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apricity said:
I think this is a good path to continue down.

What happened to Broil?

I want to hear what Cel says
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i think honestly joey's EOD1 looks better on review (see my comments at SOD2 about my assumptions on what my post about voting limitations actually meaningfully said) and i think their reasons for voting pulsar in hindsight don't read as scum trying to justify being the final nail in a doctor's coffin at least to me
 
joey said:
They can, I was listing out separate possibilities and by "other" I meant whichever kill wasn't targeted at chickening
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I see. I mean, you’re missing a possibility regardless. Because JK can jail killer or target. Town hooker can hook killer. And maf could have shot WW. So that’s four possibilities.
 
apricity said:
I see. I mean, you’re missing a possibility regardless. Because JK can jail killer or target. Town hooker can hook killer. And maf could have shot WW. So that’s four possibilities.
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You're right, in my head Jailkeeper was just protection from other actions and not a roleblock but it's both
 
a fairy said:
right but you do realize your behavior this whole game has been strange and thats why people have suspicion on you right? you seem to be acting like you are in the clear despite a number of folks being suspicious of you
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i realize in hindsight that that way of pinpointing the people i wanted to focus on was odd, but i don't think i'm acting like i'm in the clear
 
NightEmerald said:
thechickening died.
Dear thechickening. You are a Vanilla Townie.
Your weapons are your voice and your vote. You have no night actions.
You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated.

The deadlines have been changed to 21:00, or 9 PM (Eastern).
Day 2 ends at 21:00 Eastern, 10/14, or 45 hours from this post.
Day 2 begins now.
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Hey NightEmerald, thanks for hosting this game.

What do results look like in this game? Are people told if their actions failed, are people not told anything if their actions succeed, are they told why (does JK/hooker have flavor), are they told if they’re targeted
 
liquidrelief said:
ok but if someone votes first in day one, they shouldnt call out the person who votes them
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I didn't call you out, I asked for your logic, I would do the same no matter who you voted there

But yes generally its in towns favour to start voting and getting the game going - otherwise you can just no vote every phase and auto lose you can only kill mafia by voting
 
Tommy said:
No it was a pretty good kill for a werewolf so would indicate they are experienced in my head, or just they are playing with town (as they should be) and trying not to cross kill with mafia
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Hey Tommy I think it’s a good idea not to go WW hunting until we see hostile kills do you think :)
 
NightEmerald said:
SETUP:
15 players:
Mafia Goon, Mafia Role Cop, Mafia Pretty Lady,Bulletproof Werewolf JOAT, Cop, 2x Doctor, Pretty Lady, Jailkeeper, 6x Vanilla Townie

Town Roles

Vanilla Town

Dear _. You are a Vanilla Townie.
Your weapons are your voice and your vote. You have no night actions.
You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated.


Cop

Dear _. You are a Town Cop.

Each night, you may inspect one player. If successful, you will be told if they are MAFIA or NOT MAFIA.
You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated.


Jailkeeper

Dear _. You are a Town Jailkeeper.

Each night, you may jail one player. If successful, they will be protected from kills, and their actions will fail.
You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated.


Doctor

Dear _. You are a Town Doctor.

Each night, you may protect one player. If successful, they will be protected from kills.
You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated.


Pretty Lady

Dear _. You are a Town Pretty Lady.

Each night, you may block one player. If successful, their actions will fail. However, If you target the Werewolf, they will not be blocked and their kill will be redirected to you.
You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated.




Mafia Roles

Mafia Goon

Dear _. You are a Mafia Goon.
You have a factional kill. Each night, you or your partners may attempt to kill another player.

You win when you reach parity with the town, and all other threats are eliminated.


Mafia Pretty Lady

Dear _. You are a Mafia Pretty Lady.
You have a factional kill. Each night, you or your partners may attempt to kill another player.
Each night, you may block one player. If successful, their actions will fail. However, If you target the Werewolf, they will not be blocked and their kill will be redirected to you.
You may use both actions at the same time.

You win when you reach parity with the town, and all other threats are eliminated.


Mafia Rolecop

Dear _. You are a Mafia Rolecop.

You have a factional kill. Each night, you or your partners may attempt to kill another player.
Additionally, each night, you may inspect one player. If successful, you will recieve their role name, but not their alignment.
You may use both actions at the same time.

You win when you reach parity with the town, and all other threats are eliminated.




Werewolf Roles

Bulletproof Werewolf JOAT

Dear _. You are a Bulletproof Werewolf JOAT.

You are bulletproof. You cannot be killed at night.
You have a factional kill. Each night, you may attempt to kill another player.
Additionally, each night, you may choose to use one of the following actions:
  • Once per game, you may block a player at night. Their actions will fail.
  • Once per game, you may choose to become strong. For that night, your kill cannot fail.
You may use the kill in conjunction with one ability from your JOAT

You win when you reach parity with the town, and all other threats are eliminated.

  • Follow all of Smogon's global rules
  • No modifying posts in any way after you have hit the post button. This includes:
    • No deleting posts. Staff can see deleted posts even after they're deleted.
    • No editing posts. Staff can see posts' editing history.
      • If you check a post you've made and realise you made an error that you want to amend, you should quote your post and clarify in a new post. Sometimes people use EBWOP (edit by way of post) at the start of the follow-up post to explain what they're doing.
  • No screenshotting. Anything.
  • No outside communication. This means that you cannot discuss anything to do with the game with anyone at all, unless via a communication channel provided by the host. These communication channels will almost always be the game thread, a discord link for e.g. mafia's chat, or a forum conversation/PM. If you have a role that is permitted some degree of outside communication, such as being a mafia, mason, or neighbour, the host will invite everyone you are able to talk to to your discord server or forum PM; you are not permitted to invite somebody to an outside communication channel yourself.
  • You are expected to play to your win condition. We are not interested in punishing well-intentioned but inept or sub-optimal play. However, we will punish severe and indefensible cases of game throwing. Mafia is a team sport, and game throwing ruins it for your team.
  • You are expected to meet minimum activity and/or contribution requirements for any games you sign up for. This is up to both host and staff discretion, as providing quantitative minimum activity expectations means people can sometimes play right up to the line and stop there. You can sense if your contributions are less than those of the rest of your team by yourself, and if they are, step it up.
    • Substitutions are not ideal for game health, but they are significantly better than an inactive slot. If you find that you are busier than you thought you would be, ask the host to sub out. Our NOC games consistently have subs waiting to play, and our community is tightknit enough that someone can usually be convinced to sub in if needs must. When considering whether or not to sub out, think to yourself "with the extent that I'm keeping up with the game, would it be fair to the other members of my team for me to be the tiebreaker in LYLO?". If the answer is no, and you realise that you have no capacity to catch up to a satisfactory extent, sub out.
  • Baiting anyone into breaking any game or forum rules will be punished as severely as if you had broken the rule yourself. (e.g. telling someone to delete their post).
  • Pretending to break any game or forum rules will be punished as severely as if you had broken the rule yourself. (e.g. pretending to copy/paste a fake Role PM in a game where copy/pasting your real Role PM is banned).
The second category below are default rules. Hosts are permitted to contradict these rules in their own NOC mafia game's rules and, if they do, their version of the rule is used for the game. However, if this isn't the case, then these default rules are applied:
  • No copy/pasting private communication. This includes host communication such as your role PM, scumchat messages, or neighbour/mason messages, among others.
    • Paraphrasing is permitted, but simply changing one word in a paste is not paraphrasing. The extent should be describing your action in your own words, e.g. "I am a roleblocker on odd nights", or "on odd nights I can target someone and prevent them from using their actions".
      • If in doubt about what your role is, ask your host up-front in preparation for if you later have to claim. There are a lot of mafia roles, and you're not expected to know all of them. Some flavour-heavy games don't include the traditional name of your role (e.g. roleblocker) anywhere in your PM, but hosts are expected to provide you with a claimable name or blurb upon request using universal terminology.
  • No heavy-handed roleplay, particularly if it gets in the way of usual mafia gameplay (e.g. scumhunting) or irritates other players.

  • Tied votes (two players having the same number of votes when the day ends) will be resolved using the plurality system. This is based on the following rules, with the following priority. The person at risk of elimination will be named on votecounts to minimize confusion. Please don't hesitate to ask for clarification.
    • If a tie occurs due to a player losing votes, the last player to lose votes will be eliminated.
    • If a tie occurs due to a player gaining votes, the player who has had that number of votes longest will be eliminated.
    • Note that a change of vote counts as first unvoting the first person, then voting the second.
Rule 1:
Player A is at 3 votes, Player B is at 4 votes, and Player C is at 5 votes.
One person unvotes Player C.
Player A is at 3 votes, Player B is at 4 votes, and Player C is at 4 votes. Player C will be eliminated.
One more person unvotes Player C.
Another person unvotes Player B.
Player A is at 3 votes, Player B is at 3 votes, and Player C is at 3 votes. Player B will be eliminated.

Rule 2:
Player A is at 3 votes, Player B is at 4 votes, and Player C is at 5 votes.
One person votes Player B.
Player A is at 3 votes, Player B is at 5 votes, and Player C is at 5 votes. Player C will be eliminated.
Two people vote player A.
Player A is at 5 votes, Player B is at 5 votes, and Player C is at 5 votes. Player C will be eliminated.

Rule Priority:
Player A is at 3 votes, Player B is at 4 votes, and Player C is at 5 votes.
One person unvotes Player C.
Player A is at 3 votes, Player B is at 4 votes, and Player C is at 4 votes. Player C will be eliminated.
One person votes Player A.
Player A is at 4 votes, Player B is at 4 votes, and Player C is at 4 votes. Player C will be eliminated.

Priority:
The game will use the following resolution priority:
  1. Jailkeeper
  2. Werewolf Roleblock
  3. Mafia Pretty Lady
  4. Pretty Lady
  5. Doctor
  6. Mafia Rolecop
  7. Cop
  8. Werewolf Kill
  9. Mafia Kill

This was not noted in the signup post, however please use the following format when voting to make tracking votes easier:

##Vote: [player]
Ex:
##Vote: NightEmerald

##Vote: No Vote
##Vote: Unvote

Deadlines will be at 12 AM EDT, and will be updated in the top post. There will be a 24 hour confirmation period at gamestart, followed by 48h/24h cycles of days and nights respectively.

Day 1 Start
VC 1.1

Currently, it is Night 1.

Current Deadline: 00:00:00 October 13

Players:
1: a fairy
2: ItsScaryCary
3: Tommy
4: genisu
5: thechickening
6: AirC
7: Evie
8: Celever
9: phoopes
10: liquidrelief
11: Dead by Daylight
12: pulsar512b - Voted Day 1, Town Doctor
13: joey
14: apricity
15: Ehmcee

Subs:
1: realiti
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Hi NE, sorry, I would love updated playerlists on page 1 it’s something that really helps me out
 
Tommy said:
I didn't call you out, I asked for your logic, I would do the same no matter who you voted there

But yes generally its in towns favour to start voting and getting the game going - otherwise you can just no vote every phase and auto lose you can only kill mafia by voting
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ok what was your logic in killing someone who turned out to be a doctor
 
I honestly think we need to start lynching off people who can’t be in LYLO

I have scumreads but I really think we might need to blast into inactives because otherwise this game is a little unplayable

Is there appetite for this?
 
a fairy said:
Tommy

i understand your pov with regards to not showing up to deadline. i get that not every euro or east of euro is going to be able to meet the deadlines. that's fine. i even do understand placing on pulsar for pressure/spirit vote. it's just an incredibly frustrating position to be in that the vote was functionally locked over an hour before deadline off of a non-ingame reason wagon reason. i think we really do need to talk to people and set better expectations about participation in-game. maybe start handing out infractions or something for joining a game then not participating in it.

but i think you can also understand that we just lost a doc because we voted a typical afk slot in order to narrow the amount of the game that's spent pulling teeth with people who don't respect the game and the people playing it. and you are still saying "i'm checked out" "gg go next" "this game is over". with all due respect the two town that just died combined for barely over a page of posts. im not gonna speculate why chickening was the target, idfk. we still have some afks that i hope get more active but like, man, not super thrilled that you saw what just happened and doubled down on "actually this game isn't worth playing"
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Can we do actual smogon infractinos that would be big?>

And yeah like I get your frustration at the end of the day we are both generally frustrated over a non game related thing making the game suck

We didn't lose a doc because we voted an afk slot though, we lost a doctor because she wasn't bothered to claim even though she knew she was dying

her wagon was built by being online, she knew she was under pressure, and even still she was active and deadline and she could've claimed and cfded with you and joey - but she chose not to and die and let town get fucked, this is a separate frustration to the afk

I was already checked out last cycle and you liked my post so I assume you agreed, my last game I spent the whole time fighting people to post and pulled through with a alst minute win despite the afk town doing their best to hurt the game as much as possible beyond not wanting to play, they, so I just said yesterday ok if people are active I will play, I am not burning myself out in a game that ultimately is unpalyable, but if people do I will too

So idt its that bad anyways for me to keep up that narrative after already me annoyed at an unplayable game and seeing a player who should've known better by now throw by not claiming, its just me continuing the narrative I made clear and maybe I am being toxic but I would just rather not be the guy shouting into a void and trying to make people not gamethrow all the time every time I play so I just don't want to do it now

If people are active my three choices are: shout at them hoping they will be active, let them be inactive and play anyways knowing its impossible, or not get too invested so I just chose the third off the back of doing the first last time round and being unwilling to waste my time with the second

So yeah sorry again I am aware I am a lot more negative than I usually am I just am a bit emotionally upset and I know I am not going to be able to hold myself in check as well as last game and previous other ones if I do get invested with all the afkness becaus I am so far beyond fed up with it
 
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