Pokémon Gengar

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Still keeps happening.

Either the stats are wrong, or Breloom bot his speed boosted.

Edit : Which he didn't, he got 134 speed at max investment at level 50, I got the same.

ANyway, I'll battle a bit and see if I can get it on video. It happens pretty much on all gengars too so it should be easy.
 
As I said I'll try battling a lot on WiFi and see what happens.

I don't have a mean to film though, so I'll have to give the video's code and have people watch it.
 
Alright then. I was outsped. It means people are idiot then, because I've outsped many gengars from different people. Happened a good 4-5 times.

I was sure I was onto something there, guess not!

Maybe there's some weird -Spe nature gengar build running around we aren't aware of.
 
Even though Gengar gets Sludge Wave from Dream World, it's no longer available. Even if you have it in your Entree Forest, because you can't use Synchronize, soft resetting for the right nature AND great IVs will be extremely tedious. Not to mention we can't use PokeGen since Poke Transporter will block hacks so...Sludge Bomb is the best choice.
And if you're really worried about Bulletproof Chesnaught, just run Dazzling Gleam as a coverage move.
 
Aura Flare Riolu said:
Even though Gengar gets Sludge Wave from Dream World, it's no longer available. Even if you have it in your Entree Forest, because you can't use Synchronize, soft resetting for the right nature AND great IVs will be extremely tedious. Not to mention we can't use PokeGen since Poke Transporter will block hacks so...Sludge Bomb is the best choice.
And if you're really worried about Bulletproof Chesnaught, just run Dazzling Gleam as a coverage move.
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Ingame it's a pain, but that's not a concern on simulators.
 
The separate Perish Song Gengar set I've been thinking about is this:

Gengar@Genarite
Timid
Shadow Tag

Protect
Sub
Shadow Ball
Perish Song

Basically spam Shadow Ball and take down as many enemies as you can with the help of substitute and protect until you longer can, then use Perish Song to either take them down with you or make the enemy that kills you set up bait and force it to switch. I think this is distinct enough from the Hypnosis set to merit a seperate enemy, if anyone has any comments on EVing please do so.
 
So I don't really know anything about tiering or how it's decided... but is it possible for Gengar to remain OU but Mega Gengar be Uber?

Because if you don't use Gengarite he really hasn't changed too much to push him to Ubers normally, correct?
 
N7 Grimstar said:
So I don't really know anything about tiering or how it's decided... but is it possible for Gengar to remain OU but Mega Gengar be Uber?

Because if you don't use Gengarite he really hasn't changed too much to push him to Ubers normally, correct?
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If it comes down to that, they'll just ban Gengarite as an item
 
I came up with a set for Gengar not listed in the OP. Given Gengar's immunities to Fighting and Normal, it is simple to set up Calm Minds if you run into Choiced users of those moves. If you get 6 Calm Minds and a Substitute in, good game.

Keep Calm and Sweep:
Gengar
Ability: Levitate->Shadow Tag
Item: Gengarite
Nature: Modest/Timid
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
-Substitute
-Calm Mind
-Shadow Ball
-Dazzling Gleam

Gengar gets Dazzling Gleam, which basically completes its Ghost/Fairy coverage. While it's not as strong as Sludge Bomb or Focus Blast, it lets Gengar not be completely walled by Chesnaught (which I still find funny), and it would let Mega Gengar basically kill all Choiced or mono-attacking Fighting or Normal moves. I remember using a similar set with Chandelure in Dream World, but Mega Gengar does it better. Come in on a Choiced Normal or Fighting attack, set up a free sub and 6 free Calm Minds. You get perfect coverage except for Pyroar (which is 2HKOed by a +5 Dazzling Gleam if it runs 252/252+, otherwise, less boosts will work.), and you literally 2HKO every unboosted Pokemon in existence except Blissey (98.83% chance to 2HKO at +6 with Modest after SR!) and Chansey at +6. You also OHKO Shuckle after SR in Sand, you destroy Tyranitar, and you OHKO Arceus-Normal after SR. Every other Arceus form is taken down similarly easily.

It's not perfect, since faster Infiltrator mons can stop it, and breaking its Substitute and then killing it (requires 2 faster mons, kinda hard) works too, but if used in the correct conditions, it can and WILL sweep entire teams, regardless of which tier it ends up in.
 
Stallion said:
To ubers. By nature its a tier where anything goes and nothing is banned - aside from evasion and sleep clause which are seen as uncompetitive. But nothing gets banned from ubers for being too powerful!
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Wuuut. Evasion's not banned in ubers. Moody is, but... Evasion? Naww. Evasion banning is 4 pussies.
#freedoubleteam
 
AOPSUser said:
I came up with a set for Gengar not listed in the OP. Given Gengar's immunities to Fighting and Normal, it is simple to set up Calm Minds if you run into Choiced users of those moves. If you get 6 Calm Minds and a Substitute in, good game.

Keep Calm and Sweep:
Gengar
Ability: Levitate->Shadow Tag
Item: Gengarite
Nature: Modest/Timid
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
-Substitute
-Calm Mind
-Shadow Ball
-Dazzling Gleam

Gengar gets Dazzling Gleam, which basically completes its Ghost/Fairy coverage. While it's not as strong as Sludge Bomb or Focus Blast, it lets Gengar not be completely walled by Chesnaught (which I still find funny), and it would let Mega Gengar basically kill all Choiced or mono-attacking Fighting or Normal moves. I remember using a similar set with Chandelure in Dream World, but Mega Gengar does it better. Come in on a Choiced Normal or Fighting attack, set up a free sub and 6 free Calm Minds. You get perfect coverage except for Pyroar (which is 2HKOed by a +5 Dazzling Gleam if it runs 252/252+, otherwise, less boosts will work.), and you literally 2HKO every unboosted Pokemon in existence except Blissey (98.83% chance to 2HKO at +6 with Modest after SR!) and Chansey at +6. You also OHKO Shuckle after SR in Sand, you destroy Tyranitar, and you OHKO Arceus-Normal after SR. Every other Arceus form is taken down similarly easily.

It's not perfect, since faster Infiltrator mons can stop it, and breaking its Substitute and then killing it (requires 2 faster mons, kinda hard) works too, but if used in the correct conditions, it can and WILL sweep entire teams, regardless of which tier it ends up in.
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Two things:

1. Since when did Gengar get CM?
2. Sludge Wave isn't stopped by Chestnaught and is a pretty powerful STAB option.
 
Stallion said:
Two things:

1. Since when did Gengar get CM?
2. Sludge Wave isn't stopped by Chestnaught and is a pretty powerful STAB option.
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It...gets...like...100 other moves...but not CM? TrollFreak shows its work yet again. Also Sludge Wave will only be legal come December.
 
The biggest question I have is who in the right mind would send out Chesnaught against Gengar.

What's it going to do? Bite Gengar to death?

Edit: Well I'll be dammed. It can learn Shadow Claw and Pain Split. Its still not a good match up since its STABs are useless on Gengar and Gengar is faster.
 
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Once the pokebank comes out Gengar will have no reason to use sludge bomb over wave outside of sub/disable (which doesn't even run psn coverage).

The chance to poison isn't worth being walled by bullet proof, and the drop in base power to boot.
 
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