You haven't actually been a wall either. You just put toxic substances in your mind so that it deluded you into believing so. One of my friends believed he solved the Collatz conjecture when he was high. Of course, it was just a retarded meaningless dream, but such is the way with drugs.
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You haven't actually been a wall either. You just put toxic substances in your mind so that it deluded you into believing so. One of my friends believed he solved the Collatz conjecture when he was high. Of course, it was just a retarded meaningless dream, but such is the way with drugs.
I smoke weed fairly frequently, but never during the school week or when I have homework/projects to do on the weekends. This past summer my cousins and I must have smoked several ounces, most of which was free from our 'family connection'. Some of my bandmates and me like to smoke a J before jamming or when we're writing stuff, it's relaxing and helps tune us into only the music..
But other than weed, the only thing I've ever done was mushrooms and it was fucked up. My godsiblings whom are all about 3 years older than me were all doing it and they gave some to me. It hit me and my other cousin pretty hard, we just went and sat down after we were tripping while eating a burger (it was all enhanced and stuff, like I was watching a movie about how the burger goes into the mouth and gets chewed, etc.) and my sister was watching Avatar or some shit, and we were just sitting there all fucked up, wide-eyed and confused watching some shit about some asian kid who uses a big mammoth thing to help him fight the fire guys. That's honestly all I remember. I haven't done mushrooms again since.
But other than weed, the only thing I've ever done was mushrooms and it was fucked up. My godsiblings whom are all about 3 years older than me were all doing it and they gave some to me. It hit me and my other cousin pretty hard, we just went and sat down after we were tripping while eating a burger (it was all enhanced and stuff, like I was watching a movie about how the burger goes into the mouth and gets chewed, etc.) and my sister was watching Avatar or some shit, and we were just sitting there all fucked up, wide-eyed and confused watching some shit about some asian kid who uses a big mammoth thing to help him fight the fire guys. That's honestly all I remember. I haven't done mushrooms again since.
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please stop bashing on drug users until you have experienced it for yourself. yes, there are certain drugs that are extremely dangerous and usually ruin your life but there are just as many that are harmless and have extremely enjoyable highs.
also, did you know that francis crick discovered the double helix while experimenting with LSD? what about Dock Ellis throwing a no hitter in june of 1970 while flying higher than a kite on LSD? or Freud's, he was a known cocaine addict, theory on psychoanalysis (which does not have many merits but did spawn an entire branch of medicine)
seriously man, you cant just sit there and say drugs are bad blah blah blah ive never tried them but i know they are bad without actually experiencing it yourself
as of now i only drink on occasion and smoke ganja even less. back when i was in high school i smoked a little less than once a week and rarely drank. i have tried mushrooms a few times and it was fucking amazing. i cant imagine how much better a laser show would be on acid. i kind of want to try ecstasy sometime but have heard a lot of horror stories so i have not really made any effort to procure some.
please stop bashing on drug users until you have experienced it for yourself. yes, there are certain drugs that are extremely dangerous and usually ruin your life but there are just as many that are harmless and have extremely enjoyable highs.
also, did you know that francis crick discovered the double helix while experimenting with LSD? what about Dock Ellis throwing a no hitter in june of 1970 while flying higher than a kite on LSD? or Freud's, he was a known cocaine addict, theory on psychoanalysis (which does not have many merits but did spawn an entire branch of medicine)
seriously man, you cant just sit there and say drugs are bad blah blah blah ive never tried them but i know they are bad without actually experiencing it yourself
as of now i only drink on occasion and smoke ganja even less. back when i was in high school i smoked a little less than once a week and rarely drank. i have tried mushrooms a few times and it was fucking amazing. i cant imagine how much better a laser show would be on acid. i kind of want to try ecstasy sometime but have heard a lot of horror stories so i have not really made any effort to procure some.
Yeah; I miss the nights of sitting listening to mogwai smoking ridiculous quantities of pot and finding new philosophical angles that were a) shit and b) instantly forgotten.
And, no, I'm not immortal. I know many people who've hit drugs far harder than I have - I was always pretty moderate. Sure, I used to smoke a hell of a lot of pot, and I did pick up a valium habit, but neither of those things are major problems. They've not done me any lasting damage, psychologically or physiologically; in fact both medicinal and recreational drugs have got me through a lot of emotional trauma and I've had a fucking good time on them over the years.
Wyrza, I wasn't trying to have a go at you, but I do find your dogmatic moralisation of drug-taking a little tedious; my body, my choice. It doesn't mean I'm stupid, or you're better than I am.. just that we have different ways of treating our bodies.
And, no, I'm not immortal. I know many people who've hit drugs far harder than I have - I was always pretty moderate. Sure, I used to smoke a hell of a lot of pot, and I did pick up a valium habit, but neither of those things are major problems. They've not done me any lasting damage, psychologically or physiologically; in fact both medicinal and recreational drugs have got me through a lot of emotional trauma and I've had a fucking good time on them over the years.
Wyrza, I wasn't trying to have a go at you, but I do find your dogmatic moralisation of drug-taking a little tedious; my body, my choice. It doesn't mean I'm stupid, or you're better than I am.. just that we have different ways of treating our bodies.
A huge number of recreational drugs aren't toxic. Try actually killing yourself or causing permanent damage with hallucinogens, for example. And if you want to say that any drug-induced experiences are retarded and meaningless, then think about all the time you play sports, or anytime you get a rush of adrenaline, a drug, which changes the way you think or behave. Are those experiences retarded and meaningless? Your feelings all are essentially just chemicals floating around, so do they become retarded and meaningless? Don't try to make the distinction that there's a real difference between drugs your body creates and drugs your body doesn't, because that's essentially a meaningless distinction.
I know things like weed aren't exactly dangerous (although of course lots of other ones are). I know tons of scientists, musicians, and other high-functioning creative people used drugs. I still think it's a bad idea, for the reasons I outlined before. Everyone can make their own decisions, I just hope they aren't ones you'll regret later.
So far I've done weed around 8 times out of curiosity, basically trying different things while high each time. It was fun, and I don't mind doing it every 2 months or so.
I drink beer, occasionally, but I have never really gotten drunk. I like the taste, and whenever I encounter a new beer I'll have a glass. One day I'll get drunk, I don't really care when.
I drink beer, occasionally, but I have never really gotten drunk. I like the taste, and whenever I encounter a new beer I'll have a glass. One day I'll get drunk, I don't really care when.
The first time I got drunk was when I was 17. Some friends and I rented a hotel room outside of San Francisco and we listened to music and played games and laughed and it was a great time. Of course, I drank way too much (I had six shots in 15 minutes, which I think is quite a sum for your first time drinking) and felt like shit the next day. Since then I have drank on multiple occasions each year, though I don't go out of my way to acquire alcohol or look for parties or anything.
I have smoked weed one time. Last year in the dorms I was pretty damn drunk and some of my friends were passing around joints so I figured why not. To this day I have no idea what it feels like to be high, however, as one of my friends almost died from alcohol poisoning a few minutes later and that was somewhat of a buzz kill.
As far as my opinions of drug users go, I feel that people should generally be able to take whatever they want. Marijuana in particular is laughably harmless (cigarettes are certainly worse), and I am a strong proponent of its legalization. In fact, the only drugs I am strongly against (and can think of atm) are Meth, Crack, and Heroin. Meth has a reputation for being one of the most addictive drugs out there and the fact that it is often home made by people who don't know what the fuck they're doing isn't very encouraging. Crack and Heroin are also extremely addictive; Heroin in particular is something I dislike on a very personal level because my cousin got hep c while taking it years back and it has totally fucked up her life and made it a total miracle that her daughter is turning out ok. So while in general my philosophy towards drugs is pretty lax, there is absolutely no way I would ever try any of those (and I would encourage smogonites to stay away from them as well!).
I have smoked weed one time. Last year in the dorms I was pretty damn drunk and some of my friends were passing around joints so I figured why not. To this day I have no idea what it feels like to be high, however, as one of my friends almost died from alcohol poisoning a few minutes later and that was somewhat of a buzz kill.
As far as my opinions of drug users go, I feel that people should generally be able to take whatever they want. Marijuana in particular is laughably harmless (cigarettes are certainly worse), and I am a strong proponent of its legalization. In fact, the only drugs I am strongly against (and can think of atm) are Meth, Crack, and Heroin. Meth has a reputation for being one of the most addictive drugs out there and the fact that it is often home made by people who don't know what the fuck they're doing isn't very encouraging. Crack and Heroin are also extremely addictive; Heroin in particular is something I dislike on a very personal level because my cousin got hep c while taking it years back and it has totally fucked up her life and made it a total miracle that her daughter is turning out ok. So while in general my philosophy towards drugs is pretty lax, there is absolutely no way I would ever try any of those (and I would encourage smogonites to stay away from them as well!).
Although I'm totally pro-legalization on marijuana, I've never smoked. I don't drink and never plan to due to some family experiences I'd rather forget.
Then I wouldn't say something like "you haven't lived until..." which makes it sound like you're encouraging drug use. It's fine if you look down on people telling others how to live their life, but don't do the same.
I don't really like it, once i smoked weed and it was awful, it wasn't pleasant at all, probably a "numb" effect, but after it nothing i remember to go "oh that was awesome".
I don't see the point either, and i don't think you learn anything from it, it's not a "normal" thing to do either at any age (it's your choice though, if you want to do it and how much), at best you get funny stories to tell your friends or strangers...
Now about alcohol i have abused it sometimes, well mostly when i was 17, it was not the best memory, but i remember to play volleyball drunk with two girls and a guy that were drunk as well. It was so fun!
I don't really drink that much anymore, in fact, i also quited smoking because it was just a bad habit without any sense at all.
I don't see the point either, and i don't think you learn anything from it, it's not a "normal" thing to do either at any age (it's your choice though, if you want to do it and how much), at best you get funny stories to tell your friends or strangers...
Now about alcohol i have abused it sometimes, well mostly when i was 17, it was not the best memory, but i remember to play volleyball drunk with two girls and a guy that were drunk as well. It was so fun!
I don't really drink that much anymore, in fact, i also quited smoking because it was just a bad habit without any sense at all.
I smoked weed for the first time during the summer of 7th grade, I think I was like 14 or something. At first I didn't really get high, probably because I was too excited which is the case for most people. The next time after that, I smoked and had the most enlightening experience of my life with my 3 best friends up in a beautiful isolated spot in the woods by a river. My ego completely died, and me and my friends broke out laughing for absolutely no reason for like an hour straight. We were easily able to converse on thoughts about life and deep concepts, and went back to my house and had the most intense jam session ever. After that, I started smoking almost every day and selling weed, which has made me a shitton of cash, and I still sell to this day. When I was 15 I tried mushrooms that me and 2 friends bought from this random dude. We each had an 1/8th to ourselves, and it was mind bending and absolutely incredible. Soon after I became enchanted with psychedelic culture and drugs, and began trying every single drug that had psychedelic effects. I started with morning glory seeds (LSA), DXM (cough medicine), Dramamine, or whatever else was legal and easy to get my hands on. These were all nice, especially morning glory seeds, but I needed the real thing. My friend told me about this chemist that synthesized DMT and LSD, so I hopped on that ASAP. When I was 16 me and my 3 friends that I first got high with purchased a 10-strip of high powered blotters, and proceeded to take around 2 and a half tabs each. The sheer incredulousness of infinity and the universe hit me after about 30 minutes, physical objects started to lose definition, trees would breathe, and the moon was absolutely amazing. Incredible beams of light connected every star in the sky and spiraled down into one ever-expansive point. I then tried DMT in an apartment, which of course laid me OUT. I was soaring through the same everexpansive universe, except viewing my body through a 3rd person view. After this, I decided I NEEDED to get connected with this chemist. I did, and started to buy ingredients for him to synthesize offline. I then tried mescaline, muscimol(amanita mushrooms), 2C-I and some other shit like salvia. I had him extract the drugs from plant material like Peruvian Torch and San Pedro cactus, and the wonderful amanita mushrooms. Also on a side note, less significant drugs i've experimented with are Ecstasy, Oxycodone, Hydrocodone, Xanax, Morphine, Cyclobenzopine, Ambien(took like 3 10mg pills and stayed awake, crazy trip), and some others. I'll probably update this post with details of my trips if anyone wants, I've posted trip reports on www.erowid.org before, I'm just exhausted right now.
Oh, i've also tried Datura, which consisted of me not knowing what the fuck was going on at all, sitting in an abondoned factory smoking illusionary cigarettes, talking to conjured people, walking through limbo, etc.
Oh, i've also tried Datura, which consisted of me not knowing what the fuck was going on at all, sitting in an abondoned factory smoking illusionary cigarettes, talking to conjured people, walking through limbo, etc.
Thank fuck I didn't have to argue with Wyzra, I kept hoping other people would put him in his place because he's like a slightly smarter male version of Lexite.
I think that Marijuana should be legal and that ecstasy should be legalized too. LSD sounds like it isn't so bad but everything else: Ketamine, Heroin, Codeine, Crack Cocaine and Crystal Meth are all completely fucked and traffickers penalties should be increased.
I haven't tried those drugs that I think are bad I've only seen their long term effects. Since when have you heard of Marijuana or Ecstasy ruining someones life?
I agree with Akuchi when she talks about drugs altering the realm of perception. Once you've done drugs you can have an entirely new perspective on something. It's interesting and amazing, when I'm drunk I'm a lot more empathetic towards other people and I'm out of my shell, loud and accessable.
Drugs not hugs.
I think that Marijuana should be legal and that ecstasy should be legalized too. LSD sounds like it isn't so bad but everything else: Ketamine, Heroin, Codeine, Crack Cocaine and Crystal Meth are all completely fucked and traffickers penalties should be increased.
I haven't tried those drugs that I think are bad I've only seen their long term effects. Since when have you heard of Marijuana or Ecstasy ruining someones life?
I agree with Akuchi when she talks about drugs altering the realm of perception. Once you've done drugs you can have an entirely new perspective on something. It's interesting and amazing, when I'm drunk I'm a lot more empathetic towards other people and I'm out of my shell, loud and accessable.
Drugs not hugs.
The only problem I see with drugs "altering the realm of perception" is that it's not you, it's artificial.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think you guys are stupid or anything for doing them. (Yet I do disagree with your choices) I just don't see much good out of them.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think you guys are stupid or anything for doing them. (Yet I do disagree with your choices) I just don't see much good out of them.
That is very true thetorsoboy, however it becomes extremely hard to alter your realm of perception with the influence of society and media, and even with daily meditation the prescense of the "veil" gets stronger every day as we as a race slowly deteriorate our planet and minds. Most of the drugs that alter your realm of perception are natural, and are physically harmless. The only real reason drugs like LSD and Shrooms are illegal in my opinion is that they give people too much freedom to think for themselves, and the government would hate for us to find something out that they can't.
You are right about the natural drugs, I agree with that.
But, yeah. I've never really been inclined to do anything like this. I mean, everyone around me does this (Either drugs like pot, cigarettes, etc.) I just never really felt like it.
But, yeah. I've never really been inclined to do anything like this. I mean, everyone around me does this (Either drugs like pot, cigarettes, etc.) I just never really felt like it.
One of the problems i have with drugs is the crime that comes out of it, coming from a country that has one of the biggest drug market (Mex) i have seen the violence and shit they are causing in the north. It's just out of control.
I know that seems out of place on this thread, but i think one of the solutions would be actually to legalize some drugs, that could finish some of their business. But i also have doubts, since their major income comes from cocaine and similar drugs, and also getting them into the USA.
I've already kind of gotten over drugs, but my burst was somewhat odd.
Last spring semester, I did 2-CE right off the bat. I hadn't even smoked cigarettes, let alone weed, and dove right into hallucinogens. I actually entered the deep dark abyss and lost my individuality, so that scared me a lot, but for some reason, I was still interested.
A few weeks later, after getting drunk with a few guy friends, they like decided to do 2C-T2, another similar drug to 2-CE, which is slightly more visual and less other feelings. Due to time restraints, we actually railed it, which if I weren't drunk, it probably would have been completely miserable. I threw up that time, but I enjoyed the trip a lot more, especially since we had music blasting that night and somehow trance seems to make drugs feel the greatest.
It was only then that I smoked pot, but I didn't quite like it. It was mediocre at best, possibly because I had already been spoiled by the vibrant visuals accompanied by hallucinogens, especially since I have particularly low tolerance, allowing me to easily achieve synesthesia. This is pretty great, especially since I was raised with a strong musical upbringing, so to see colours associated with music and even complete scenes was spectacular.
It was only then that I did acid, twice. It was amazing both times and exceptionally euphoric. It is by far one of the most terrific experiences I've had in my life, but it seemed to drain me of energy for a long time, and my head would take weeks to recover fully. It's strange, because although I'm not supposed to have such aftereffects, they seem to linger for me, especially particular mental images.
Last semester I smoked pot about ten times, mainly because I didn't feel I had the time to do anything else, especially since acid pretty much takes up the entire weekend, and sophomore year was beginning to make things a lot more difficult. I kind of learned to appreciate some aspects of getting high, but I still could not see how anyone could find it to be something to do very often. But since, I've decided to completely stop smoking and do drugs, mainly for very personal reasons.
I may do acid once more since one of my girl friends wants to do it with me, but chances are somewhat low. I mean, drugs are kind of fun, but I really don't think people should view it as something spiritual and enlightening, because seriously? You're on fucking drugs. <___<
Last spring semester, I did 2-CE right off the bat. I hadn't even smoked cigarettes, let alone weed, and dove right into hallucinogens. I actually entered the deep dark abyss and lost my individuality, so that scared me a lot, but for some reason, I was still interested.
A few weeks later, after getting drunk with a few guy friends, they like decided to do 2C-T2, another similar drug to 2-CE, which is slightly more visual and less other feelings. Due to time restraints, we actually railed it, which if I weren't drunk, it probably would have been completely miserable. I threw up that time, but I enjoyed the trip a lot more, especially since we had music blasting that night and somehow trance seems to make drugs feel the greatest.
It was only then that I smoked pot, but I didn't quite like it. It was mediocre at best, possibly because I had already been spoiled by the vibrant visuals accompanied by hallucinogens, especially since I have particularly low tolerance, allowing me to easily achieve synesthesia. This is pretty great, especially since I was raised with a strong musical upbringing, so to see colours associated with music and even complete scenes was spectacular.
It was only then that I did acid, twice. It was amazing both times and exceptionally euphoric. It is by far one of the most terrific experiences I've had in my life, but it seemed to drain me of energy for a long time, and my head would take weeks to recover fully. It's strange, because although I'm not supposed to have such aftereffects, they seem to linger for me, especially particular mental images.
Last semester I smoked pot about ten times, mainly because I didn't feel I had the time to do anything else, especially since acid pretty much takes up the entire weekend, and sophomore year was beginning to make things a lot more difficult. I kind of learned to appreciate some aspects of getting high, but I still could not see how anyone could find it to be something to do very often. But since, I've decided to completely stop smoking and do drugs, mainly for very personal reasons.
I may do acid once more since one of my girl friends wants to do it with me, but chances are somewhat low. I mean, drugs are kind of fun, but I really don't think people should view it as something spiritual and enlightening, because seriously? You're on fucking drugs. <___<
I agree completly. Our whole countries drugs laws are based on how the government doesn't want to be seen as unpopular. If enough people complained they'd change every drug to class A.
Recently a team of experts advised the government to change ectasy to class B, which is completly correct. The experts said that it had a low effect on crime and that it didn't have damaging long-term effects. But the government said they'd keep it as class A so they didn't appear to be weak on the people involved in the drug.
It spoils the point of our system I mean surely the answer to their problem is to increase the sentences on each class, but I think even that is too much.
Another example is skunk, I believe it's currently class A, but it might be class B I don't remember. Anyway I've tried skunk and it's certainly not even class B. The only reasons for it being in a higher class are it's effect on crime, which could be fixed by legalizing it.
If you look at the class A drugs you have the obvious ones, such as crack, heroin, and meth (I'd say ketamine is class B). And then you have all these drugs that are nowhere near as bad. I mean surely the whole point of the class system was to put the really bad drugs into leagues of their own. Not so you can hand out the punishment you want to the people involved in it. The sentence the government believes a drug should have should not come into its class like it currently does.
Currently I've smoked hash, and skunk. Smoked skunk out of a homemade bong, (making a bong is a fun group activity in itself), and I've drunk alchohol and smoked cigars (never ciggerettes). As well as the various medicinal drugs I've taken when ill.
I regret not doing more drugs.
Throughout high school I hung out with a bunch of druggies. All my friends were wastoids; they would smoke weed every day, some were alcoholics, others took things like E and mescalin and salvia and mushrooms.
Being an asthmatic with a smoke allergy I stayed away from weed. I had (and still have) nothing against weed, but the act of smoking made me sick. I still smoked occasionally, perhaps a few times a year - but never regularly enough to be called a stoner.
One by one my friends gave up their drug habits after leaving high school. Last year I began to smoke a bit more weed with the one friend I had who still did drugs. Even though I had missed the boat throughout high school, I still had the opportunity to be a weekend stoner now. I also tried some acid - wonderful, intense stuff. And then my friend decided he was giving up drugs for good too. Well, that's just great. I don't have enough experience with drugs to get my own, or make drug connections, or smoke with people I don't know well. I'll probably never get to do LSD again either. In fact chances are I'll never do drugs again.
And why? Because I stayed away from drugs in high school!
Sure, I may be healthier and smarter for it, but I spend every sober weekend wondering if the brain cells I saved were worth the drug experiences and altered states I missed. I doubt they were.
So, to all the kids still in high school: experiment with drugs! Don't make the same mistakes I did, or you'll end up regretting it!
Throughout high school I hung out with a bunch of druggies. All my friends were wastoids; they would smoke weed every day, some were alcoholics, others took things like E and mescalin and salvia and mushrooms.
Being an asthmatic with a smoke allergy I stayed away from weed. I had (and still have) nothing against weed, but the act of smoking made me sick. I still smoked occasionally, perhaps a few times a year - but never regularly enough to be called a stoner.
One by one my friends gave up their drug habits after leaving high school. Last year I began to smoke a bit more weed with the one friend I had who still did drugs. Even though I had missed the boat throughout high school, I still had the opportunity to be a weekend stoner now. I also tried some acid - wonderful, intense stuff. And then my friend decided he was giving up drugs for good too. Well, that's just great. I don't have enough experience with drugs to get my own, or make drug connections, or smoke with people I don't know well. I'll probably never get to do LSD again either. In fact chances are I'll never do drugs again.
And why? Because I stayed away from drugs in high school!
Sure, I may be healthier and smarter for it, but I spend every sober weekend wondering if the brain cells I saved were worth the drug experiences and altered states I missed. I doubt they were.
So, to all the kids still in high school: experiment with drugs! Don't make the same mistakes I did, or you'll end up regretting it!
I've never really been beyond weed, hash and ecstasy on a semi-regular basis.
I've been more of a weed seller than a smoker, when making money out of it seemed fairly easy. I sold until I bought a particular pound of lower quality that I had difficulties selling. I don't think I've made money out of that one and I stopped selling since. I had to revert from selling ounces to resellers to grams and 3.5 to smokers I knew, from my friends and family members to co-workers and that meant a lot less money a lot less fast. It wasn't worth it anymore.
Ecstasy regularly when I used to rave regularly. It's been years since I've been to one though.
I smoked in high school and was sent home by my teacher once. On that note, although unrelated to that one time I was sent home, I had to write a sentence on the board during a class once after smoking with my friends during lunch. I knew it would be a difficult endeavor and I knew something was wrong as I was writting it, because people were laughing. I figured it was packed with spelling errors but going back to my seat, I realised how stupid my sentence looked. It went from the top left corner of the board in very big letters to the bottom of the right corner in very small letters curving in a weird way. It looked hilarious.
I've been more of a weed seller than a smoker, when making money out of it seemed fairly easy. I sold until I bought a particular pound of lower quality that I had difficulties selling. I don't think I've made money out of that one and I stopped selling since. I had to revert from selling ounces to resellers to grams and 3.5 to smokers I knew, from my friends and family members to co-workers and that meant a lot less money a lot less fast. It wasn't worth it anymore.
Ecstasy regularly when I used to rave regularly. It's been years since I've been to one though.
I smoked in high school and was sent home by my teacher once. On that note, although unrelated to that one time I was sent home, I had to write a sentence on the board during a class once after smoking with my friends during lunch. I knew it would be a difficult endeavor and I knew something was wrong as I was writting it, because people were laughing. I figured it was packed with spelling errors but going back to my seat, I realised how stupid my sentence looked. It went from the top left corner of the board in very big letters to the bottom of the right corner in very small letters curving in a weird way. It looked hilarious.
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