Open Setup Classic Mafia - Game Thread

[Tommy]

if 2 townies die to turn it into 1-2-1, isn't it the townie kingmaking rather than wolf being overrun

It’s like three way kingmake weirdness anyone can in theory win that

 

[joey]

It’s like three way kingmake weirdness anyone can in theory win that

how would town win?

 

[Tommy]

how would town win?

Luck it’s literally negotiation simulator at that point, one of the people have to kingmake there’s no optimal wincon for any team

 

[Tommy]

How literally would be werewolf or mafia kingmaking for town, same way either of those guys win is getting someone to kingmake for them

 

[apricity]

You win when you reach parity with the town, and all other threats are eliminated.

Werewolf is force to side with town because of the reading of the mafia win condition

Which means that if we go into night 3-2-1, (T-M-W), werewolf is forced to shoot maf because if they shoot town, we start the day 1-2-1 and maf wins because they can insta-vote WW

 

[a fairy]

gotcha

 

[joey]

Luck it’s literally negotiation simulator at that point, one of the people have to kingmake there’s no optimal wincon for any team

if mafia join town to vote werewolf, it's 1-2 and mafia kills the townie and wins
if werewolf joins town to vote mafia, it's 1-1-1 and the werewolf kills the mafia and wins

am I wrong?

 

[Tommy]

also yeah I thought about this too

it is, quite unbelievably, probably optimal for Evie to doc me/a fairy depending on who survives

while knowing we're mafia

which is very funny I'm not sure whether she'll go for it or not haha

Nah because if you die then it’s better for us because we gain the majority again and just have to vote correct on either werewolf or mafia next day to eliminate a kill tomorrow

So the pressure is basically on you guys more, we are more flexible to play a round the outcomes

 

[apricity]

I really think this post is right:

Post in thread 'Open Setup Classic Mafia - Game Thread'

Thursday at 9:52 AM

Sorry I don't know why I'm pinging people in the POE about voting in the POE

phoopes Evie can y'all help me out

So listen. If we vote cel or fairy today, that takes out a maf. Both WW and Maf will shoot town, that'll take us down to 4-2-1, we vote out the other target, both shoot town again, that's 2-1-1

I actually think we have a risk-free try at the group of 5 today.

If we hit maf, then it's the same situation as above but in the 2-1-1 lylo we know the member of mafia

If we hit WW, then we guarantee a 4-1 lylo (because then it 6-3, 5-2, 4-1), which is great.

If we hit...

• apricity

Evie phoopes lmk what y'all think

realiti Tommy joey if you three want to townside i think we vote within you three + scarycary+airc today

 

[joey]

I guess who is killed in either of those scenarios are irrelevant since werewolf/mafia win in those numbers anyways

 

[Tommy]

mafia can always say ww's name tmrw? there are 3 maf, even if we vote one out and then the other dies at night there's a third posting tmrw

This is why it’s optimal for werewolf to shoot one of you guys tonight

 

[apricity]

1-2-1 is NOT A KINGMAKE IT IS A MAFIA WIN

 

[apricity]

meaning that WW CANNOT allow us to go to 1-2-1 which means WW MUST SIDE WITH TOWN when entering night at 3-2-1

which is the trick that gives us a free lynch today in the pOE

 

[Tommy]

mafia can always say ww's name tmrw? there are 3 maf, even if we vote one out and then the other dies at night there's a third posting tmrw

They would have to reveal, mafia wincon rn is to get your third to final day (almost guaranteed) unrevealed, rn mafia is esssntially guaranteed an f3 with no clears but it’s up to you guys if you want to take jr

 

[joey]

I see you hal

 

[joey]

Celever out of curiosity who did you shoot last night

 

[Tommy]

if mafia join town to vote werewolf, it's 1-2 and mafia kills the townie and wins
if werewolf joins town to vote mafia, it's 1-1-1 and the werewolf kills the mafia and wins

am I wrong?

Town can no vote technically and if werewolf kills mafia, then town can’t vote werewolf

 

[joey]

Town can no vote technically and if werewolf kills mafia, then town can’t vote werewolf

oh yeah werewolf + town is only 2 votes so it's no vote, but then the next day is the 1-1-1 kingmake scenario right

 

[apricity]

Town can no vote technically and if werewolf kills mafia, then town can’t vote werewolf

1-2-1 is a maf win because of tiebreak rules -- they can vote ww tgt

 

[Tommy]

I really think this post is right:

Post in thread 'Open Setup Classic Mafia - Game Thread'

Thursday at 9:52 AM

Sorry I don't know why I'm pinging people in the POE about voting in the POE

phoopes Evie can y'all help me out

So listen. If we vote cel or fairy today, that takes out a maf. Both WW and Maf will shoot town, that'll take us down to 4-2-1, we vote out the other target, both shoot town again, that's 2-1-1

I actually think we have a risk-free try at the group of 5 today.

If we hit maf, then it's the same situation as above but in the 2-1-1 lylo we know the member of mafia

If we hit WW, then we guarantee a 4-1 lylo (because then it 6-3, 5-2, 4-1), which is great.

If we hit...

• apricity

Evie phoopes lmk what y'all think

realiti Tommy joey if you three want to townside i think we vote within you three + scarycary+airc today

I’m very obviously spewed town or at least not mafia at this point I think

That being said, I think we can push this decision till tomorrow because werewolf is essentially forced to shoot mafia tonight if we vote mafia today, or else mafia reveals them tomorrow

The strategy ends up the same it just delays the decision till we have more info

 

[joey]

1-2-1 is a maf win because of tiebreak rules -- they can vote ww tgt

oh this is so true actually I totally forgot the tiebreaker rules

creates a very weird scenario where whoever votes first is improtant

 

[Tommy]

1-2-1 is NOT A KINGMAKE IT IS A MAFIA WIN

It’s not, how is it?

 

[apricity]

I’m very obviously spewed town or at least not mafia at this point I think

That being said, I think we can push this decision till tomorrow because werewolf is essentially forced to shoot mafia tonight if we vote mafia today, or else mafia reveals them tomorrow

The strategy ends up the same it just delays the decision till we have more info

I'd rather have all three town PR alive than just one. Nobody's shooting into the 5-person POE

 

[Tommy]

Tie break rules mean the town members just instant vote the no vote option while mafia and werewolf fight

 

[apricity]

It’s not, how is it?

the two mafia insta-vote the WW, which is game because of tiebreak rules