Most Generation PRNG Help / Information

Very odd.

What I'm doing now is I'm saved in front of Heatrans cave. I have a Super Repel active and I run the whole 200 steps, then replace myself in front of the door. I sweet scent a pokemon, check its IVs find my initial seed (it is wrong) and then I go and catch Heatran and it is now +5 of that Method 1 frame.

Heatran's offset is different every time you save. There must be some NPCs somewhere affect his offset?

I will continue testing, and will edit with more results.

EDIT: FUCK!! It became +6 again =| I overshot my target spread by one. ONE! D:
 
A friend of mine has some problems with the time finder.
Everytime he fills in a number of maximum offsets, he gets results far above the the maximum.

Any idea what causes this? He's using 4.60, same as me, but it works fine for me.
 
Pokerealm said:
A friend of mine has some problems with the time finder.
Everytime he fills in a number of maximum offsets, he gets results far above the the maximum.

Any idea what causes this? He's using 4.60, same as me, but it works fine for me.
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I have the same problem, when I enter the max offset 10, I get spread with an offset that goes from 1-999 sometimes even 1000.
 
Just to make things more clear to me for my next Calibration Phase attempt..

The Delay is determined by the amount of time spent on the Continue Screen, before we press A, right? Nothing else matters, like the time to see the wild pokemon or anything, right?

And how do we determine our Frame.. it's confusing.. do we just guess?
 
Pokerealm said:
Confirmed: Porygon (Veilstone) and Eevee (Hearthome, Bebe) are both Method 1.

EDIT: Shiny Porygon, received after 4 resets.
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Thanks, I'll make a note.

Pokerealm said:
A friend of mine has some problems with the time finder.
Everytime he fills in a number of maximum frame, he gets results far above the the maximum.

Any idea what causes this? He's using 4.60, same as me, but it works fine for me.
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Vliegtuig said:
I have the same problem, when I enter the max frame 10, I get spread with an frame that goes from 1-999 sometimes even 1000.
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Send me a screenshot of this if you could. It honors my maximum frame every time, so maybe it is some combination of factors causing the problem.
 
I got a screenshot myself. i'm the one that Pokerealm is talkin about.

So here is the screen:

rng.png


Also I got this one earlier today:

A Shiny Pokemon on the First Frame!
 
Vliegtuig said:
Hmm..I don't see what your problem is, the program found 439 Spreads and it's still searching,

I have another problem, but I have already sent a screen shot to mingot.
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In 50 frames - 668 found spreads ? (Yes eventually it became 668 found spread)

That should be max 50 spreads. (correct me if im wrong)
 
Vliegtuig said:
Wrong, the max frame means maximum offset, offset it used for the Journal pages, and steps.
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Please stop using Frame and Offset as the same thing, they are not. Frame has a very specific meaning in the context of the Method you are using to generate. Whats the other problem, I have only seen the PM about the one we were discussing.

EDIT: Ok, thanks for the report, found and fixed this problem so it should not be there in the next version. The stupid workaround to make it work correctly in this version is to enter a max frame (any number, does not matter) in the egg IVs tab and then it will correctly use the value that you have entered in the capture time finder.

Also, Lion, could you edit out those massive screenshots, they are throwing off formatting for this entire page of the thread.
 
I got now the following:

1668 1169ECB9 !!! Adamant 1 Heads M M M F

As I want to breed a Heracross out of this. Get the Ability Swarm Or Gust.

Also Pokerealm said to me there was a list about ability's. If that is true can I get a copy of it ?
 
will syberia's japanese ditto count as international if i breed it with a poke i bred/caught myself

I have a UK version
 
Directly from the directions:

NOTE: You may notice that there an option for "DPPt Egg PID (International)" under the item that you are selecting. If you are breeding Pokemon from two different (such as a US Ditto with a Japanese Skitty) regions you should select this option. One foolproof way to test if two Pokemon are considered international is to attempt to breed them while the appropriate parent is holding an Everstone. If the Everstone does not work then you have International Parents.
 
i have a question abour resetting legends. for the journal flips, only a page that sates you captured a pokemon counts for advancing the RNG?

You would flip your Journal 50 times to a page which lists a captured Pokemon to advance the RNG by 100.
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i was under the impression any page flipped along with the journal showing up when you started your game advanced it by 2.

so, along with this question, if it does need a captured pokemon in it, does the journal that shows up when you start your game have to have a captured pokemon to advance it?


and i'm confused about the sweet scenting... do i do this to find my initial and make sure i'm on the right seed? is this not required?

i'm familiar with resetting for IVs and resetting for shininess of eggs. so is legend resetting more like resetting for IVs or resetting for shininess? (or neither, as the case may be)
 
dr00 said:
i have a question abour resetting legends. for the journal flips, only a page that sates you captured a pokemon counts for advancing the RNG?

Defeated, too, actually, but I have had this NOT work and I am trying to figure out exactly why before putting it up as definite.

i was under the impression any page flipped along with the journal showing up when you started your game advanced it by 2.

Why? If something in the OP makes it seem like this is the case I need to make a change.

so, along with this question, if it does need a captured pokemon in it, does the journal that shows up when you start your game have to have a captured pokemon to advance it?

I suppose you could catch another one, but this in and of itself would advance the RNG and probably make life more difficult for you. Just have it in the Journal to start with.

and i'm confused about the sweet scenting... do i do this to find my initial and make sure i'm on the right seed? is this not required?

Not really required, where/what do you see that is making you think you have to do this? Other than the calibration section, of course, but you should be familiar with that part of the process.

i'm familiar with resetting for IVs and resetting for shininess of eggs. so is legend resetting more like resetting for IVs or resetting for shininess? (or neither, as the case may be)

Hrm. Are you sure you found the guide and read it over? :P
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i found it:
- Having the Journal open when the game starts or opening the journal when there is a caught Pokemon will advance the RNG by 2 seeds.

- Flipping to the page in the journal where a caught Pokemon is listed will advance the RNG by 2 seeds.
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maybe i glossed over that before, but i swear i never saw 'caught pokemon before'


anyway. yes, i've read it, but it's still very confusing to me. my main question is, i have to find a specific time and offset. how do i know that i've reached it without flipping through the journal a bunch of times and then catching my pokemon? or is that the only way? i guess part of me wants to think of it like shininess where i can just catch something and find my initial and just advance the RNG from there.
 
these are my results for the calibration to do the IV abuse are these pretty solid or should i keep going? also should i be doing SR or HR?


Seconds:14,14,14,14,14,14,14,14,14
Delay:601,604,604,597,601,599,600,606,602
Offset:11,10,4,5,5,4,4,5,4
 
Well, I need to make it clearer to be honest, at least the first page you quoted. Will do that.

anyway. yes, i've read it, but it's still very confusing to me. my main question is, i have to find a specific time and offset. how do i know that i've reached it without flipping through the journal a bunch of times and then catching my pokemon

Er, do you mean time and delay? If so:

Yep, thats a good question, and there are two ways to do it.

One is with Sweet Scent and seeing if you hit the correct seed. Work is ongoing to absolutely perfect that method, but Omega Donut has used it to great success.

The other is probably a little easier, though. When you have your initial seed that you are trying to target enter it into the seed dialog box on the main screen and select "DPPt Egg PIDs" and generate. Notice the coin column. You can switch to the coin flip application and if you hit your right time/delay your coin flips will match up perfectly, starting from frame 1, with the results you get while flipping the coin.

This will NOT advance the RNG. At least not the one that you are using.

marc.z said:
these are my results for the calibration to do the IV abuse are these pretty solid or should i keep going? also should i be doing SR or HR?

Seconds:14,14,14,14,14,14,14,14,14
Delay:601,604,604,597,601,599,600,606,602
Offset:11,10,4,5,5,4,4,5,4
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Extremely solid. You won't have big issues being this consistent and being able to nail your seconds value every time. Good luck.
 
mingot said:
Well, I need to make it clearer to be honest, at least the first page you quoted. Will do that.

anyway. yes, i've read it, but it's still very confusing to me. my main question is, i have to find a specific time and offset. how do i know that i've reached it without flipping through the journal a bunch of times and then catching my pokemon

Er, do you mean time and delay? If so:

Yep, thats a good question, and there are two ways to do it.

One is with Sweet Scent and seeing if you hit the correct seed. Work is ongoing to absolutely perfect that method, but Omega Donut has used it to great success.

The other is probably a little easier, though. When you have your initial seed that you are trying to target enter it into the seed dialog box on the main screen and select "DPPt Egg PIDs" and generate. Notice the coin column. You can switch to the coin flip application and if you hit your right time/delay your coin flips will match up perfectly, starting from frame 1, with the results you get while flipping the coin.

This will NOT advance the RNG. At least not the one that you are using.



Extremely solid. You won't have big issues being this consistent and being able to nail your seconds value every time. Good luck.
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yes, that's what i meant (time and delay) and thank you. i think i understand it a bit better now.


i have one more question, i'm sorry. when trying to find shiny spreads, do i need an initial seed and are my shinies subject to change? is there a way to search them?

for instance, i searched shiny only for method one (with no initial):

Frame: 443187
PID: 9A7880B4
Time: 123:06:45
Relaxed - 25 / 8 / 27 / 20 / 30 / 30


is there any way to actively try for this spread, or would i calibrate as per the IV breeding process and my optional shinies would change each time (given the calibration differences, etc.)?
 
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