New and "creative" moveset/EV spread thread. Mk. 4

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Recharge move aren't worth it, even if they score some KOs/2HKOes. Use Fire Blast / Overheat and deal with Suicune with another Pokemon.
 
Riverside said:
Well, Blast burn it's an attack not for idiots, of course.
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No, it's an attack meant only for idiots. It's useless. It's not even worth explaining. Just go with Overheat; you lose only 10 power and aren't left sitting like a duck, waiting for the likes of Lucario in OU or Absol in UU to set up while you can literally do nothing but watch as they outprioritize and overpower you.
 
You really think everyone uses set up moves? sigh.

Overeheat is an option, but I rather the power and, if charizard manage to survive, the chance to not switch, I'm really not sure if Overheat could have killed Suicune, Swampert or another 1 vs 1 last pokemon.
 
Riverside said:
Not when you have already killed some pokemon. You wont use Blast burn the first time you switch in charizard anyways.
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And theres a problem right there. With all the SR users running around Charizard doesn't get to switch in many times because of his typing. You said Blast Burn could be used in a 1v1 situation? It seems hard for Charizard to last that long.
 
My fire mono team was pure offensive, there was rare to have SR in my field because the tanks never had a chance. But in a standard team seems some harder.

I don't know if lucario really wanna show up to charizard (or if he has a chance, as I said before I use it to finish the battle (last pokemon)
 
ok lets use an example:

You use blast burn on a suicune. Suicune: 0% Charizard 100% (likely to be 50 though because of SR)

SD luke comes in. It SDs while you recharge. Then it ohkos charizard with extremespeed and sweeps your whole team
 
I said before there was no rocks on my team most lickely, so it only works on balanced teams or whatever.

And, for last time, I use it in the last turn of the battle.

But whatever, Overheat it's viable too, I just dont like the special attack drop and 10 less power.

Anyways Im not sure if ES can really OHKO 100% health zard.
 
Riverside said:
My fire mono team was pure offensive, there was rare to have SR in my field because the tanks never had a chance. But in a standard team seems some harder.

I don't know if lucario really wanna show up to charizard (or if he has a chance, as I said before I use it to finish the battle (last pokemon)
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Tanks aren't the only things that can set up Stealth Rocks. In fact, it's mainly the fast and frail units who would set them upbecause tanks can get taunted. But your statement is sorta true if you're only playing in the UU tier, but I still think you should leave out Blast Burn because the set you have doesn't have a nature that raises speed and there are many things that can take advantage of you being a sitting duck after a BB. For example, a special set Persian could use Nasty Plot and kill your Charizard with a Water Pulse + Technician, or a SD Sceptile setting up then Thunderpunching you to death, Swellow, etc as most of them would most likely have a speed boosting nature and max EV's in that stat.
 
I use BB in the last turn of the battle >_<!!!

Azelf and Dactyl leads are a pain in the *ss, almost impossible to stop the SR set up, but I find more Hippos than them when I was battling.

In less words, that zard it's viable with BB or Overheat, choose what you want.
 
I haven't seen this anywhere so I'm posting it.

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Set Name: SubLeichi Torterra
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Overgrow
Item: Leichi Berry
EVs: 252 Atk / 6 Def / 252 Spe
IVs: 30 HP
Move 1: Seed Bomb
Move 2: Earthquake
Move 3: Rock Polish
Move 4: Substitute

Comments: Torterra's bulk makes great use of the Rock Polish set. After a Rock Polish, it hits 422 Speed easily outspeeding every Pokemon in UU barring Choice Scarfed Pokemon. However most people realize how great Substitute is on Torterra. With its massive HP and Defense stats, its Subs become difficult to break with a strong Physical or Special attack. When these 2 ideas are combined Torterra can be a formidable late game sweeper.

This set is fairly simple to use: Switch in on an attack that it can take fairly well, then Rock Polish on the switch. As they bring in a counter hide behind the Substitute until your Leichi Berry activates, increasing Torterra's attack stat to 522. When Torterra's HP is at 1/3 or less, Seed Bomb's Base Power increases by 1.5% hitting 180 Base Power.

If you want to use Torterra to its full potential you must take down its counters and checks. With Spikes and Stealth Rock, it becomes fairly hard to switch into its attacks. However priority users and Choice Scarfers can pose a threat, but with the proper team support they can be taken care of.
 
Blast Burn really is a joke. Set up fodder for just about anything, and even Flamethrower does more damage over two turns. Your defenses have been "well it worked on my team" and "I was 1v1 and it worked then." Whilst I'm highly skeptical you had a LO Charizard as the last Pokemon, I gave you the benefit of the doubt, and a LO blaze boosted Blast Burn against a +1 SDef 252HP/0SDef Suicune manages only max 26.98%.
 
Not mentionning the fact that you're wasting a moveslot for a single turn of the entire match.

I tried the Torterra set before, and it's nothing special, it gets walled way too easily by Shaymin, Crobat, and a couple others. It just doesn't get the coverage that Empoleon achieves. Maybe Stone Edge + Earthquake?
 
Sharpteeth said:
Not mentionning the fact that you're wasting a moveslot for a single turn of the entire match.

I tried the Torterra set before, and it's nothing special, it gets walled way too easily by Shaymin, Crobat, and a couple others. It just doesn't get the coverage that Empoleon achieves. Maybe Stone Edge + Earthquake?
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Shaymin and Crobat are both BL now. Although possibly if you have good team support you can take out the counters or weaken them so it can sweep as its mostly for a late game sweeper.

Edit: Damn noticed Tangrowth was used more now. ~_~ It can still work I guess.
 
Sorry but I'm tired of people bashing Blast Burn so I just had to post this

This set's why you use blast burn instead of overheat.
Blast Burn
Charizard (M) @ petaya
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Mild Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Blast Burn
- Substitute
- Earthquake / Roar
- Earthquake / Sunny Day / Toxic

The set I ran was Blast Burn, Roar, Substitute, Sunny Day, but this Charizard will work significantly better if u can give it sunny day support though that's optional of course. Blast Burn and Substitute aren't negotiable on this set The last slot is very important, this charizard needs sunny day or you should probably use something else, setting sunny day up yourself is an option, though heatran walls you 100%. Now in my play testing of this I found roar very useful but if you think you can get by without it, using earthquake in the second slot is an option. Toxic can always go in the last slot if you're giving this sunny day support.

(Assuming SR)

How to use: Come in on something that you know will switch out such as skarmory, sub on the switch, if Ttar or Heatran come out EQ them to hell, although standard TTAR is only 2HKO'd by Earthquake. If it's a water pokemon such as Milotic, Suicune, or Vaporeon, the sub should have already put you in petaya and blaze range so just blast burn away. If it hits, (stupid 90% accuracy >.<) you should still be safely behind a sub ( I'd love to see Lucario come in and SD right about now :P) and you might even get the oppurtunity to blast burn something else.

Let's see what blast burn can do...
OHKO's Vaporeon roughly 60% of the time, guaranteed with SR down
Guaranteed OHKO on Suicune with SR down
38% Chance to OHKO Tyranitar with SR down pretty impressive I think
Swampert has no chance
Can't ever OHKO thickfat Snorlax unfortunately
Max HP Latias guaranteed OHKO with SR

Pretty much if it doesn't resist it's dying, and even if it does it might die anyway :P

What you want to do is pair this with a sweeper that likes to have water pokemon out of the way, Charizard's ability to basically get rid of Blissey as well should not go unnoticed.

Counters
Blissey has something like a 30% chance to be ko'd, but if it lives abd does something stupid like softboil you can ko it the next turn, and if it ko's you, then send something in that can kill a Blissey at ~16% :D. If you don't run earthquake heatran walls you to no end, besides that though not much, nothing likes taking a STABed Sunny Day'd Blazed +1 Blast Burn.

I made some other Blast Burn, Hydro Cannon Sets with Blaziken and Empoleon, I might post those later
 
The reason people are bashing Blast Burn is that you are allowing a pokemon a free set up, yes you might take out a pokemon because of the power but then a Lucario or some other deadly pokemon may set up a SD, Agility, etc and sweep your team.
 
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