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Uhh...sorry if sound retarded, but wouldn't return actually be a viable option without having to sacrifice yourself to deal with blissey with? Especially with download, I'm pretty sure it will at the very least 2hko bliss, if not one hit it.
 
Yep, that's a pretty good set Lee. I personal love Choice Scarf, due it's ability to revenge just about anything. (that COVERAGE)


Genosect should get the pokemon of the year award. (lol)
 
Qijun said:
Uhh...sorry if sound retarded, but wouldn't return actually be a viable option without having to sacrifice yourself to deal with blissey with? Especially with download, I'm pretty sure it will at the very least 2hko bliss, if not one hit it.
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No. Because X-Scissor is better, and Genosect has Claw Sharpen, though it needs <200 Attack EVs and an Attack-boosting nature to have a chance at beating Standard Blissey in one shot.
 
Question.
How many pokemon in Ubers and OU have more Def than Sp.Def?
With a move set full of special moves,he wont have any way of boosting his attack since he relies on Download.
 
Kefka the god of magic said:
Question.
How many pokemon in Ubers and OU have more Def than Sp.Def?
With a move set full of special moves,he wont have any way of boosting his attack since he relies on Download.
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I can't give you an exact number at the moment, but most mixed attacks run a -SpD nature to keep Scizor's Bullet Punch damage output on the low end of the scale. Physically defensive Pokemon are more common than Specially Defensive at the moment as well.
 
Adding on to that, most mixed sweepers in Ubers run -Def natures. Also, Pokemon that run 252 Atk/Sp.A and 252 Speed but can't afford to run 4 HP because of SR damage (example: Rayquaza) run 4 Def in OU and 4 Sp.D in Ubers, so special sets ultimately work better in OU.
 
Uber set
Genosect @Choice Scarf
Download
Nature: Bashful/Serious/Docile/Hardy/Quirky
~/ X-Scissor / Shadow Claw
~/ Return / Explosion
~/ Bugg Buzz if running shadow claw / Flash Cannon
~/ Ice Beam / Blizzard

Pick X-Scissor over Shadow Claw if you want more power, Shadow Claw if you're very worried about Giratina and any Ghosts that dare put a foot in Ubers. You're resistant to Ghost, but never can be too sure. Return grants additional physical coverage; Explosion gives you a way to go out with a bang if you switch out with low HP. It'll be usefuler if you nab a Download boost. It's situational though, so Return is probably your safest bet. Other than Manaphy, Kyogre and Dialga nothing really resists Flash Cannon, even if it doesn't hit much for SE. Ice Beam and Blizzard are obvious: Dragons, Dragons everywhere. Groudon, too.

You can change the nature if you want to, but it really can't spare speed, bulk or offense. Change it at will, but I recommend neutral.


Shame is it can't use Techno Buster because of the Choice Scarf, but sometimes ya gotta make a sacrifice.

EDIT: Forgot to say it's for Ubers.
 
Ryanide said:
Actually it was bullet punch and technician that made scizor so deadly in gen 4.

Genosect is slow and it dies to fire moves. It hits hard but can't boost it's special attack any further than strong base stats and download will allow it. I think it'll be ok in OU.
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Played a few games against soem in ou and this thing was in no way overpowered. I definitely want toc all ou but well have to wait and see.
 
Megaron said:
Uber set
Genosect @Choice Scarf
Download
Nature: Bashful/Serious/Docile/Hardy/Quirky
~/ X-Scissor / Shadow Claw
~/ Return / Explosion
~/ Bugg Buzz if running shadow claw / Flash Cannon
~/ Ice Beam / Blizzard

Pick X-Scissor over Shadow Claw if you want more power, Shadow Claw if you're very worried about Giratina and any Ghosts that dare put a foot in Ubers. You're resistant to Ghost, but never can be too sure. Return grants additional physical coverage; Explosion gives you a way to go out with a bang if you switch out with low HP. It'll be usefuler if you nab a Download boost. It's situational though, so Return is probably your safest bet. Other than Manaphy, Kyogre and Dialga nothing really resists Flash Cannon, even if it doesn't hit much for SE. Ice Beam and Blizzard are obvious: Dragons, Dragons everywhere. Groudon, too.

You can change the nature if you want to, but it really can't spare speed, bulk or offense. Change it at will, but I recommend neutral.


Shame is it can't use Techno Buster because of the Choice Scarf, but sometimes ya gotta make a sacrifice.

EDIT: Forgot to say it's for Ubers.
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Wouldn't Hasty or Naive be a better nature for this set? Genosect may have 99 Speed (which is several points behind several threats), but with max Speed and Choice Scarf, it reaches a respectable 489, which outspeeds other Pokemon, except for base Speed 100+ Pokemon with Choice Scarves of their own.
 
A +1 Accuracy Zap Cannon has only 67% accuracy. That's still worse than Thunder, and I don't think 100% paralysis is worth a one-in-three shot at missing.
 
I think Thunder is stronger anyways.

That said, I can't wait to see Genosect's potential. I think a Rock Polish set will be interesting. Stupid base 99 Speed.
 
Arcticblast said:
I think Thunder is stronger anyways.

That said, I can't wait to see Genosect's potential. I think a Rock Polish set will be interesting. Stupid base 99 Speed.
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Both Thunder and Zap-Cannon have 120 power. After a Claw Sharpen, Zap-Cannon's accuracy will be close to that of Thunder's. Under the same conditions, Thunder's accuracy, however, would be 94%, albeit without the 100% chance of paralysis. As I stated, it is only theorymonning. For all intents and purposes, Thunderbolt might as well be just as effective, although, I wanted to add the fact that Claw Sharpen can raise the 50% accuracy for the purpose of discussion. As far as Rock Polish goes, I think there are things that are close to as strong, if not stronger, than Genosect that are already faster.
 
I wonder if this thing could pose much of a threat as a lead? I mean he comes in with his Timid/Naive nature, Thunder Waves his opponent, maybe even set up Dual Screens, then either Explodes, or tries to do a little damage with Bug Buzz or X-Scissor (Bug Buzz for Timid, X-Scissor for Naive)
 
petrie911 said:
A +1 Accuracy Zap Cannon has only 67% accuracy. That's still worse than Thunder, and I don't think 100% paralysis is worth a one-in-three shot at missing.
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I actually like that set with Wide Lens instead of LO and Blizzard instead of IB, as long as no weather's active and Ninetales/Groudon have been taken care of.

Get to +1, Zap cannon's at 74%, Blizzard's at 99%, X-Scissor's +1
Get to +2, sweep without worry.

Genosect is like a posterboy for a Cloud Nine sweeper. Clear the weather, set up. Blizzard should hurt Hippo or do grievous harm to a Dory switchin, X-Scissor handles Ttar easily and is boosted STAB against a balloon Dory, even though it's resisted, and Zap Cannon finishes Toed or cripples whatever Swift Swimmer he switches out to.
 
GravityZero said:
I actually like that set with Wide Lens instead of LO and Blizzard instead of IB, as long as no weather's active and Ninetales/Groudon have been taken care of.

Get to +1, Zap cannon's at 74%, Blizzard's at 99%, X-Scissor's +1
Get to +2, sweep without worry.

Genosect is like a posterboy for a Cloud Nine sweeper. Clear the weather, set up. Blizzard should hurt Hippo or do grievous harm to a Dory switchin, X-Scissor handles Ttar easily and is boosted STAB against a balloon Dory, even though it's resisted, and Zap Cannon finishes Toed or cripples whatever Swift Swimmer he switches out to.
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I forgot all about Blizzard, I'll add that.
 
I think Genosect could do well in Ubers with rain support from Kyogre, here's a potential set I thought of:

Genosect @ Choice Scarf/Life Orb
Download
Timid
6HP/252SpA/252Spe
Bug Buzz
Thunder
Ice Beam
Hidden Power (Dragon)

Yes, HP Dragon. Reason is because otherwise it can't really do a lot to Palkia/Zekrom/Reshiram, and HP Dragon would totally neutralize them. Base 99 Speed sucks because Scarf Palkia can outrun and KO it, but it would make a great late-game sweeper in Ubers (or in OU for those that don't want a ban list :P), if you take out Groudon/Palkia/Reshiram, who all ruin his day, then bring Kyogre in to set up rain and then let Genosect sweep on the opponents' weakened team.
 
If you had checked the Pokemon index before putting up your thread you would've seen there was already a Genosect thread (albeit under the name Genosekuto, which is still pretty obviously Genosect). And it already had a lot of discussion.

Luckily for you, you had a better OP. So I'm going to let you off easy and just merge the threads.
 
OmegaDonut said:
If you had checked the Pokemon index before putting up your thread you would've seen there was already a Genosect thread (albeit under the name Genosekuto, which is still pretty obviously Genosect). And it already had a lot of discussion.

Luckily for you, you had a better OP. So I'm going to let you off easy and just merge the threads.
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Quite sorry about that, I realize that I CTRL+f'd an incorrect name on the first 10 or so pages looking for "Genosect."
 
So wow this guy works really well as a speed boost recipicent from blaziken.

BUT

How do i handle shandera? atm Bug Buzz / Thunderbolt / Ice Beam / Flamethrower (w/ expert belt, modest) is doing well exept for shandera.

Bug Buzz / Thunderbolt / Ice Beam / HP Ground maybe? i cant ohko nattorei anymore but he cant really hurt back. download hp ground takes out doryuuzu i think (someone please check im not at my own comp). heatran isn't a problem anymore. shandera ohko with download (someone please check).

Do i need life orb for these kills? do i even need expert belt? HP Ground > Flamethrower?

EDIT:

worked out that genosect can run leftovers and still snag a kill vs shandera / doryuuzu with a download boost.

HP Ground + leftovers it is I guess

EDIT 2:

if i have leftovers instead of expert belt how viable could flash cannon be?
 
Then Flamethrower does the same to both doryuuzu AND nattorei. Shanderaa can be 2HKO'd by Thunderbolt and it can OHKO you, so that could be the only reason to use HP Ground.
 
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