Most Generation PRNG Help / Information

I'm using PokeRNG to look for a Bold HP Fighting 70 Rotom in Platinum (not Shiny), and the program yields no results. Is it impossible to get a Bold high-IV'd Pokemon with HP Fighting 70? Or am I doing something wrong/haven't looked in the right place for the right info?

I input 590-3000 in my delay range, and I've searched up to a 12,000 delay, and still no results have been found. Help please!
 
Due to the lack of detail, my own undesire to familiarize myself with "rng terms", and simple misunderstandment, this is where I am having trouble with RNG abusing:

  1. Begin your cycle of soft resetting, remembering to set the clock on your DS each and every time so the time when you "Continue" (your reset time) exactly matches what was generated by the time finder. Instructions for reliably hitting the target time are found in the "Common information for Breeding and Capturing Perfect Pokémon" section.
  2. Flip to a page where it says captured / defeated [Pokémon]. Do this three times to advance the frame from 6 to 12. No more, no less. Do not count the journal's initial appearance as a page flip. Each flip to a page with captured / defeated advances the frame by 2, so adjust accordingly based on your calibration frame and your target frame.
Is there a visual presentation of these specific steps I can find somewhere? The few on youtube are extremely rushed when showing these particular steps as both uploaders (i found 2, yes) were in a rush
 
If the two you found were bearsfan and SparkTehFuze's then I'd say they're probably all you need simply from myself learning from watching those two, lol. Just rewatch that part until you get it I guess?
 
Is there a visual presentation of these specific steps I can find somewhere? The few on youtube are extremely rushed when showing these particular steps as both uploaders (i found 2, yes) were in a rush

IV abusing is kind of hard. I assume you're using dppt. I can't make a video, but i can explain it in the simplest terms possible, perhaps that will help

In your previous post, you said your starting frame is 3.

I am assuming you know this part but i'm putting it here just incase
Open up your rng reporter, click time finder. stay on the iv tab. Put in the year, month and set the seconds as 50. Make sure to pick a day two days ahead of your current one. That way the journal comes up at game start. Enter in your usual delays For you minimum frame put 3, leave max frame blank. Hit generate and pick your spread. Right click and hit "copy seed to clipboard" Go back to the first screen of the rng reporter. Click Seed to Time. Paste the copied seed into the top.

Do the seconds value at 50. 50 is the easiest because you can set it to the minute and that saves time. Click generate and find the time in the list. Click generate again.

I suggest using pikatimer, which i wont explain but can be found on the first page if you aren't already using it.

Now, this is the part youre not understanding.

You'll see at the top it says coin flips for seed. This means, you know you hit your time/delay if the coin flips match. Thats important so remember that.

If you did the calibration, you know your normal seconds and your delay. Which we'll pretend is 15 and 623

So say your target frame is 17, the seconds is 50 and the delay is 623.
This is what you need to do.
Set your ds to the date for the seed. Sync up the ds clock with an external clock, like i said i suggest using pikatimer, but regular clocks work also, for the rest of the explanation i'll pretend you are using a regular clock.

You'll click set on the ds clock at the same time a new minute rolls around. Start your game and hit a til youre on the continue screen. Now, since your usual seconds is 15, when the external clock is at 45 seconds you'll soft reset and mash A like you usually do. Since you set your ds date two days later your journal pops up.

Your starting frame is 3, your target frame is 17. Subtract your starting frame from your target frame, that gives you 14, divide by 2, giving you 7. This means, inorder for your egg to hatch with the right ivs, you need to flip the journal to a page that says, defeated or caught a pokemon 7 times. Your best bet is to flip back and forth to the same page 7 times.

Once you do that, hit start and then mash a to talk to the guy. collect your egg. Remember the coin flips for seed thing i said before? Now is the time to do it. So do 10 flips, record them in the "search flips" function. If you did hit your correct time/delay the coin flips should match exactly, if not, you'll see what you did hit, if you didn't hit it keep trying. You'll hit it eventually.

Hope that helps. Iv are the hardest to abuse because there are a bunch of npcs.
 
I have been trying to hit a seed in Heart Gold for the Jirachi evenet, I was using emloop and I added to the delay like it said to, whenever I call prof. elm and search to see if I am close to my delay, it says that none of the responses match even though I tried this three times, my delay should be close enough to the wanted delay of 819 because when I checked through means of wild pokemon I had a delay of 815, yet my elm responses do not match, could anyone help me?

still no response, but if anyone could help me I would be very grateful
 
IV abusing is kind of hard. I assume you're using dppt. I can't make a video, but i can explain it in the simplest terms possible, perhaps that will help

In your previous post, you said your starting frame is 3.

I am assuming you know this part but i'm putting it here just incase
Open up your rng reporter, click time finder. stay on the iv tab. Put in the year, month and set the seconds as 50. Make sure to pick a day two days ahead of your current one. That way the journal comes up at game start. Enter in your usual delays For you minimum frame put 3, leave max frame blank. Hit generate and pick your spread. Right click and hit "copy seed to clipboard" Go back to the first screen of the rng reporter. Click Seed to Time. Paste the copied seed into the top.

Do the seconds value at 50. 50 is the easiest because you can set it to the minute and that saves time. Click generate and find the time in the list. Click generate again.

I'd like to say thanks a ton! Anyway, I can't pick a date 2 days ahead because it says 'ALL'. Also, do I enter in the delay I got from the calibration phase (the first pokemon I caught for nature purposes). If so, then I enter 653, and 653, correct? Before I click generate, I can also click =31 for the stats I want flawless? (I am using version 8.30)


I suggest using pikatimer, which i wont explain but can be found on the first page if you aren't already using it.

Now, this is the part youre not understanding.

You'll see at the top it says coin flips for seed. This means, you know you hit your time/delay if the coin flips match. Thats important so remember that.

If you did the calibration, you know your normal seconds and your delay. Which we'll pretend is 15 and 623

So say your target frame is 17, the seconds is 50 and the delay is 623.
This is what you need to do.
Set your ds to the date for the seed. Sync up the ds clock with an external clock, like i said i suggest using pikatimer, but regular clocks work also, for the rest of the explanation i'll pretend you are using a regular clock.

You'll click set on the ds clock at the same time a new minute rolls around. Start your game and hit a til youre on the continue screen. Now, since your usual seconds is 15, when the external clock is at 45 seconds you'll soft reset and mash A like you usually do. Since you set your ds date two days later your journal pops up.

Your starting frame is 3, your target frame is 17. Subtract your starting frame from your target frame, that gives you 14, divide by 2, giving you 7. This means, inorder for your egg to hatch with the right ivs, you need to flip the journal to a page that says, defeated or caught a pokemon 7 times. Your best bet is to flip back and forth to the same page 7 times.

Wow! Lol. First my normal seconds from the calibration phase (The first pokemon I caught for nature purposes) was 11 and the delay was 653. So I'll need to click on 'Pearl' on the Nintendo Ds intro screen when a new minute starts exactly (of course synchornizing the ds clock to an external clock first), go to the continue screen, don't click A, and soft reset 11 seconds before the new minute starts? If so, then I got it. Btw, when I change my time to sync with an external clock's new minute, I also change the hour and minute generated by the time finder? Does me inputting 50 seconds instead of the normal seconds I got in my calibration have anything to do with this?

Also, My target frame was 42 (the target frame is the frame number when you were choosing the spread for your ability/nature). My starting frame is 3. When I subtract & divide...I get an odd number -.-.

Lastly, in order to do that journal flip step, I click A and B, back and forth? Do I count the first page (when it comes up as 'defeated or caught a pokemon' right away) as 1 flip without doing anything? Thanks

Once you do that, hit start and then mash a to talk to the guy. collect your egg. Remember the coin flips for seed thing i said before? Now is the time to do it. So do 10 flips, record them in the "search flips" function. If you did hit your correct time/delay the coin flips should match exactly, if not, you'll see what you did hit, if you didn't hit it keep trying. You'll hit it eventually.

Hope that helps. Iv are the hardest to abuse because there are a bunch of npcs.

So after I get my egg without letting any npcs move, I go right away to my coin flip app, and if it equals what I got coin flips for seed, the IVs of the egg are going to come out to the spread of my choosing? If that's true, then that saves the time of hatching eggs over and over (I have no A.R). If it doesn't come up the way I want, I just hard reset when a new minute comes up, do the soft reset 11 seconds before new minute, click A on continue screen, get the egg before npcs move, and do the coin flip again?

EDIT2: Btw, since I'm using version 8.30, they have something in the generated results called 'flip sequence' with 10 h/t results. Do I need to go through those clipboard steps and whatnot or do I have a more advanced version than you?

EDIT3: Final question, do I just ignore the frame number in my generated results in the time finder?

Thanks for the much needed help man.
 
I have a problem. I'm trying to catch an Adamant Shiny Azelf; and I have to hit a delay value of 600, but several times I have hit that delay value (I used the search flips option to clarify) but each time I hit that delay value, I always end up hitting an entirely new seed; any solutions to this problem?
 
Check the seconds. That's the other factor that influences the seed. That is, besides the date and time.
 
Try catching a poké and determining its IVs to check your seed instead of resorting to coin flips.
 
Try catching a poké and determining its IVs to check your seed instead of resorting to coin flips.

Okay, I'll try that. But I have a quick question - would changing the delay value by 2 work also? I would still be able to hit the new delay but know it probably wouldn't have the same problem as before.
 
Okay, I'll try that. But I have a quick question - would changing the delay value by 2 work also? I would still be able to hit the new delay but know it probably wouldn't have the same problem as before.

You can probably check the adjacent seeds but it's better to catch a poké in case the coin flips don't match.
 
Since my post seems long and tedious to read, I'll break up my post into individual questions so someone who may be coming along is kind enough to answer:

In regards to soft resetting/time watch stuff after generating your seed in the time finder:

Wow! Lol. First my normal seconds from the calibration phase (The first pokemon I caught for nature purposes) was 11 and the delay was 653. So I'll need to click on 'Pearl' on the Nintendo Ds intro screen when a new minute starts exactly (of course synchornizing the ds clock to an external clock first), go to the continue screen, don't click A, and soft reset 11 seconds before the new minute starts? If so, then I got it. Btw, when I change my time to sync with an external clock's new minute, I also change the hour and minute generated by the time finder?

In regards to the formula when dividing/subtracting frames:

Also, My target frame was 42 (the target frame is the frame number when you were choosing the spread for your ability/nature). My starting frame is 3. When I subtract & divide...I get an odd number -.-.

In regards to the journal flip step:

Lastly, in order to do that journal flip step, I click A and B, back and forth? Do I count the first page (when it comes up as 'defeated or caught a pokemon' right away) as 1 flip without doing anything? Thanks


In regards to the flip sequence and @ what do I do if I do not get the egg IVs on my first try:

So after I get my egg without letting any npcs move, I go right away to my coin flip app, and if it equals my flip sequence, the IVs of the egg are going to come out to the spread of my choosing? If that's true, then that saves the time of hatching eggs over and over (I have no A.R). If it doesn't come up the way I want, I just hard reset when a new minute comes up, do the soft reset 11 seconds before new minute, click A on continue screen, get the egg before npcs move, and do the coin flip again?
 
@Nevada11 , I think I can answer your first question.

In regards to soft resetting:
It is better if you already have the game running, and then right at the moment where the seconds for your minute reaches 00, soft reset. For example, if your goal is at 12:55:11, then set the time for 12:54 , turn on the game, and leave it running for about a minute. At 12:55:00, soft reset the game, and then mash A until you press continue.
Also, you really only need to sync your seconds to an outside clock while running the game. However, I suggest Pikatimer.
As for your other questions, I'm not too sure since I rng only in HGSS
 
Nevada11: If your starting frame is odd, then your target frame should be odd as well. I don't believe there's a way around it.

Pertaining to your journal flip questions, I can only answer in my experience, which is different from the guide, so I'll let someone more experience/knowledgeable tackle that one.

If your coin flip matches after collecting the egg, there is a very high chance that the pokemon you just received is the one with the correct IVs. Sometimes the frame changes and you've gotten a different frame but the same delay and the coin flip matches too. IMO, you shouldn't save and hatch it just in case. Though this is very limiting because then you might not get to pick your hatch location.
 
Now I have tried searching for every delay from ranging from plus or minus 99 and I still get the message that the elm responses did not match any of the possible delays for my seed, could there be something possibly wrong with my SID? I am not sure if it is because I got it from the aid of a cheating devise, what could be the problem?
 
In regards to soft resetting/time watch stuff after generating your seed in the time finder:

Read the PikaTimer guide.

In regards to the formula when dividing/subtracting frames:

If your starting frame in three, chose a seed with the desirable IVs on a odd frame, since you'll only be able to advance the frames by two.

In regards to the journal flip step:

It was said a number of times: if the firt page of the auto-open had a captured/defeated poke, then yes it advanced 2 frames.

Page with no caught/defeated poke -> A -> Page with caught/defeated poke = +2 frames.

Page with caught/defeated poke -> A -> Page with caught/defeated poke = +2 frames.

Page with caught/defeated poke -> A -> Page with no caught/defeated poke= +0 frames.

Page with no caught/defeated poke -> B -> Page with caught/defeated poke = +2 frames.

Page with caught/defeated poke -> B -> Page with caught/defeated poke = +2 frames.

Page with caught/defeated poke -> B -> Page with no caught/defeated poke= +0 frames.

In regards to the flip sequence and @ what do I do if I do not get the egg IVs on my first try:

IF you got the right frame and the right seed, then the egg will have the desired IVs. after you get the egg, do the coinflips to see if you got the seed right. If the seed is right, hatch it and check it's IVs without saving. If the IVs were the ones you wanted - save. If not, redo the Egg IV part from the beginning.
 
@Nevada11 , I think I can answer your first question.

In regards to soft resetting:
It is better if you already have the game running, and then right at the moment where the seconds for your minute reaches 00, soft reset. For example, if your goal is at 12:55:11, then set the time for 12:54 , turn on the game, and leave it running for about a minute. At 12:55:00, soft reset the game, and then mash A until you press continue.
Also, you really only need to sync your seconds to an outside clock while running the game. However, I suggest Pikatimer.
As for your other questions, I'm not too sure since I rng only in HGSS

Thanks for describing that in vivid, step-by-step detail. Although I'm not sure about "leaving it running for about a minute". When I soft reset, I soft reset @ the DS screen (with the pictochat, download, etc.) or the "continue" screen right before the game starts? Thanks.

If anyone can answer my other questions, it would be much appreciated.

EDIT: Thanks, guys.

Nevada11: If your starting frame is odd, then your target frame should be odd as well. I don't believe there's a way around it.

The target frame is the frame number when picking the spread you want in regards to nature/ability. If that is true, looks like I'll have to start all over.


If your coin flip matches after collecting the egg, there is a very high chance that the pokemon you just received is the one with the correct IVs. Sometimes the frame changes and you've gotten a different frame but the same delay and the coin flip matches too. IMO, you shouldn't save and hatch it just in case. Though this is very limiting because then you might not get to pick your hatch location.

Thanks for that! Seems much, much clearer

If your starting frame in three, chose a seed with the desirable IVs on a odd frame, since you'll only be able to advance the frames by two.

So I guess this means I'll need to start over
 
Now I have tried searching for every delay from ranging from plus or minus 99 and I still get the message that the elm responses did not match any of the possible delays for my seed, could there be something possibly wrong with my SID? I am not sure if it is because I got it from the aid of a cheating devise, what could be the problem?

There could be a number of things you are doing wrong. Have you tried going out, catching a pokemon, finding it's IVs and using them to see where exactly you landed?
 
Thanks for describing that in vivid, step-by-step detail. Although I'm not sure about "leaving it running for about a minute". When I soft reset, I soft reset @ the DS screen (with the pictochat, download, etc.) or the "continue" screen right before the game starts? Thanks.

If anyone can answer my other questions, it would be much appreciated.

Well, the reason you set the date/time one minute earlier is so you can have the time to have the game running (you can see your little trainer guy in the screen) right at the minute mark (the leaving the game running for a minute). Then, you can soft reset at that exact moment at the minute mark, and if you hit your target time, it should be at the 11 second mark.
 
Well, the reason you set the date/time one minute earlier is so you can have the time to have the game running (you can see your little trainer guy in the screen) right at the minute mark (the leaving the game running for a minute). Then, you can soft reset at that exact moment at the minute mark, and if you hit your target time, it should be at the 11 second mark.

Excuse me for being so persistent.

Anyway, it should go like this (in my case):

- Turn off console.
- Change date/year/time. In my case, its 11:06:11
- Change the time specifically to 11:05:00
- Turn off the DS after saving settings.
- Turn it back on
- Select pokemon DS game
- Press A as fast as you can so you can get to the continue screen before the minute runs out
- Do not Press A to enter the game. Wait until the minute reaches 11:06:00, then soft reset.
- Press A as fast as you can etc.

If that's the way it goes (hopefully), then I think I got this handled, besides the journal flip part as I think I'll need to start over to get the target frame to an odd number.
 
That's not correct, as the seconds you calibrated was 11. Meaning that it only takes you 11seconds to get into the game (not sure how in the world you did it that fast if that's a real number, lol). Setting the time back a minute from your target time is simply so that you have enough time to start up the game.

I'll add my parts in bold:


- Turn off console.
- Change date/year/time. In my case, its 11:06:11
- Change the time specifically to 11:05:00
- Turn off the DS after saving settings AND simultaneously hitting start on pikatimer or emloop or your external clock/stopwatch/timer
- The reason you do this is so you know EXACTLY when the game is 11:06:00
- Turn it back on
- Select pokemon DS game
- Let it load until the timer reaches 11:06:00 or basically one minute. THEN soft reset and mash A
- Press A as fast as you can so you can enter the game (push continue) the exact moment those 11seconds have passed.
- Journal Flip to advance your frame if needed
- Press A as fast as you can etc.
 
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