I mostly agree with PKMN1, though Alakazam is a less solid case since Magic Guard would negate LO recoil anyway. Then again, Modest Mega Alakazam is reportedly stronger and a little faster than Timid Regular Zam, so there's that.
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So you're saying a faster Mewtwo who does LO damage but does not get recoil is not a big deal......really? I never played ubers much if at all, but from what i have read, watched, and heard Mewtwo was already hard to counter if not impossible to counter only possible to check it and that was with it probably taking LO recoil.
And yet Mega-Blaziken it is STILL a better choice it seems than Normal Blaziken so while Gira still stops it, it does not stop the fact it is faster, bulkier, and does about LO damage without recoil.
People seem to be forgetting how important LO recoil and bulk is. LO can get many pokes KOed if they are not careful in what the are fighting and more natural bulk is ALWAYS better.
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Yeah, this goes for a lot of things. Megas with a considerable offense bonus and a Speed boost of 20 or more can usually run a +Atk/SpA nature to gain both a power and speed advantage over their LO +Spe counterparts. And +Spe natures are very popular among offensive Pokemon, including many of the ones that got Megas.
145 speed is literally the same thing as 130 in terms of things it outspeeds. The only somewhat relevant thing is it can run modest and still outsped 252+ Speed arceus but eh.... That's seriously not worth wasting your one mega evo on. Mewtwo might technically be "impossible" to counter but it is easily checked by anything that can take a hit and worst of all, ohko'd by gene if it gets an atk boost. The LO recoil is a non factor considering how mewtwo isn't taking hits from the mons that come to revenge it in the first place... That and mewtwo isn't a good answer to most arceus forms in the first place.
Faster isn't much in ubers since bar the rare scarf terra (shitty check to ekiller imo), everything else standard blaze outspeeds. It still has poor bulk by uber standards. Gira-a doesn't give a crap about blaze since it can easily tank anything and phase it out. Gira-o will heavily dent it with dtail while still taking hits reasonably well.
Yet they still both a better choice than their LO counterparts, does not matter how you want to say it, it is. Even if it is as simple as no Recoil that can be EXTREMELY helpful for pokemon. Also Mega-Mewtwo Y has decent Sp.Def so that can help it as well.
Which is a better megaevolution - Mega mewtwo X or mega mewtwo Y? Also is mega aerodactyl any good?
Better? Sure. In terms of actual important improvements over standard mewtwo? None
Increased SpD is a horrible thing to have considering it guarantees genes atk boost.
Wasting your one Mega slot? People need to stop thinking this concept is actually a thing that will matter. It's not even sensible in OU, and this is Ubers, where every other Mega is so much less practical. Unless you're running Gengar, what are you going to do with that slot better than eliminating Mewtwo's LO recoil? Eliminate Blaziken's LO recoil?
Mewtwo X is hot. Mega Luca is hot. Mega gengar is hot.
Rest? Not so much. Screw how overrated megablaze SB + bp got, standard blaze gets that as well so it really has no niche now.
Mewtwo Y is just a glorified mewtwo, it's been constantly discussed on how mewtwo is far more overrated than how it actually is.
True. What a shame. Banette needs more love! But the little we know leaves me really curious.
I'm having the hardest time picking between Mega Lucario and Mega Gengar. I guess it's probably safe to assume that Mega Lucario is the better of the two.
Better is subjective and they both do completely different things.
On the topic of Mega Banette, this is from GameFAQs:
The stats are right here, for the ones that one to calculate.
Banette - Mega Banette Lv48
Frisk - Pranskey
HP 129 - 129
ATK 106 - 149
DEF 67 - 77
S.ATK 93- 102
S.DEF 81- 102
SPD 81 - 91
Nature and IVs are unknown.
Thorhammer Just because we can't talk about tiers doesn't mean we're not thinking about them. That's the reason why we're talking about Mega's that aren't blatantly OP.
The stats are right here, for the ones that one to calculate.
Banette - Mega Banette Lv48
Frisk - Pranskey
HP 129 - 129
ATK 106 - 149
DEF 67 - 77
S.ATK 93- 102
S.DEF 81- 102
SPD 81 - 91
Nature and IVs are unknown.
Thorhammer Just because we can't talk about tiers doesn't mean we're not thinking about them. That's the reason why we're talking about Mega's that aren't blatantly OP.
Hello, I'm Adamant Life Orb Blaziken. In Ubers, with Sun up and with a Swords Dance, I can ONE HIT KILL Giratina in either forme with Flare Blitz! And now I can do it without Life Orb recoil!
It needs to be at +6 adamant LO with a sun boosted flare blitz to ohko gira-a and +4 to ohko gira-o. But yes blaze can ohko them in that very likely scenario.
No, wait, I was thinking 2HKO. Which you should be able to get on Gira A because he can't do damage to you without Earthquake.
Def Gira-A can tank anything vs Blaziken,while being able to phaze it with Dtail/Roar.Blaziken can't do anything especially in rain.Also no one in their right mind would use EQ on Gira-A idk what you're talking about.
Calcs:
252+ Atk Life Orb Blaziken Flare Blitz vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Giratina in sun: 126-148 (25.04 - 29.42%) -- guaranteed 5HKO
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Blaziken Flare Blitz vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Giratina in sun: 251-296 (49.9 - 58.84%) -- 74.22% chance to 2HKO(assuming lefties,it decreases its chances to 2HKO)
252+ Atk Life Orb Blaziken Flare Blitz vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Giratina: 83-99 (16.5 - 19.68%) -- possible 7HKO
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Blaziken Flare Blitz vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Giratina: 168-198 (33.39 - 39.36%) -- 14.45% chance to 3HKO
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Blaziken Flare Blitz vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Giratina in rain: 82-97 (16.3 - 19.28%) -- possible 8HKO
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Does Mega Medicham have OU potential? It's attack stat becomes even more insane, and it hits base 100 Speed which is pretty cool!
I can see it being particularly dangerous with Tailwind support from Talonflame or something. :O
I can see it being particularly dangerous with Tailwind support from Talonflame or something. :O
blaze isn't known for its longevity....... You might as well give deo-a a megaform that has similar damage to LO deo-a and call it a day.
Seconding Haruno on this one.Blaziken isn't supposed to tank hits or anything but late game sweep when checks have been dealt with.Due to its ability,it'll be faster than most of the pokes anyways.But it'd be nice to take less damage from stuff like Extremespeed I guess,so it's not that mega ken is totally non-viable.It's just that one mega per poke rule makes it hard for it to make a spot on the team with this many mega Pokemon around.
Sun is unlikely to be up.
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