pls noOkay what's keeping me from saying myself as a bit so that I don't have to commit to anything
pls noOkay what's keeping me from saying myself as a bit so that I don't have to commit to anything
I dodge the dayvig and it's me so it's in characterpls no
I moved to Asia at the beginning of this yearjalmont I thought you lived in the US?
I was out yesterday & will be gone most of today but ill catch up when im at the gym~
im busy searching up NEs wisteria wallpost on mobile but i ISOed my name under your post and im confused why you're voting me when the only reason you listed was ck's d1 vote. seems kinda like a cop out. everybody else is trying to solve NE/evie so it just reads as lazyI moved to Asia at the beginning of this year
sorry buddy this vote is regrettable but I think it's a relatively decent path forward. I think NE and Evie are also probably OK I just don't want to put in the work to decide one over the other as I think both have merits and demerits
I'm here for like 30 minutes max 1 hour if anyone wants to chat otherwise yeah I won't be on at deadline except to maybe check in real fast during my break
NE, half of wis posts here read NAI to me and you never came back to finish the analysis, nor put this amount of effort on any other slots (including those that are actual voting options / have more scum equity). It just seems like you did an ISO to appear like you're posting helpful content when it doesn't actually help us solve the game, similar to what you did in our game when we were scumpartnersWIS PROGRESSION TRACKING
DAY 1
Immediate attempt to force progress, I think the biggest tell of that is "ap reaction feels disproportionate" and the notes on flandr's read on neongm i lowkey clocked out of the thread after my first post oops
ty for the birthday wishes
two hours. it was two hours into the gameIt’s about a mash on psmaf where wisp got dayvigged by her wolf partner 6 hours into the game, truely one of the moments ever.
yesAre you on PS mafia forum?
preliminary thoughts were "all of this seems NAI" (hence the clock-out) so i gave thread a second skim when i woke up
noting the NV from ch3mdah on #40, Ch3mdah is this your first NOC? just curious
surprised that celever leaned 5 mafia over 4 in #42
but...
I'm confused because only now do I realize that wis claimed ch3mdah might be the only person here who plays limbus company? She knows this isn't true considering I got her to play it a bit but maybe it's part off the voting me bit
That said vote on me is frankly NAI it's a ps bit.
I like this post personally due to agreeing with me but I think it's easily fakableseen, gotchaCelever is a forum moderator, game host, and knowledgable player. If someone else had said the same thing, I wouldn't have responded the way I did
can't lie but not really? personally i don't find it strange that he responded twice to the same post...Can you expand on your AP thoughts? Do you feel any similar energy from 108 and 109? I'm kinda finding it weird that AP felt the need to respond twice to the same post, and the second post implied he felt the need to research his flavor just to disprove my (admittedly unsubstantiated) point about it being difficult
(Subsequent posts mentally included)rip too late
anyway i did re-read AP and off-vibes i'm thinking town? his progression on cel seems legitimate and i liked #119 from him
on the other hand, #113 from flandrs makes me feel a tad woozy, mainly because
reads like "reading too much into something" at best and "grasping straws to discredit a slot" at worstI'm kinda finding it weird that AP felt the need to respond twice to the same post, and the second post implied he felt the need to research his flavor just to disprove my (admittedly unsubstantiated) point about it being difficult
instinct says these two are...
I think the entire mindmeld on flandrs' reads leans town because I don't really think scum does that unprompted, also wtf that happened at 5 am god I'm a mess
Continuing this I think "I like everyone who's posted a fair bit but that's weird" is a thought I personally have a hard time seeing mafia fake. Like obviously, it can be, but I take more stock in the former, because it's signposting that you intend to look ito things deeper.
This entire thing is mostly a collection/organization of prior thoughts which is fine but I personally am not really getting much of a read off it.i can reframe my thought if it'd better make sense for u :sob:“Mafia are in the inactives” scumtell popping off in the thread damnnn
like i'll admit i've been lazier this game than i usually am but rn my head's at
AngryPidgeon - probably just town for reasons i've stated in #146
Celever - probably just town too (i didn't mention it earlier but your posting seems genuine and hence is likely coming from a town POV)
pulsar512b - vibes hit towny here as well, #120 reads defensive of neon in a towny manner (it doesn't read partnered at all) + i like the...
I think this reaction is really good ie there's a tone of frustration here which also implies frustration in the first time this was mentioned. Frankly, mafia doesn't have anything to be frustrated over. (Large rambling rant about fake reads and mafia's attitude towards them which frankly isn't universal). It's also d1 in a smogon mafia game.to mildly defend myself im unsure how you got "so willing" fromI just don’t see why V!Wisp would be so willing to churn through LHF zero posters after her previous posting.
though it would imply that scum is in the inactives which is mildly annoying
I don't think there's anything particularly of note wrt the timing of thisfine with getting the ball rolling re: flandrs regardless
##Vote: StupidFlandrs48
I think this is nifty, this is another one of those personal read things where it's like immediately questioning ck about it feels so towny to me bc it's looping back into the intent to solve stuff, in this case trying to observe CK's thought process to see if he's actually thinking things over or just got caught in 4k. I'll be briefer w this one in the futurewell how does that change your stance on me (if it does)Ok I scumread wisp for a post that looks like she’s planning to just kill all the lowposters
Then she has flandrs at the bottom of her reads and votes him as soon as I post that
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Towny, trying to get neon to explain the chain of reasoning leading to the ap vote, more fakable than the others.interesting. how did you come to this conclusion because i do not see itLatter half of 104 could imply 3p!AP trying to steer discussion away from the potential existence of a 3p but I'm not really confident enough in that read to push it that much.
But it is at least something, and we are on D1, so I might as well vote it.
##Vote: AngryPidgeon
This is the weirdest wis post and I just ignore it because I don't know what else to do with it. I invite other people to trll me.oh i just saw the post in question
uhhh i still \disagree that it could come from 3p!AP tbh
i do agree with the sentiment that focusing on mafia is probably just better for now
I want to say NAI? I don't see anything in any particular direction but I feel like I shouldtragicWisp sniped again, get your wpm up
this does make me wonder if i should be townreading you off of mindmeld meta :think:
I like the sentiment wrt getting something started, and it aligns with the way I see wis' postingi mean i did outline my thoughts in #146 so like /shrugSo, of course, proper reasoning would be appreciated.
(Crreamy is probably the worst offender in this case, since he? just mentioned having scumpings there after a(n) ISO/rereading without citing any posts or points for said pings to be based on.)
you are right in that it is a scumlean but atp i'd rather move out of RVS stage and get something started
re: CK, i think the way he approached my slot pings town? knowing how he plays scum (sort of), i can see scum!CK straight fullsending a push on me there...
The Ck thoughts are... fine, I think the welcoming sanity checks are neater because it ties back into the aforementioned thoughts of thinking all the active people are towny and how those thoughts probably wrong.
The other two are just generically trying to force conversations which is big cool
Continues on the fairy trend, as I read this i had the mental image of the literal definition of wis helping fairy break out of a shell.i guess but then what would you propose we do nownothing flandrs has said will matter in 2 cycles, everyone's opinions will develop further based on actual events and statements that have real backing to them, it's day 1 - if anyone tries to use the d1 flandrs discussion as evidence of anything of value down the line they are trying to sell you a bridge
This continues for a while I won't quote all of them but like, I see NO reason for mafia to do this and I very rarely see mafia probe someone like this. Like I've seen them probe someone they "scumread" but this? not really
This reads as a genuine hold up and once again wis tries to look for the thought processhold up talk to me about this pairingMy deal with Flandrs is #224 and onwards he’s just unfortunately easier to read when angry so I added fuel to the initial fire with macro shit
But also the macro is giving scum largely because I think he’s partnered with Evie
is it that you scumread those two independently or is there something that has pinged you as "these two are paired"
I think after all the prying into fairy's thoughts, it's natural that wis would make this read. Frankly I don't really think this changes depending on what the read is just that one was made and shared. Personal read of wis is that wis is frustrated and this is her way of ending the particular flandrs convo with fairy because well frankly even reading that exchange annoyed me.i feel like saying that the wagon formed on flandrs was off of him doing nothing isnt a very fair assessment to makeforming a wagon on me for picking fights intentionally and trying to push the game along is better than forming a wagon on flandrs for doing nothing
i initally hopped on because i scumleaned him off of him trying to imply AP was doing smth with the double reply/reasearching flavour
that being said i am not "stuck in the mud" regarding this wagon and am open to other options as well because well, it's an early scumlean
sue me this might be town!AF
while i dislike...
Wis sees something interesting from fairy and is immediately interested in talking to her again. I think this is particularly such a hard thing to fake, I'm almost certain this is genuine interest in hearing what fairy has to say.re: DBD has he had any scumgames that could possibly prove the bolded for him, the one other game i remember playing with him he was town and wound up subbing out due to inactivity so i can agree with this read but i don't want to lean too much on my limited pmetaweirdly for m2h dbd hal i think the last 2 i like their disappearance more bc they strike me as "isnt engaging because they arent engaged" aka towny, like hal as scum is super involved. m2h really likes to townlead/be the focus of the convo/leading the convo so like, where is m2h
as for hal would you evaluate...
I'm gonna take a break here and come back to this because I don't want to analyze this rn, especially when I haven't brushed my teeth yetsorry in advance this post is gonna be super disjointed
slept on the flandrs read
relooking at his more recent posting it actually seems much more reasonable hence i am comfy to unvote for now at the very least
##Unvote
i'm still fairly confident on town!AF. i stand by my belief that scum in general (let alone her?) wouldn't post as she did earlier in defense of flandrs. did a really quick skim of lumiose to sanity check my thoughts and yeah i think it holds up (a very specific thought i had then re: AF was that she seemed non-committal, which well idt that's happening here LMAO)...
Not sure why you're basing your scumteam around a doctor claim, explain? And you think NE is town?Naw if I were a tracker I would have been voteparking Celever after the claim.
My scumteam spec is centered around Evie because of claims. If Evie is mafia I'd think it is
Evie + [Wisteria/Joey/Chemdah]
If Evie is town then someone must have targeted M2H and things get a bit murkier.
Kinda ironic considering the votes on you but if thats the world you wanna project, sureAnyway I say this because I think that fits realiti to a T wrt they know they’re not in a good thread position and are trying to ensure they live longer not with their dazzling reads but by pulling me down below them
NoDo I need to claim :eye roll:
isn't this just normal des? I have never seem a scum des game but I dont think one would ask for questions every hour if they were trying to avoid suspicious. Feel like they have more town equity than most ppl here^ I didnt like this post. I wrote it off as a certified Des moment when it happened, but like I said shes been less proactive than usual and Im not seeing the usual town Des in her posting.
in exactly 10 hoursWhen is dl?
since you mentioned one in NE/evie which one do you think is more likely to be partnered with scum!realitiI'm here for like 30 minutes max 1 hour if anyone wants to chat otherwise yeah I won't be on at deadline except to maybe check in real fast during my break
didn't you tr him##unvote
##Vote NightEmerald
I can see the argument for my vote being jumping on the wagon when it was likely to succeed (not that it is a strong argument), given that before I voted it was tied between Neon and Hal, but at the point where skipper voted there was a majority of votes on Neon and only 2 votes on hal, that absolutely cannot be characterized as jumping onto a wagon with momentum
In terms of EoD2 all I see is you guys jumping on at the last minute because that's already the way the wind was blowing. The hal wagon already had momentum by the time skipper came in, and you even tried voting for Neon first before swapping. If hal flips red and you're caught voting neon, getting caught on the CW looks terrible. If Neon flips green then there are even more question marks about people voting Neon to save hal, which intensifies suspicion of him in addition to implicating you, and it gets even worse if you still decide to kill M2H the following night (maybe that's a dumb NK from this alt scum POV but whatever I'm not here to litigate that).
Joey's post reflects how I feel about the whole skipper/Joey vs Flandrs situation but their interactions dont seem staged, so even though Flandrs argument doesn't make much sense to me I guess his town equity goes upi'll read more later. i like des' string of posts in the past couple of pages
just took a peek at the d1 votecount and i didn't realize NE was a n1 wagon. if NE flips mafia we should definitely look into the VC, but if they flip town i doubt it'll give us much insight. Personally I know I'm town and lean wisteria town too so it seems like a classic D1 Smogon Town moment.
unless his strategy is to bus his entire team, flandrs is probably not scum with NE, making the vote 6-5 so late D1 is risky if they were partners. And I doubt he starts D3 bussing Ch3mdah if they were partners after losing hal. And he's probably not partners with des. So he gets some town equity from unpairing interactions.
Yea but my reads were wrong.didn't you tr him
no clue. CK town read NE pretty strongly and scum read Evie. read of that what you will. I guess it's kind of ironic that realiti is now leading the wagon on NE but you know I cba to really look into how that read changed so I'll let someone smarter than me connect the dotssince you mentioned one in NE/evie which one do you think is more likely to be partnered with scum!realiti