Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 Move Tutor Moves

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And I just realized something, a potential way to find out compatibility.

You know how the Global Link (inluding the Global Battle Union) updated to account for Black 2 and White 2? Couldn't somebody ... I don't know ... I guess "extract" the information from the site or from the GBU about what pokemon is legal with what moves?

I remember when they were doing that poll that Arceus won (and Ditto lost.... D: ) someone extracted the entire list right down to 493 even though only 100 or so were on the page.

EDIT: Fast pokemon with Sleep Talk and Dragon Tail are going to be awesome, and now Breloom will not be 100% shut-down for a lot of pokemon.

Another edit: Fire Punch Haxorus? Doubt it. Roost and SR Gliscor... tank master...
 
Rayquaza_ said:
Moves like Incinerate and Grass Knot are given to a lot of random things so they don't really count.
There is a clear pattern with the fire/ice/electric fangs/punches/beams/120 base damage attacks, if you fail to notice it then I have nothing to tell you.
Long story short, don't expect Haxorus to be able to learn the elemental punches.
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Where are you getting that? A lot of stuff gets the punches without getting any of the other elemental moves. For instance, Mankey, Primeape, Abra, Kadabra, Alakazam, Gastly, Haunter, Gengar, Drowzee, Hypno, Hitmonchan, Mr. Mime, Electabuzz, Flaafy, Ampharos, Sudowoodo, Aipom, Teddiursa, Ursaring, Elekid, Miltank, Lombre, Ludicolo, Ralts, Kirlia, Gardevoir, Makuhita, Hariyama, Nosepass, Sableye, Meditite, Medicham, Gulpin, Swalot, Grumpig, Spinda, Dusclops, Regirock, Jirachi, Deoxys, Ambipom, Buneary, Lopunny, Gallade, Probopass, Duscnoir, Uxie, Mesprit, Regigigas, Scraggy, and Scrafty all get Fire Punch without getting either Fire Fang, Flamethrower, or Fire Blast.
 
Dark Pulse AND Earth Power on Hydreigon? I'm sold. I'm now thinking of some simple punchy set of Draco Meteor / Dark Pulse / Earth Power / *filler*, where *filler* could be anything from U-turn for lure tactics, Focus Miss, which grants perfect coverage I think, or even Fire Blast to toast Scizor (personal choice).

Just gotta pack some answer to the blobs and Heatran, and dance all day.
 
Nonary Game said:
Dark Pulse AND Earth Power on Hydreigon? I'm sold. I'm now thinking of some simple punchy set of Draco Meteor / Dark Pulse / Earth Power / *filler*, where *filler* could be anything from U-turn for lure tactics, Focus Miss, which grants perfect coverage I think, or even Fire Blast to toast Scizor (personal choice).

Just gotta pack some answer to the blobs and Heatran, and dance all day.
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Don't you have EP?
 
If Haxorus gets Fire Punch, this means perfect coverage. All it needs is Fire Punch and a Dragon move. If it has Mold Breaker, not even Heatran resists Dragon Fire.
 
loads of Heatran run Air Balloon.
Also, I think Flamethrower is generally more worth it than Fire Blast on Hydreigon. However, I think that his most devastating set will become:

Hydreigon @ Life Orb
Modest - Levitate
EVs: 64 HP / 252 SpA / 198 Spe
- Draco Meteor
- Focus Blast / Earth Power
- Flamethrower / Fire Blast
- Roost

Hydreigon is strong enough that it gets all the KOs it needs with Flaemthrower. Ferrothorn, Forretress, Scizor, Skarmory... all fall to it. This is similar to the LO Latios set, except BETTER. One, it's obviously resistant to Pursuit, so it's not fucked up by Tyranitar or Scizor, and it can OHKO and outspeed both of them. Second, it can afford to run Modest, so it packs more power than your typical Latios. It's damn bulky as well. This is gonna be one of my favourite new sets to use, and is probably gonna be great is you partner it up with said Latios for the musketeers.
 
I can see some threats becoming Uber. Moxie DD Outrage Salamence... Oh shit. I don't think that Gliscor would still become broken; Ice Punch balances the fact that now it has Roost. Speaking of wich, what about Quagsire? It now has a physical Ice-type attack to play with :)

Dual Chop... Hum, some Dragons could use this instead of Dragon Claw to break substitutes, but it's accuracy is still disappointing.

Aqua Tail: More pokés using Water-type moves as coverage?

Very good that now Giga Drain and Drain Punch are tutor moves. Peharps they could see more use now.
 
I think it would make more sense if Haxorus got aqua tail rather than fire punch, after all it gets dragon tail eheh. Aqua tail woul be quite useful for Gliscor and balloon Heatran. Fire punch would be optimal in terms of coverage though.
 
I could see Dragon Dance Outrage MoxieMence becoming Uber-same with Terrakion if it gets Ice Punch-it brings his list of counters down to what, Slowbro and Tangrowth? I doubt he will get it, but if he does... Haxorus could possibly be going uber, due to having zero switchins if it gets Fire Punch. Maybe Volcarona if it gets Roost and Earth Power(so long Heatran!).
 
Alucard said:
I think it would make more sense if Haxorus got aqua tail rather than fire punch, after all it gets dragon tail eheh. Aqua tail woul be quite useful for Gliscor and balloon Heatran. Fire punch would be optimal in terms of coverage though.
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Outrage + Fire Punch + Aqua Tail (for Heatran) = Perfect coverage. Imagine a set with the above moves + Earthquake. This would be very, very cool.
 
Alucard said:
I think it would make more sense if Haxorus got aqua tail rather than fire punch, after all it gets dragon tail eheh. Aqua tail woul be quite useful for Gliscor and balloon Heatran. Fire punch would be optimal in terms of coverage though.
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I could not agree more on this comment.
 
Now I always like being on the bright side of things and everything. But I have one little question for all of you. What if B2W2 don't even have move tutors? and if so, what will be they're currency for the moves? Again, not trying to be scrooge but I'm just saying don't get hopes too high. In other words "WHERE'S THE BEEF!!!!!!?"
 
SuperCharizardMaster said:
Now I always like being on the bright side of things and everything. But I have one little question for all of you. What if B2W2 don't even have move tutors? and if so, what will be they're currency for the moves? Again, not trying to be scrooge but I'm just saying don't get hopes too high. In other words "WHERE'S THE BEEF!!!!!!?"
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Try the first post of the thread, where there are actual in-game screenshots of the move tutors.
 
I think Haxorus is not going to obtain any punches, if it cannot learn any fire moves, besides Incinerate which sucks, despite being a Dragon type without being too Water type might be for a reason.

Haxorus with a fire move could be too overpowered, maybe Game Freak thinks it, for this reason Haxorus cannot learn Flamethrower or Fire Blast(albeit they are not going to do too much, with its 60 SpAtt)
 
NoUserName said:
I think Haxorus is not going to obtain any punches, if it cannot learn any fire moves, besides Incinerate which sucks, despite being a Dragon type without being too Water type might be for a reason.

Haxorus with a fire move could be too overpowered, maybe Game Freak thinks it, for this reason Haxorus cannot learn Flamethrower or Fire Blast(albeit they are not going to do too much, with its 60 SpAtt)
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Game Freak only cares about flavor. It wouldn't make sense for Haxorus to get flamethrower because, with the physical strength that it has, why bother? For this same reason, it would make sense for Haxorus to get Fire Punch, as a punch is an extension of its strength.
 
With Gliscor getting Roost and the assumption that Haxorus gets Fire Punch (along with many other pokés), one thing came to my mind: Skarmory, dropping to UU (or to BL). Ah, god. Skarmory, once the premier physical wall, cannot sustain the fact that many Pokémon hit Skarmory super effectively in it's best defensive stat, and Gliscor gets constant recovery, immunity to status, a resistance to Fighting, don't fear Magnezone (in fact, Magnezone fears him) better attack and offensive movepool, and isn't completely shut down by Taunt. Would that be possible? Or I am crazy and Skarmory's Steel tipying, lack of weakness to Ice and Water and acess to Whirlwind and Spikes would be still sufficient to let him not be overshadowed by Gliscor?
 
Dark Fallen Angel said:
With Gliscor getting Roost and the assumption that Haxorus gets Fire Punch (along with many other pokés), one thing came to my mind: Skarmory, dropping to UU (or to BL). Ah, god. Skarmory, once the premier physical wall, cannot sustain the fact that many Pokémon hit Skarmory super effectively in it's best defensive stat, and Gliscor gets constant recovery, immunity to status, a resistance to Fighting, don't fear Magnezone (in fact, Magnezone fears him) better attack and offensive movepool, and isn't completely shut down by Taunt. Would that be possible? Or I am crazy and Skarmory's Steel tipying, lack of weakness to Ice and Water and acess to Whirlwind and Spikes would be still sufficient to let him not be overshadowed by Gliscor?
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Skarmory won't be dropping to UU anytime soon. It has valuable resistances, the ability to lay Spikes, still has excellent bulk, and don't forget that it is immune to Toxic with access to Roost as well. Both have their downfalls, but I think it'll come down to what threats you need covered.
 
IcyMan28 said:
Skarmory won't be dropping to UU anytime soon. It has valuable resistances, the ability to lay Spikes, still has excellent bulk, and don't forget that it is immune to Toxic with access to Roost as well. Both have their downfalls, but I think it'll come down to what threats you need covered.
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I'll give you the resistances and Spikes but Gliscor actually benifits from Toxic.
 
Guys Skarm is in the top 20, its a premier physical wall, if it loses to one more physical attacker, big whoop. It still it a reliable wall for 90% of things, phazer, and a rare spikes setter. Skarm dropping to UU is like Forrtress dropping to UU, its not happening.
 
Scarfwynaut said:
Guys Skarm is in the top 20, its a premier physical wall, if it loses to one more physical attacker, big whoop. It still it a reliable wall for 90% of things, phazer, and a rare spikes setter. Skarm dropping to UU is like Forrtress dropping to UU, its not happening.
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Yes, but if Ferrothorn had Rapid Spin and/or Toxic Spikes, I bet my life that Forretress would be outclassed by Ferrothorn in OU, and would drop to BL if not to UU.

Peharps I'm going mad, but I'm not saying that Skarmory would not be viable in OU, even if it dropped to UU. But if Snorlax dropped to UU after four generations in OU, why not Skarmory? But I think for that, yes, Gliscor would have to have acess to Spikes and/or phazing.
 
Snorlax fell because it could no longer fulfill its main purpose, and there were better options for the other things it could do. So far, there aren't very many Spikers with both phazing and recovery so until that happens, I think Skarmory is safe.
 
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