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NOC Medieval Mafia - Game Over: Majora's Maskians Win
- Thread starter Ampharos
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Maybe Yeti isn't that far off with the DOWNSy comments...
I cncnd my PR. By that I mean I confirm I have one, but will not tell it atm.
and SCall never claimed iirc.
As for Yeti I certainly have rethought my position on her. BT still remains at the top of my scumlist for reasons previously stated however.
EDIT: Hardy har har you two.
But seriously. I do NOT want another villager lynched today. None of us do. Seeing as my utter stupidity has drawn attention to me, odds are the mafia will kill me off anyway. So save your force for them.
I cncnd my PR. By that I mean I confirm I have one, but will not tell it atm.
and SCall never claimed iirc.
As for Yeti I certainly have rethought my position on her. BT still remains at the top of my scumlist for reasons previously stated however.
EDIT: Hardy har har you two.
But seriously. I do NOT want another villager lynched today. None of us do. Seeing as my utter stupidity has drawn attention to me, odds are the mafia will kill me off anyway. So save your force for them.
j-squared, I have always had reasons behind my responses, which are the ones people read as "jumpiness". If you think that those are scum reasons, then yeah, go ahead and accuse me of that. Overdefensiveness is meant to signal if someone is scummy, not scum. What makes a read more certain is the rationale behind that scummy behavior. That said, why is my rationale behind my being 'jumpy', which I explained in my posts, scum rationale? This needs explanation since you're accusing me of being "scum", not "scummy".
I would note this as an exaggeration and possible scuminess, but I continue to read your continuous hatred of me as a kneejerk reaction from my little fight with Ditto. As in, a townie reaction.
That said, who are the other scum? Who would you be fine with lynching aside from obvscum!B_T?
Crux still gets the golden pest award and I'm still leaning scum for the whole "tunnel on those who accuse you and only them" thing. New opinions might help.....
My general opinion regarding Yeti was leaning town. I was going to reread and post why I think the Yeti lynch is bad...
@@Vote Yeti@@
...only to get the opposite result.
It irked me before (and still does) that Yeti has been full of :words: but shy of meaningful stances. We got the tunnely hatred of Sam/Cereza as the main contender for such a stance, but even then Yeti proceeds to push for her own suspect only when she is 'forced' to, as she makes sure to let us know why she was forced to make a stance in #767. Despite her assumed conviction behind the Cereza wagon, we suddenly learn that "this wasn't the best vote but the best option" (not a direct quote)(idr when she says this), which contradicts this. Also bothers me the fact that, like others have noted, she makes it crystal clear that she knows she's responsible behind the possible mislynch and she accepts this fact. This is only a subtle way to remove suspicion later on, though, since "why would scum anticipate the suspicion but go with the lynch anyway? she said it herself!". Additionally, the fact that she finds it important to remind us of this tells us 1) she is over-cautious or 2) she knows this will be a mislynch or 3) both.
There's also the thing where she establishes "one of these two is scum" connections in her posts, which alone is scummy, but proceeds to not find out which one of them is the scum. You think one of them is scum? The townie thing to do is read their posts and find out which one is it, instead of settling for a "best option" Cereza vote. Yeti has been active enough & dedicated enough to do this, yet, she hasn't.
Perfectly fine with this flip now.
I would note this as an exaggeration and possible scuminess, but I continue to read your continuous hatred of me as a kneejerk reaction from my little fight with Ditto. As in, a townie reaction.
That said, who are the other scum? Who would you be fine with lynching aside from obvscum!B_T?
Crux still gets the golden pest award and I'm still leaning scum for the whole "tunnel on those who accuse you and only them" thing. New opinions might help.....
My general opinion regarding Yeti was leaning town. I was going to reread and post why I think the Yeti lynch is bad...
@@Vote Yeti@@
...only to get the opposite result.
It irked me before (and still does) that Yeti has been full of :words: but shy of meaningful stances. We got the tunnely hatred of Sam/Cereza as the main contender for such a stance, but even then Yeti proceeds to push for her own suspect only when she is 'forced' to, as she makes sure to let us know why she was forced to make a stance in #767. Despite her assumed conviction behind the Cereza wagon, we suddenly learn that "this wasn't the best vote but the best option" (not a direct quote)(idr when she says this), which contradicts this. Also bothers me the fact that, like others have noted, she makes it crystal clear that she knows she's responsible behind the possible mislynch and she accepts this fact. This is only a subtle way to remove suspicion later on, though, since "why would scum anticipate the suspicion but go with the lynch anyway? she said it herself!". Additionally, the fact that she finds it important to remind us of this tells us 1) she is over-cautious or 2) she knows this will be a mislynch or 3) both.
There's also the thing where she establishes "one of these two is scum" connections in her posts, which alone is scummy, but proceeds to not find out which one of them is the scum. You think one of them is scum? The townie thing to do is read their posts and find out which one is it, instead of settling for a "best option" Cereza vote. Yeti has been active enough & dedicated enough to do this, yet, she hasn't.
Perfectly fine with this flip now.
Blue tornado if you use your :word: bs one more time i am going to delete your account.
what a load of total bull. you have spewed just as many useleas posts as anyone else. I cite your "who would YOU vote for" discussion-"building" posts that make you look productive without having to personally say anything.
i am also pretty sure YOUR only firm stances are that crux is a scummy unhelpful (BAN ME PLEASE) and i am now bad because as a villager I DONT KNOW WHAT UNCLESAM'S ALLIANCE IS FOR SURE RETARD. i had a suspicion, cereza was making herself as unhelpfully suspicious as possible and i was not the only one getting wolf vibes from Sam, plus his lynch gave us confirmation of his alliance.
your hurried vote with a sudden flip, simply because Sam was villy and i cannot defend my position well, simply REEKS of scum. like you are eager to get on this bandwagon.
i am pretty sure only your now-vehement insistence i am scum is the only notable claim YOU have made about someone beyond crux as well.
as for my suspicions, guess what (BAN ME PLEASE) I REALLY CANNOT TELL YET WHO IS SCUM BETWEEN MY PAIRED CONNECTIONS.
holy piss you are damp.
what a load of total bull. you have spewed just as many useleas posts as anyone else. I cite your "who would YOU vote for" discussion-"building" posts that make you look productive without having to personally say anything.
i am also pretty sure YOUR only firm stances are that crux is a scummy unhelpful (BAN ME PLEASE) and i am now bad because as a villager I DONT KNOW WHAT UNCLESAM'S ALLIANCE IS FOR SURE RETARD. i had a suspicion, cereza was making herself as unhelpfully suspicious as possible and i was not the only one getting wolf vibes from Sam, plus his lynch gave us confirmation of his alliance.
your hurried vote with a sudden flip, simply because Sam was villy and i cannot defend my position well, simply REEKS of scum. like you are eager to get on this bandwagon.
i am pretty sure only your now-vehement insistence i am scum is the only notable claim YOU have made about someone beyond crux as well.
as for my suspicions, guess what (BAN ME PLEASE) I REALLY CANNOT TELL YET WHO IS SCUM BETWEEN MY PAIRED CONNECTIONS.
holy piss you are damp.
So... misrep of my opinions (holy damn i have so little opinions i mean just look at all the wagons i paid no attention to... oh wait that's not true), misrep of my reasoning for voting you, sudden realization that I've been scum all game only after I vote you, insults irrelevant to the game and some other stuff.
This is some pretty bad OMGUS.
This is some pretty bad OMGUS.
First, jumppluff's question:
I know the mafia isn't going to come out and say "I've got the parchment!" or "I know what it does!" but I think any conversation that can help the village find out who has the parchment tonight (thus finding Snike's killer) would be good.
I don't think the parchment let's the holder ask questions (why would you ask if the mafia has a theif? rather obvious), but rather reveals a little more random info to the holder each night. Just my guess.
Also, who was it that claimed the village had all but 2 items? Wasn't that Snike as well? I've been trying to look it up, but I've been unsuccessful so far (I'll keep trying). If anyone can remember off the top of their head, let me know.
To BT:
Sorry for not knowing the difference between 'scum' and 'scummy.' If you want me to use that vocabulary, then you are scummy. Better? I still haven't figured out where you posted your rational behind why you are jumpy, so if you could enlighten me, please do.
Basically, you ask the same crap that you have in all you other posts, "Why are my actions considered scummy?" Do you not admit that most of your posts have been defensive, jumpy, and deflective, as multiple users (not just myself) have pointed out? Do you not agree that being defensive, jumpy, and deflective are signs of being in the mafia?
Answer those to questions and you should see why most people think you are 'scummy.'
Other people I'd be fine with lynching (only since you asked):
zorbees (I'll say more on this, if you want reasons on the others, just ask)
Brammi
Yeti
Crux
Kok (just because he is a troll hahaha)
Back to zorbees - Back in my post #760, I say that I am thinking hard about switching my vote to MK Ultra. At that point in time, it would have made the vote Cereza (6), MK (4). If Cereza would have unvoted her/himself and voted for MK, it would have tied the voting. Well, who comes in to save the day? Zorbees! Using the pretense of not wanting another tie, he switches his vote from MK to Cereza, solidifying Cereza's demise.
I just found that whole order of events very interesting.
I'm going to hold off on casting a vote until I hear more from billymills on the item situation.
I know the mafia isn't going to come out and say "I've got the parchment!" or "I know what it does!" but I think any conversation that can help the village find out who has the parchment tonight (thus finding Snike's killer) would be good.
I don't think the parchment let's the holder ask questions (why would you ask if the mafia has a theif? rather obvious), but rather reveals a little more random info to the holder each night. Just my guess.
Also, who was it that claimed the village had all but 2 items? Wasn't that Snike as well? I've been trying to look it up, but I've been unsuccessful so far (I'll keep trying). If anyone can remember off the top of their head, let me know.
To BT:
Sorry for not knowing the difference between 'scum' and 'scummy.' If you want me to use that vocabulary, then you are scummy. Better? I still haven't figured out where you posted your rational behind why you are jumpy, so if you could enlighten me, please do.
Basically, you ask the same crap that you have in all you other posts, "Why are my actions considered scummy?" Do you not admit that most of your posts have been defensive, jumpy, and deflective, as multiple users (not just myself) have pointed out? Do you not agree that being defensive, jumpy, and deflective are signs of being in the mafia?
Answer those to questions and you should see why most people think you are 'scummy.'
Other people I'd be fine with lynching (only since you asked):
zorbees (I'll say more on this, if you want reasons on the others, just ask)
Brammi
Yeti
Crux
Kok (just because he is a troll hahaha)
Back to zorbees - Back in my post #760, I say that I am thinking hard about switching my vote to MK Ultra. At that point in time, it would have made the vote Cereza (6), MK (4). If Cereza would have unvoted her/himself and voted for MK, it would have tied the voting. Well, who comes in to save the day? Zorbees! Using the pretense of not wanting another tie, he switches his vote from MK to Cereza, solidifying Cereza's demise.
I just found that whole order of events very interesting.
I'm going to hold off on casting a vote until I hear more from billymills on the item situation.
Not rationale behind my jumpiness. Rationale behind my responses.
I admit that some of my posts were defensive. 'Jumpy' is redundant here going by the definition I was given.
Most of the times. I've yet to see how this is the case currently, however.
I've been 'defensive' some of the times, yes. However, this was done in the process of showing how User X is scummy; if someone accuses you in a scummy way, you're automatically defending yourself if you decide to point it out.
Therefore, I believe that my rationale for being 'defensive' at times is town-motivated. The reason I repeatedly 'ask why I am scummy' is because I simply do not see how my defensiveness in this case is scummy.
Lol defending your defensiveness. lmao what do you have to hide BT?
BT you continually have been postING but i doubt in your #1 posting status you are actually contributing.much. in fact iirc most of your posts are either short or from an argument with someone giving you easy pc+1. so you seem like you are in a position to say crap but idt you really are.
so yes you are damp and i pointed it out due to your rushed LOL YETI IS CLEARLY SCUM FROM THIS FLIP BRB CHANGING MY UNSTATED OPINION SO I CAN LYNCH MOAR VILLAGE.
BT you continually have been postING but i doubt in your #1 posting status you are actually contributing.much. in fact iirc most of your posts are either short or from an argument with someone giving you easy pc+1. so you seem like you are in a position to say crap but idt you really are.
so yes you are damp and i pointed it out due to your rushed LOL YETI IS CLEARLY SCUM FROM THIS FLIP BRB CHANGING MY UNSTATED OPINION SO I CAN LYNCH MOAR VILLAGE.
Nothing. Wouldn't want people getting swayed by wrong reasons to lynch a townie, though. Not very good for town.
I haven't been contributing much... in contrast to my # of posts? How does this relate to my contribution as a whole? This is 100% subjective when said this way to begin with.
More misrep.
I've clearly been doing this all game.
I would like opinions on whether or not Ullar should tell us his power role. Staraptor never said anything even when he was at the forefront of discussion, and just claiming 'I have a power role' already makes him a target.
Is it worth knowing or should we not direct the mafias' hand. Ullar is an idiot regardless.
I think it is worth knowing because Ullar is a somewhat suspicious person, and because chances are he's made himself a target tonight anyway.
Is it worth knowing or should we not direct the mafias' hand. Ullar is an idiot regardless.
I think it is worth knowing because Ullar is a somewhat suspicious person, and because chances are he's made himself a target tonight anyway.
Mafia already have a theoretical PR to target in Quagsires.
Revealing what it is will only give mafia the better option of the two to target.
Revealing what it is will only give mafia the better option of the two to target.
I don't see a huge list of power roles remaining. There could very well be a martyr/hooker, inspector, replacement man, or possibly some small info based role.
No matter what, Quagsires will not die at night. He is very strongly mafia and they will not think to off him. Why would they off one of their own? Ullar is likely going to be killed for his idiocy unless the mafia have found the real inspector and I'd rather know who the hooker/inspector/other info role has targeted than let him die without any info.
No matter what, Quagsires will not die at night. He is very strongly mafia and they will not think to off him. Why would they off one of their own? Ullar is likely going to be killed for his idiocy unless the mafia have found the real inspector and I'd rather know who the hooker/inspector/other info role has targeted than let him die without any info.
I'd actually agree about that Quagsires bit but for different reasons: if he's scum, he won't get targeted, obviously. But if he's town, he's getting enough suspicion anyway to make scum leaving him in the game worthwhile. Doesn't stop them hooks, though.
You've already generated enough attention around this to make a Ullar NK likely. Guess I approve of this now, then.
You've already generated enough attention around this to make a Ullar NK likely. Guess I approve of this now, then.
Odd that you're solely blaming billymills when I am the user who called Ullar out in the first place. Certainly billy reignited the discussion but it's not like nobody would've noticed even after I stopped replying.
Granted, I did not ask Ullar to claim, and that was because I had not yet made my mind up on whether he should do so.
First time I've noticed it, then.
You're missing vigilante and I am personally uncomfortable with any of these roles claiming, hence my reluctance to say one way or another whether Ullar should claim. However, if Ullar is the alliance checker then he obviously needs to speak up. Sadly, the mafia can infer things just from Ullar remaining silent, so he may as well claim now so that we're all on an even footing instead of the mafia having an advantage by killing him off tonight (since, unless they know a better target and because I think they might shy away from the core group of users until they start lynching each other just based on their choices for kills so far, Ullar is an obvious nightkill candidate), as much as I hate it.
I feel like part of this comes down to whether you believe Quagsires is clean or not and whether Ullar is going to end up sacrificed. I wish I could say easily whether I think there is a possibility Quagsires will die tonight, but that is impossible because Quagsires is not here to tell us his result / if he was hooked.
B_T: I'm the one who drew attention to Ullar slipping up (#799 off the top of my head). And I drew attention to it again because I interpreted you as trying to pin it all on billymills. Regardless of what I think of your alliances, that was an inconsistency I was uncomfortable with letting go by unchallenged, and I'd rather 'own up to it' since I have nothing to hide. I'm not so sure now though since you implied you missed the exchange between Ullar and me. If this is the case then okay, whatever, my misread on the situation.
ETA in response to the below: Sorry, I've really dropped the ball today -- didn't see Quagsires' post.
OK, then that explains why you are so 100% positively absolutely sure he is scum. Interesting risky move on your part to hook the apparent AC, but an effective way of flushing him out (unless PRIORITY OH NO) so I won't really condemn it for the moment. I mean, let's be real, you obviously didn't believe he was AC even before the hook or you wouldn't've risked it.
If Quagsires is dead tomorrow, it'll be at the village's hands, I expect. There's no reason for the mafia to kill him while his very presence sows chaos. And if he is mafia then lol well.
I hooked Quagsires last night and the flavor he posted is completely unlike my own. Quagsires is obviously bullshitting: he must not have used any role yesterday.
If this info is better out now rather than later then I'll just say it.
The rest of my role will be out later, once we get the Mask claim, but I'd just like Quagsires and Ullar to respond to that.
Note: it was a 1-time item-based hook, I am not claiming hooker.
If this info is better out now rather than later then I'll just say it.
The rest of my role will be out later, once we get the Mask claim, but I'd just like Quagsires and Ullar to respond to that.
Note: it was a 1-time item-based hook, I am not claiming hooker.
... Well that's a thing.
I want Quagsires's response to this. I also want to reread connections to Quags now.
I want Quagsires's response to this. I also want to reread connections to Quags now.
Actually, @@Unvote@@. Don't feel as great with this seeing as Quagsires is on this wagon.
edit: Thinking about this, the reason behind lying about hook flavor is illogical both for ScumSires and for TownSires. I am now confused.
edit: Thinking about this, the reason behind lying about hook flavor is illogical both for ScumSires and for TownSires. I am now confused.
WOW no really BT!!!!!!
billy i wonder if only the first hook went through?? i mean IF quag is scum why would he get your item flavor hook then not say it?
unless he thought that was the village hooker and he could get them to claim by not saying.
idk def need quags' defense. I am somewhat inclined to believe billy because this is a stupid offing of himself if he is not village and quag flips villy.
billy i wonder if only the first hook went through?? i mean IF quag is scum why would he get your item flavor hook then not say it?
unless he thought that was the village hooker and he could get them to claim by not saying.
idk def need quags' defense. I am somewhat inclined to believe billy because this is a stupid offing of himself if he is not village and quag flips villy.
So I read that you want me to claim.
I am backup bodyguard. I am also backup something else, but I will not fins out until that person dies.
Yes I agree I am a fool.
I am going to die tonight. Unless you lynch me. But that just gives the mafia a free offing.
How fun, to screw up my first NOC. x.x
I am backup bodyguard. I am also backup something else, but I will not fins out until that person dies.
Yes I agree I am a fool.
I am going to die tonight. Unless you lynch me. But that just gives the mafia a free offing.
How fun, to screw up my first NOC. x.x
billymills said:
Yes, it's illogical, but he didn't have to receive hook flavour at all. Him being like a mafia grunt or whatever is the perfect explanation. The only explanation for them both being town is mafia hooker outprioing. I find that an incredibly weak defence since they weren't in a hurry to hook Quagsires the first time (though like I pointed out before they could've hooked wick to stop him protecting himself). Scum!Quag could've been rolefishing since he knew he was on a timer anyway.
Ullar: Who did you protect last night, and did you receive any indication your protect was successful?
Agreeing with your logic regarding Quagsires. Would like his reply ASAP anyway.
Sorry billy, from what I can tell you are either not telling the truth or you failed to account for priority. However, I can't say for certain until you give me at last some clue to the flavor of the item you are claiming to have used, if you really used it, or if it really did what it said it did (we lost Internet on two fakes of items like this). Also hating rule 3(?) stating I can't quote my flavor now. However, I do note that it is unlikely, if this item exists, for billy to be mafia, as the mafia clearly have their own hooker (or village/wolf that's not doing anything I guess, and it makes sense for the mafia to have their own hooker). I'm sure billy has more info though than he's letting onto, so I'd implore him to reply.
That's...kinda helpful. Did you protect anyone night 2 and if so, who did you protect? I'm honestly not sure what to make of it, since I had assumed you and Scall were good due to not necessarily bright moves, but that bit of information is kinda crucial...
I don't remember seeing backup BG outside of Desktop, and I have seen it claimed many times as a mafia fake for beginner (non NOC) games.
That's...kinda helpful. Did you protect anyone night 2 and if so, who did you protect? I'm honestly not sure what to make of it, since I had assumed you and Scall were good due to not necessarily bright moves, but that bit of information is kinda crucial...
I don't remember seeing backup BG outside of Desktop, and I have seen it claimed many times as a mafia fake for beginner (non NOC) games.
How out of context should I take this quote? My sig?