
CrreamyKitty - either a powerwolf or town and I can't pin down which. If you made me guess I would say town but I think it is important to not give him a free pass just because he is actively scumhunting
skippergamez - tentatively TL here. I think he gets more valuable as a player the further the game progresses so do not like him as a D1 vote target
Vizh - This is a hard one to pin down but honestly I would say townlean atp. Good engagement and his reasonings did improve a lot when pushed. I'd be curious to hear more from the vizh voters as to why they think this is a good flip - I guess for info purposes?
SB. - I don't like how he immediately questioned NE's DBD vote when DBD has been...less than great so far this game
des121 - Agree w/ Blazade wrt D1 des being pretty much unreadable. Don't think its the worst D1 vote option but not the best. Liked the CK interaction
AligningStar - Gonna sound like a broken record but just like CK I think he is either powerwolf or town.
pulsar512b - I don't really like her posts BUT I think hydro is right that she is her town meta afaik. So also not the worst D1 vote but maybe not the best
NightEmerald - town equity has improved a lot in my eyes since he got off minecraft. I especially like the interaction with CK

HydrogenHydreigon said:
lechen is quite literally dbd but mildly scummier imo lol, they both have similar levels of lackingn content but dbd actually feels like hes trying more
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TL;DR I feel like after the lechen interaction the opposite is here wrt DBD / Lechen. I am still not a big fan of Lechen's posts but I want to see more from DBD
Aura Guardian said:
That game, they never failed to tell me when the final vote was bad.
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AG which wagons do you think are bad?
Lechen said:
whatever, ill be subbing out
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gotta say tho it doesn't strike lechen to me as one to just sub out
Blazade said:
I have no idea how anyone ever plans to read des btw, this kind of posting is simply incomprehensible to me.

Skipper and AG are classic mislynch bait and I don' t see any scumtells from either of them here.

Townleaning: Skip, Vizh, Mekkah, sunny, NE

Scumleaning: Charlie (SB), CK, Hydrogen Hydreigon, pulsar

Scumleans are all tone, nothing solid.

Don't like any of these wagons.

Vote pulsar not super confident here but we'll see what the thread looks like when I get up in the morning.

I keep apologizing for not having more time but I will continue to follow the thread and pay attention even though I have a lot of work tomorrow. (My teaching side gig is starting up!). I'll also ensure that I'm on at deadline and my vote is where I want it.
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I would like blazade to elaborate on these reads. Ik he is one to not do the wagonomics but you gotta add some meat to these bones my guy
bluedoom said:
I said that I'd be back and then got distracted, whoops.

I don't know how I feel about the thread state atm. Gut says that we land on a misvote with skip/vizh votes after thinking about it, but I'm not sure about new leads.

-I don't like CK's flip between Vizh and skipper, it doesn't feel like both of them posted much for CK to go from Vizh to skip, especially when he justified the initial Vizh through citing people saying that skip is playing to his townmeta/could be miselim bait, what changed?

-I don't find NE's suggestion to vote pulsar or DbD inspiring, what are you achieving with the pulsar elim and why is it better than voting a more active player?

-Don't like Tommy's vote on Lechen because uh what were aiming to do voting a lowposter exactly? I don't think this is as bad as the other people I've mentioned, but Lechen himself isn't going to be threatened by a vanity vote asking him to contribute.

-There's enough in this thread for AligningStars to have more reads than his RVS case on Vizh, which makes me think that he's a good vote right about now.

-I'm w/e about pulsar, although in the games I've played with her in, she's usually D1/D2 misvote bait who isn't as active as I would expect her to be.

-I think I wouldn't touch charlie until either skip flips or there's reasonable evidence to suggest that skip is town. That said, between Vizh and Skip I vote skip here, but think that both wagons will land on a misvote now.

I'm not touching dbd/ag/lechen today, and never touchung hyhy.

Think I'm willing to vote from whoever I listed. Vote: AligningStars

sunny/blazade/des/mekkah/af...I don't have strong feelings about these people, sorry.
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This is actually a solid readslist from BD imo tho. Interesting for him to land on aligning after all of this given 1) his pressuring of NE for voting pulsar for similar reasons to aligning and 2) his charlie / skip pairing that would maybe breadcrumb suggest a skip vote just to potentially get info on charlie?

Anyway unfortunately I need to do errands now so sorry for the wallpost and I will catch up on the rest before eod
 
sunny004 said:
Ok I am running off of 5 hours of sleep, half a cup of coffee, and a dream, so here we go:

I feel like this is the approach we should be taking for the rest of D1. Get everyone to interact and post reads while uncoached and then use that info D2+onward. So I think we should be putting a bit more pressure on those who are active but not really engaging (contrary to what CK said way earlier; I can't be bothered to find that post rn)

Related to coaching I feel like there are gonna be 1/2 powerwolves and the rest of the team is gonna coast. Remember what I said from my initial angleshoot vote: maf was able to talk in pregame, so they probably came up with overarching strategy beforehand.

Aura Guardian
Dead by Daylight - this slot seems to be acting the MOST abnormally imo. DBD showing activity but not engagement is not at all what I have come to expect for him so the sudden change in tone is raising a bit of a red flag to me.
Lechen - I am not a fan of his posts but him reacting to pressure in this way is kinda his meta from what I see.
HydrogenHydreigon - P in his town meta afaik.
Mekkah - I think CK's townread on him will be important for determining this slot. I generally like the posting but I have nothing to compare it to
Blazade - Same w/ Mekkah in that there is nothing to compare to but I really don't like that the only thing he has contributed is like (1) readslist without further engagement?
Duskfall98 - something seems off(?) about his posts to me. This is completely vibes-based but I will be scrutinizing further. Also something just seems strange to me re: his lechen vote. Like yea I get that the content is lackluster but there are far better options for a vote from people who have been contributing even less content.
bluedoom - Honestly total gut read but I would say like null+1% scum? A lot of noncommittal actions + interaction with me re: tommy could be seen as a sheep attempt which he did in zorbees' game. Don't think a good D1 target but will scrutinize more.
a fairy - I get that she has had a lot of IRL commitments but even then I would have expected more engagement.
CrreamyKitty - either a powerwolf or town and I can't pin down which. If you made me guess I would say town but I think it is important to not give him a free pass just because he is actively scumhunting
skippergamez - tentatively TL here. I think he gets more valuable as a player the further the game progresses so do not like him as a D1 vote target
Vizh - This is a hard one to pin down but honestly I would say townlean atp. Good engagement and his reasonings did improve a lot when pushed. I'd be curious to hear more from the vizh voters as to why they think this is a good flip - I guess for info purposes?
SB. - I don't like how he immediately questioned NE's DBD vote when DBD has been...less than great so far this game
des121 - Agree w/ Blazade wrt D1 des being pretty much unreadable. Don't think its the worst D1 vote option but not the best. Liked the CK interaction
AligningStar - Gonna sound like a broken record but just like CK I think he is either powerwolf or town.
pulsar512b - I don't really like her posts BUT I think hydro is right that she is her town meta afaik. So also not the worst D1 vote but maybe not the best
NightEmerald - town equity has improved a lot in my eyes since he got off minecraft. I especially like the interaction with CK


TL;DR I feel like after the lechen interaction the opposite is here wrt DBD / Lechen. I am still not a big fan of Lechen's posts but I want to see more from DBD

AG which wagons do you think are bad?

gotta say tho it doesn't strike lechen to me as one to just sub out

I would like blazade to elaborate on these reads. Ik he is one to not do the wagonomics but you gotta add some meat to these bones my guy

This is actually a solid readslist from BD imo tho. Interesting for him to land on aligning after all of this given 1) his pressuring of NE for voting pulsar for similar reasons to aligning and 2) his charlie / skip pairing that would maybe breadcrumb suggest a skip vote just to potentially get info on charlie?

Anyway unfortunately I need to do errands now so sorry for the wallpost and I will catch up on the rest before eod
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Wait when did aligning vote pulsar? Or am I reading this wrong?

I'm kinda torn about the d1 vote because misvotes suck and skipper has a naturally scummy game, but also I hate the justification for d1 vote as "lol info lynch" but I guess we're getting there.
 
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