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I don’t really understand AG’s role but role cop is pretty mafiaish and realistically you could say they copped AF and then killed her at the opportune moment knowing her role

And then now AG is trying to clear buddy NE? hmm

I think skip/neon are town

I meant MASS CLAIM today btw not just me claim. In fact I feel strongly we should do this
Why do you think skip/Neon are town? Has your opinion changed on CK?
 
Maybe Charlie is scum idk. Why would we have a vote negater and double voter?

Well I suppose there are kills out the wahoo itg

Maybe I’m wrong about skip them because I have a guess about their role but meh. Not worth thinking about until we mass claim
 
hi i fully got distracted but while i was eating lunch i was readinh charlie and i thought back to d1
skip (neon)/vizh were the top wagons and sat stagnant like that for like a whole day. aligning was a cfd. can we figure out pairings from that? if people were willing to jump to other wagons that could indicate a possible pairing with one or more of skip (neon)/vizh given both are still alive and maybe they wanted to protect a scumpartner. im not sure if it goes vice versa but uh you just brainspewing here
 
Votecount 1.4: It's Hydro's Turn to Steal my Job Edition
Vizh
(4): AligningStar, bluedoom, skippergamez, des121
skippergamez (3): SB., Vizh, CrreamyKitty
NightEmerald (2): sunny004, pulsar512b
des121 (2): Lechen, Aura Guardian
Lechen (2): Mekkah, Duskfall98
Dead by Daylight (1): NightEmerald
CrreamyKitty (1): Dead by Daylight
Aura Guardian (1): HydrogenHydreigon

Not Voting (2): Blazade, a fairy
Yikes! Gonna track all people who were on the Me/skipper wagons through EoD

T-2 hours
Votecount 1.5: It's Mafia Monday!
Dead by Daylight
(3): Mekkah, Lechen, des121
Vizh (2): AligningStar, skippergamez
skippergamez (2): charlieum, Vizh
pulsar512b (2): NightEmerald, Blazade
des121 (1): Aura Guardian
Lechen (1): Duskfall98
CrreamyKitty (1): Dead by Daylight
Aura Guardian (1): HydrogenHydreigon
HydrogenHydreigon (1): Lechen
NightEmerald (1): bluedoom
Duskfall98 (1): CrreamyKitty

Not Voting (3): a fairy, sunny004, pulsar512b
des leaves for DBD wagon, bluedoom and CK go off on their own wagons for (?) reason, and ironically all of the people who were voting one of the two of us and aren't (pretty much) town stay where they are

T-50 minutes
Votecount 1.6: It's Still Mafia Monday!
Dead by Daylight
(4): Mekkah, Lechen, des121, Aura Guardian
Vizh (2): AligningStar, skippergamez
pulsar512b (2): NightEmerald, Blazade
NightEmerald (2): bluedoom, Duskfall98
CrreamyKitty (1): Dead by Daylight
des121 (1): Vizh
Aura Guardian (1): HydrogenHydreigon
HydrogenHydreigon (1): Lechen
Duskfall98 (1): CrreamyKitty
AligningStar (1): charlieum

Not Voting (3): a fairy, sunny004, pulsar512b
Me voters stay where they are

charlie moves to AligningStar after casting suspicion on them earlier on, so not spur of the moment swap

Skipping ahead a little to T-2 minutes
Votecount 1.8: EXTREMELY Frantic Deadline Edition
AligningStar
(6): charlieum, Vizh, des121, Duskfall98, CrreamyKitty, NightEmerald
Dead by Daylight (3): Mekkah, Lechen, Aura Guardian
Vizh (2): AligningStar, skippergamez
CrreamyKitty (2): Dead by Daylight, sunny004
pulsar512b (1): Blazade
NightEmerald (1): bluedoom
Aura Guardian (1): HydrogenHydreigon
HydrogenHydreigon (1): Lechen

Not Voting (2): a fairy, pulsar512b
Most people active at deadline swap onto AligningStar

skipper wasn't present at deadline, and didn't swap

Only real info gleaming is vague potential for a charlie/skipper pair (I still am holding that I don't want to flip charlie today, I would much rather do it tomorrow)
 
Yikes! Gonna track all people who were on the Me/skipper wagons through EoD

T-2 hours

des leaves for DBD wagon, bluedoom and CK go off on their own wagons for (?) reason, and ironically all of the people who were voting one of the two of us and aren't (pretty much) town stay where they are

T-50 minutes

Me voters stay where they are

charlie moves to AligningStar after casting suspicion on them earlier on, so not spur of the moment swap

Skipping ahead a little to T-2 minutes

Most people active at deadline swap onto AligningStar

skipper wasn't present at deadline, and didn't swap

Only real info gleaming is vague potential for a charlie/skipper pair (I still am holding that I don't want to flip charlie today, I would much rather do it tomorrow)
what do you think the mafia team is
 
Looking into interaction between and thoughts between skipper/charlie now

Hi here are my notes reading through the thread

On 51, why did Charlie vote for a no post bluedoom?

On 198, I think it’s interesting that Charlie only engages with AG about reads on Sunny.

On 215, AG does give somewhat of a sheepish response to Charlie’s question.
(cut down) skipper has said that this was essentially a notes post, there are a few references to charlie
Sure, I think right now, I think I lean SB. and Sunny as the scummiest and the two I would want to vote the most
mentions SB (charlie) as one of their ideal votes
I am not really sure what Skip's opinions are by this post aside from Vizh/Sunny and idk what he thinks is worse?

I do townlean Vizh ftr, their posts have felt like a genuine effort to advance gamestate without much to work with. They could've sat back a lot more by this point as maf.
Relatively eh post regarding reading skipper's first message linked here
bluedoom's entry feels a little bit lighter than I expected, but the criticism of skipper wall after is decent. I kind of expected your vote to land there though from your posting, bluedoom is there it didn't?
Comments on how bluedoom seemingly lacked follow through re: critcism of skipper, could be NAI, could be breadcrumbing (Vizh note: I definitely had a discussion with this about someone. Not this specific thing but one maybe invovling Tommy?)
Skip's bluedoom reaction does feel weirdly disproportionate to getting one suspicion without being backed by a vote?

Also ngl I thought they would be more down to vote Vizh from their post so I'm very confused.
Casts suspicion on skipper in line with their previous post, more potential breadcrumbing
Not caught up but need to go for a bit.

atm

Vote: Skip
votes for skipper
I really didn't want to be defensive this game but tHaTs My ToWn MeTa so

SB. I have some questions for you
Why is your first post on a no post bluedoom, it doesn't signify as randing so to me it left me very very confused?
Why did you only engage with Aura Guardian when talking about Sunny, there was a whole conversation, yet you seemed to ignore it even when you seemed to have your own thoughts?
skipper explicitly asks charlie questions re: their original notes post
Because of RVS? Isn't this one obvious?

I asked AG specifically because I didn't understand his read and wanted to try and flesh it out.
charlie response to questions (Vizh note: I do think this second response checks out)
As I dissected it more the Vizh reads I don't like, especially the noted AligningStars and Hydro reads, but I also don't like the des read (could be not knowing them as a player), the Lechen read, and the Duskfall read, can you pls point out the backtracking.

Idk that readslist is sus as hell
Vote Vizh
(i'm still sus of Charlie and Sunny)
skipper REALLY dislikes my original readslist (idt it was that bad :( ), and uses that as their justification to slot me into their PoE and vote me instead of charlie/sunny (and their vote stays parked on me for the rest of the day)
I don't like Skip asking me questions and then not really doing anything with the answers.

Would appreciate votals. I don't really rate a Vizh vote, I feel like their efforts to try and drag us out of rvs early were genuine and I feel like they're getting a lot of flak for a reads post which was perfectly acceptable. I feel like he's just catching heat because he's more present than a lot of people so there's more opportunities to post something bad.
charlie dislikes skipper's response to charlie's response to skipper's questions (Vizh note: It's at around here where I question if I am potentially being pocketed)
I mean there wasn’t a lot in your answers that I could do with
skipper's response to the above (Vizh note: I agree)
Someone asked me why I scumleaned SB. and Sunny.

With Charlie, it’s really one thing now, and that’s I felt it was strange that they were only engaging with AG when discourse around Sunny happened, now I understand wanting to flesh sombody’s read out, but I felt they were somewhat avoiding the rest of the conversation?
(cut-down) skipper's reasoning for scumreading charlie (Vizh note: I also wanna look into this)
Skip's posting vibes a little better than what they had earlier but I don't really have time to examine it atm.

Momentum shifting away from Vizh is interesting bc I felt like nobody else townread him forever but idk what to make of it yet.
(cut-down) (Vizh: There were like 8 skipper posts, and if this was anything other than a "vibes a little better" it would ping me more, but this is where charlie begins to move off of skipper)
NE, Aligning and DBD. Skip is kind of waning bc I think their posts before I went to bed yesterday were more mixed and the gamestate kind of stinks. Softer reads on you and Des for smaller things but I am not interested in voting either of you today.

Still catching up but I’m phonebound for a bit.
All but off of skipper here
It means Skip/Vizh are probs not the play today yes.
Wants to get votes off of stale me/skipper wagons. Gives some context to my previous post, charlie didn't like the wagons just sitting there
My eyes glazed over their posts before but I didn't really clock them at all until bluedoom made a comment about them not doing anything and then they showed up like 30 mins later to disagree with one NE post and then vanished again. I read their ISO and most of their content posts are like this wrt they haven't really stepped up until prodded and they got away with it way harder than anyone else itg.
Reasoning for
Debating between DBD and NE myself/not there yet (not optimistic about getting Aligning) but they have weak scumreads - they were on DBD which didn't really make sense from their posts to me, then moved to Pulsar which they also haven't gotten anything out of. It felt kind of like they just moved onto Pulsar because they were getting flak for DBD vote but that also didn't really feel good to me.
Fairly indicative of charlie's perspective on ASS until the flip at EoD, they seemed to be prepared to flip onto DBD/NE
12. Vizh SCUMLEAN
I’ve explained this but their readslist was bad and they’re pushing fucking des121? Like what?
13. SB. SMALL SCUMLEAN
So like I think that some of their posts at the beginning were kinda scummy (limiting interaction to AG was something that I found curious), but they were interacting with the thread which is somewhat towny, but I am not going to backtrack on this read bc one of you mfers would call me out on that.
1. I did a previous post analyzing skipper and des and I missed this somehow, I really truly dislike this second reasoning for scumleaning me very much
2. also technically backtracking even though they're saying it's not a backtrack, but technically isn't a backtrack, but they're also functionally removing them from their PoE so essentially backtracking (which isn't inherently bad! especially D1!)
In terms of prio votewise for me it is Aligning > NE > DBD but I do agree with not starting claim fiesta. (Is DBD even here though?)
Just letting this marinate

End of skipper's posting D1 and then the end of charlie's posts that relate to skipper

Ok re: skippers reasoning for being suspicious of charlie

I need a sanity check here because it feels monumentally weak

You aren't wrong but I feel like I'd have to get the clown paint out if I voted out des and she was town.

Attempting a reread because the last few pages felt hella dry, will see how far I get before I run out of juice.
*acquires clown paint*
I feel like my two biggest scumleans rn are Lechen and bluedoom.

I think his attitude towards d1 was a little too much in a way where he was like over the top about it. Today, he really hasn’t done much but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt for right now.

Bluedoom d1 just kinda made a small push on me and then just died.

Also this progression


Where it’s like you’re allowed to change your mind but it sorta feels like a 180 especially considering that it involves both AS and Vizh
Confirming that skipper backtracked on charlie
Votecount 2.7: i'm flandrs now
bluedoom
(3): sunny004, Aura Guardian, skippergamez
skippergamez (3): bluedoom, Lechen, Vizh
pulsar512b (1[2-1]): des121, CrreamyKitty
NightEmerald (2): Dead by Daylight, Mekkah
Dead by Daylight (2): Lechen, HydrogenHydreigon
Aura Guardian (1): charlieum
Vizh (0):

Not Voting (2): Mekkah, a fairy, pulsar512b, NightEmerald

Hammer will be called at 8 votes.

Deadline is in 4 hours. Please don't notify me of any errors I may have made in this VC.
This deadline is actually correct, which is a pleasant surprise
But yeah I don't love these leading wagons? Of the two I would prefer Skip but I feel like his posting has trended townier since D1.

Unvote
Vote: Pulsar


This could shift but I want to keep this wagon in the conversation. Still doing my catchup.
Scumleaning skipper over bluedoom, but wants to get the vote on pulsar instead. If skipper/charlie s/s then I can't imagine pulsar being scum with them based on this
As in like, as a general trend between D1 and D2? Since there's no daytalk.

I feel like basically everyone has shifted in loudness to some degree except for the guys who aren't posting at all and I'd kind of expect it with less players to bounce off of and more posts to work with.
This is in response to a post about me saying skipper's significant decline in posting from D1 to D2 (It's actually very large) indicates to me that skipper was coached/nervous to interact with the thread

Day 3
Nothing

Day 4
Nothing

I don't necessarily think they're partnered after this but I do need a sanity check about skipper's reasoning on charlie. I suppose it's more likely but not super likely. If they are partnered, they almost definitely are not partnered with pulsar/marlyne
 
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