Other 6th Gen Pokemon OU Candidate Speculation Thread

[Kairyu_Gen1]

Zygarde is definitely OU, and anyone who says differently just isn't using him right. No he's not the best sweeper like garchomp, and not the best tank like hippowdon, but his unusual stats in Atk, Def, and Spe let him work outside the system to get a lot of easy kills. His speed lets him beat just the right opponents, and for the rest there's extremespeed, his defence (and decent hp) let him get boosts off easy so he's rarely less than +2 (at least when I use him) which makes up for his "low" attack. His access to earthquake and stone edge (goodbye stonemiss if you're using coil) give him fine coverage and I think he's not only one of the best pokemon released this gen, but one of the most unique and fun to use in general. I guess you could say his weird playing style will leave him short in the usage department, but that's not his fault (well it sort is, but who cares?), its the metagame's fault for preaching the importance of having a set role. Anyway, even if this guy doesn't get enough usage to be tiered as OU, he's too strong for UU and will be BL'd meaning he'll still sort of be OU and still a perfectly viable option on an OU team.

P.S. sorry if I sound like I'm arguing with myself, I've had this discussion many times in the Zygarde thread and I can't discount the points that were brought up.

 

[Tressed]

Zygarde is definitely OU, and anyone who says differently just isn't using him right. No he's not the best sweeper like garchomp, and not the best tank like hippowdon, but his unusual stats in Atk, Def, and Spe let him work outside the system to get a lot of easy kills. His speed lets him beat just the right opponents, and for the rest there's extremespeed, his defence (and decent hp) let him get boosts off easy so he's rarely less than +2 (at least when I use him) which makes up for his "low" attack. His access to earthquake and stone edge (goodbye stonemiss if you're using coil) give him fine coverage and I think he's not only one of the best pokemon released this gen, but one of the most unique and fun to use in general. I guess you could say his weird playing style will leave him short in the usage department, but that's not his fault (well it sort is, but who cares?), its the metagame's fault for preaching the importance of having a set role. Anyway, even if this guy doesn't get enough usage to be tiered as OU, he's too strong for UU and will be BL'd meaning he'll still sort of be OU and still a perfectly viable option on an OU team.

P.S. sorry if I sound like I'm arguing with myself, I've had this discussion many times in the Zygarde thread and I can't discount the points that were brought up.

Actually, I'd say that Zygarde is a better setup sweeper than Garchomp. Chomp is a better cleaner with a Choice Scarf and a better wallbreaker with Swords Dance, but it can't sweep teams because it has no way to boost its speed. Zygarde gets Dragon Dance, Coil, and Extremespeed, so it can sweep properly after a boost or two.

But yeah, using him like an inferior Garchomp will result in him feeling like an inferior Garchomp. Expect to smash faces after one turn and I guarantee you'll be disappointed, because that's not Zygarde.

 

[Monte Cristo]

Zygarde can't sweep well because it's weak as shit, it's either you play him like an inferior dragonite, garchomp, or hippowdon/landot/gliscor, it's movepool is not as good as it's hyped up to be, bulky dd is better done by dragonite, offensive dd just pales in comparison to salamence and lum dd nite, espeed is only good if it hits off AT LEAST 90 atk with STAB or 120 without, and coil is just a shitty gimmick that doesn't patch zygardes 3 weak spots well enough: attack, speed and sdef, amd glare honsetly is asking for a sub/ electric (like rotomw) mon to set up on you, and no zygarde is not a better sweeper than garchomp, subSD and yache chomp were top class sweepers in OU and in general garchomp should dilute zygardes usage just because it's so fucking good compared to zygarde and I just cannot see this thing being anything more than flygon 1.5

Actually, I'd say that Zygarde is a better setup sweeper than Garchomp. Chomp is a better cleaner with a Choice Scarf and a better wallbreaker with Swords Dance, but it can't sweep teams because it has no way to boost its speed. Zygarde gets Dragon Dance, Coil, and Extremespeed, so it can sweep properly after a boost or two.

But yeah, using him like an inferior Garchomp will result in him feeling like an inferior Garchomp. Expect to smash faces after one turn and I guarantee you'll be disappointed, because that's not Zygarde.

 

[Kairyu_Gen1]

Zygarde can't sweep well because it's weak as shit, it's either you play him like an inferior dragonite, garchomp, or hippowdon/landot/gliscor, it's movepool is not as good as it's hyped up to be, bulky dd is better done by dragonite, offensive dd just pales in comparison to salamence and lum dd nite, espeed is only good if it hits off AT LEAST 90 atk with STAB or 120 without, and coil is just a shitty gimmick that doesn't patch zygardes 3 weak spots well enough: attack, speed and sdef, amd glare honsetly is asking for a sub/ electric (like rotomw) mon to set up on you, and no zygarde is not a better sweeper than garchomp, subSD and yache chomp were top class sweepers in OU and in general garchomp should dilute zygardes usage just because it's so fucking good compared to zygarde and I just cannot see this thing being anything more than flygon 1.5

Um, we've made it pretty clear that you can't try to play Zygarde like garchomp or hippowdon, and with coil, Zygarde can beat any physical dragon 1v1 with ease (except weaknite, but whatever). There's not a single fairy out there that can beat Zygarde as they're all beaten by either earthquake or stone edge (that accuracy boost isn't so laughable now, is it?), so its only real weakness is ice (specifically ice beam or HP ice on non ice types, ice types are usually OHKO'd by stone edge), and that's never stopped dragonite, salamence, and garchomp

 

[Monte Cristo]

Um, we've made it pretty clear that you can't try to play Zygarde like garchomp or hippowdon, and with coil, Zygarde can beat any physical dragon 1v1 with ease (except weaknite, but whatever). There's not a single fairy out there that can beat Zygarde as they're all beaten by either earthquake or stone edge (that accuracy boost isn't so laughable now, is it?), so its only real weakness is ice (specifically ice beam or HP ice on non ice types, ice types are usually OHKO'd by stone edge), and that's never stopped dragonite, salamence, and garchomp

All fairies that can try can beat zygarde, sylveon, azumarill, togekiss, heck even florges with its lack of physical bulkyness. And I don't know what kind of drugs you're on but most dragons ko it w/o the boost and most can 2ko -ko with the boost I'm going to stoo this arguement now before it starts being even less logicial, obviously I think people just use this thing because of the "shiny new toy" effect of kalos mons but w/e

 

[AOPSUser]

All fairies that can try can beat zygarde, sylveon, azumarill, togekiss, heck even florges with its lack of physical bulkyness. And I don't know what kind of drugs you're on but most dragons ko it w/o the boost and most can 2ko -ko with the boost I'm going to stoo this arguement now before it starts being even less logicial, obviously I think people just use this thing because of the "shiny new toy" effect of kalos mons but w/e

So don't try to go sweeping before all the things that can OHKO you with boosts are dead or in KO range of your Extremespeed?

It's not that hard.

Also it tanks physical hits better than Hippowdon.

 

[Kairyu_Gen1]

All fairies that can try can beat zygarde, sylveon, azumarill, togekiss, heck even florges with its lack of physical bulkyness. And I don't know what kind of drugs you're on but most dragons ko it w/o the boost and most can 2ko -ko with the boost I'm going to stoo this arguement now before it starts being even less logicial, obviously I think people just use this thing because of the "shiny new toy" effect of kalos mons but w/e

before claiming to know anything about this pokemon, try reading its thread. With 1 coil, Zygarde can survive a dragon claw from most physical dragons, and KO it with a stone edge extreme speed combo. Exceptions include choice band users and weaknite, but the idea that this guy's inferior to any common physical dragon is absurd. As for the fairies, Zygarde can outspeed and KO with earthquake or stone edge, so neither physical dragons, nor fairies work as counters to this guy, and some don't even work as a check.

 

[CyclicCompound]

Zygarde can't sweep well because it's weak as shit, it's either you play him like an inferior dragonite, garchomp, or hippowdon/landot/gliscor, it's movepool is not as good as it's hyped up to be

You sound like you expect Zygarde to do everything, and better than everything else in that regard. While Zygarde certainly can't do everything well, no other Pokemon can either, and Zygarde definitely has valuable niches that can't be discounted.

bulky dd is better done by dragonite

You say that bulky DD is better done by Dragonite, but I find this to be simply untrue. While Dragonite has immense capabilities with Multiscale, it's not like Multiscale makes it into some magical tank that won't ever die, as this is easily handled. On the other hand, Zygarde has an undeniably awesome typing both offensively and defensively, and it has defensive stats that make even Hippowdon jealous, so Zygarde's bulkiness is not something you can argue against.

offensive dd just pales in comparison to salamence and lum dd nite, espeed is only good if it hits off AT LEAST 90 atk with STAB or 120 without

Neither Dragonite nor Salamence have STAB Earthquake, one of the most powerful tools in the metagame. Think of the STAB boost like a free attack boost. Wouldn't Salamence and Dragonite just love that? Besides, Salamence and Zygarde are almost too disparate to compare. The bulk difference, ability difference, and movepool difference (namely Zygarde's access to E-speed) is what puts them in almost completely different fields. E-speed is also not as weak as you think: Scarf Rotom, something that would normally threaten Zygarde's sweep, can be hit for roughly 47% to 56% damage after a boost. That's low enough that you can rely on teammates to weaken Zygarde's counters to the point where Zygarde is no longer hindered by their presence.

coil is just a shitty gimmick that doesn't patch zygardes 3 weak spots well enough: attack, speed and sdef, amd glare honsetly is asking for a sub/ electric (like rotomw) mon to set up on you

Hating on coil and glare? Take a step back for a second. If you're implying that coil doesn't make Zygarde into an incredibly fearsome threat, then I think there's an issue with how you're thinking. With Zygarde's stats, a single coil makes it into one of the most fearsome tanks I can think of. It lets it reliably use Stone Miss Edge to take out Togekiss, Dragon Tail to mess up Skarmory, and most importantly gives it an extremely viable fighting chance against the hordes of physical attackers present in the metagame. A Pokemon with Hippowdon-like defenses is not going down easily after a +1 defense boost, and a +1 attack boost just makes it that much more threatening.

Glare, on the other hand, is a great way for Zygarde to deal with its <100 speed. If the opponent sends in a counter not an electric type, you're paralyzing it and giving yourself a good chance to not only outspeed it but also knock it out with a +1 EQ or Outrage the next time they switch in. I think it's extremely potent in the right hands.

and no zygarde is not a better sweeper than garchomp, subSD and yache chomp were top class sweepers in OU and in general garchomp should dilute zygardes usage just because it's so fucking good compared to zygarde and I just cannot see this thing being anything more than flygon 1.5

No. Zygarde is not worse than Garchomp. They are two different takes on the same typing, and two different playstyles as per the arguments I've outlined above. Yes, Garchomp is a fearful sweeper. No, Zygarde cannot do many of the things Garchomp can do. But Garchomp can't do many of the things Zygarde can do, and if you think it can, you're missing out. Again, stop comparing Zygarde to Garchomp, and DEFINITELY stop comparing this thing to Flygon. That's just like trying to compare Rayquaza to Altaria.

 

[NotSoClutch]

All fairies that can try can beat zygarde, sylveon, azumarill, togekiss, heck even florges with its lack of physical bulkyness. And I don't know what kind of drugs you're on but most dragons ko it w/o the boost and most can 2ko -ko with the boost I'm going to stoo this arguement now before it starts being even less logicial, obviously I think people just use this thing because of the "shiny new toy" effect of kalos mons but w/e

You should look at the zygarde thread. Plenty of people seem to understand how to use it. Maybe you can learn to as well. Zygarde is fantastic because it can take hits like no other sweeper I have ever seen. Dragonite is the closest in bulk, but its bulk is completely screwed over by stealth rocks.

 

[Tressed]

Zygarde can't sweep well because it's weak as shit, it's either you play him like an inferior dragonite, garchomp, or hippowdon/landot/gliscor, it's movepool is not as good as it's hyped up to be, bulky dd is better done by dragonite, offensive dd just pales in comparison to salamence and lum dd nite, espeed is only good if it hits off AT LEAST 90 atk with STAB or 120 without, and coil is just a shitty gimmick that doesn't patch zygardes 3 weak spots well enough: attack, speed and sdef, amd glare honsetly is asking for a sub/ electric (like rotomw) mon to set up on you, and no zygarde is not a better sweeper than garchomp, subSD and yache chomp were top class sweepers in OU and in general garchomp should dilute zygardes usage just because it's so fucking good compared to zygarde and I just cannot see this thing being anything more than flygon 1.5

1. Bulky DD is done better by Dragonite IF you can guarantee that Stealth Rocks or Sand are never in play and IF you see no use in STAB Earthquake and IF you wanted to go Bulky DD with Zygarde at all, which makes little sense given that it gets Coil and Extremespeed.

2. You will be disappointed by offensive DD Zygarde because yes, it is outclassed by other Dragons. Yes, I mentionned this.

3. The only move options I would want on it are Recover and maybe Sacred Fire to smack Skarmory.

4. ESpeed is an absolute godsend for Zygarde, who can use it so it can invest in its bulk so it can set up multiple boosts so it can smash things with ESpeed.

5. Coil is a straight upgrade from Bulk Up. What makes Coil a gimmick, exactly? It makes it bulky so it can set up multiple boosts, which in turn pets Extremespeed become very powerful, letting Zygarde deal with faster attackers.

6. Garchomp does not sweep. It either cleans with Choice Scarf or it wallbreaks with Band or Swords Dance. Garchomp is too slow to sweep. Zygarde can sweep because it can boost its speed / has Extremespeed and its offences.

7. Flygon is completely outclassed by Garchomp, barring U-Turn. Zygarde can do things garchomp wishes it could. Despite their typing, Garchomp and Zygarde do very different things and thus cannot be directly compared.


On a related note, Mega ChainChomp breaks quite a few of Zygarde's counters. Bring an Ice resist and raise some hell, people.

 

[Ruffles]

Zygarde is most likely OU, if you are saying it's gonna drop to UU then you are saying it's worse than Kyurem, which is probably impossible, with bulk to survive a DD, access to Extreme Speed, and STAB EQ, it has some nice niche, not saying Uber, but saying some good poke in OU, however it'll make Flygon only dream of OU, in OU where Garchomp and Zygarde are, Flygon shouldn't and wouldn't be there.

And Bro you complain about speed and then you complain about glare, glare is to solve speed if you don't want DD.

And Aegislash has like 12 sets, I mean I use friggin' POWER TRICK STANCE CHANGE to confuse the opponent, it let me stay in attack mode and take so little damage, he was so confused lol, it made me stall him out, was laughing so hard.

 

[Richitt]

Wait, aegislash can learn power trick? Oh wow. Still seems better to just king's shield though, or am I missing something here?



Zygarde could end up BL if there isn't enough usage - and I haven't seen much of him so far.

 

[CyclicCompound]

Wait, aegislash can learn power trick? Oh wow. Still seems better to just king's shield though, or am I missing something here?



Zygarde could end up BL if there isn't enough usage - and I haven't seen much of him so far.

Agreed. I haven't seen much of Zygarde either, which surprises me. Most of the opponents I faced that DID use Zygarde used it rather well, so I'm surprised it's not catching on.

If I had to guess, it's the level of team support that Zygarde requires if it wishes to play an offensive role, and even the level of team support required to play it defensively, too, that explains why it gets such little usage. It's not all that easy to just slap on a team—there are certain threats that Zygarde needs its teammates to handle. It's not like Trevenant or Genesect where you can kind of just throw it in there and it'll just about be guaranteed to do something. Now, this doesn't detract from Zygarde as a whole—it's still a very great Pokemon—but unless Zygarde is an integral and supported member of your team, it could end up useless. I feel this is what leads a lot of people either not to use it or to disregard its prowess. The two Pokemon it's most compared to, Dragonite and Garchomp, both function reasonably well as relatively standalone sweepers. However, Zygarde's potential is enormous, and I don't think nearly enough people realize how effective Zygarde can be when its teammates can help create an ideal environment for it.

I think it'll be OU once more people are exposed to it being used correctly, and not like a mediocre slap-on for the sake of trying it out.

 

[Mood4food77]

Aegislash: Awesome typing, stats, ability, and is really versatile with what it can run. For sure OU.
Talonflame: Gale Wings = priority flying attacks, talonflame gets brave bird, priority brave bird is stupid, OU for sure
Greninja: Protean effectively gives it STAB on everything, and combined with his speed and above average SpA, he'll be OU
Trevanant: His typing and abilities give him some awesome hidden bulk, he'll be OU
Goomy: This thing has really surprised me, it's bulk is absurd. If it wasn't for blissey, he would be the premier special wall this gen. He'll be used a lot
Klefki: I honestly see this thing being OU, priority spikes and screens is no joke. It also has arguably the best defensive typing in the game.
Zygarde: He'll be OU, he's too good not to be, coil sets are awesome.
Diggersby: He could be a real solid revenge killer, his choice band quick attack is actually stronger than azumarill's. He doesn't have the typing but he is definitely useable.

most of the other pokes i feel are outclassed

 

[Itachi655]

Personally I think goodra has a good chance of being OU due to its options. it learns curse and has a decent physical movepool(power whip/outrage) making it a physcial attacker. Also has access to poison armour doubling its 70 base def leaving its 150 spD unboosted and with 90 hp can function as a wall too. 110 spA with a good special movepool and 252 def 252 spA and assault vest/weakness policy can function as a special attacker too.

 

[lordkira]

I really do expect to see Lucario's usage skyrocket due to its mega form's ridiculous offensive prowess.
The thing's physical set alone is fucking insane.
Yet, it can also run a special set that's just as good (mixed set to a lesser degree).
The thing rips stall and offensive teams apart.
It's definitely not the easiest thing to transform but it's not as hard as one might think tbh.
I understand Mega Khan is a beast and I know what I am about to say will not be agreed upon by many, if not most, others.
But I do believe Mega Lucario is just as good, if not overall more threatening, than Mega Khan.

I'd love to hear out what othres have to say about Mega Lucario and its standings in the current/future OU scene.

 

[Richitt]

Diggersby's too slow, imo, and quick attack as a priority has some problems, due to the abundance of steel/ghost types now. And I don't just mean aegislash.

I'm still thinking Noivern's going to be great. It's been working great for me - that speed tier is so useful for revenge killing nearly every dragon that doesn't attempt a DD set up.

 

[Lord Ninjax]

Yeah, thinking that Diggersby will make it to OU on the back of Huge Power STAB priority like Azumarill is messed up. Azumarill has Belly Drum (Not sure if Diggersby gets that), A better priority move for coverage, better bulk to play Belly Drum with and a WAY better typing. Diggersby'll be in High RU at the least, but OU is still a long shot for it

 

[Lord Ninjax]

Noivern is good but not a clear cut OU though. It can revenge kill drags, but its forced to use specs to get decent damage, and is Stealth Rock weak. Most Fairies are Special Walls and can hard counter Noivern, while Specs Noivern can also get locked into Draco Meteor and be used for setup fodder by steels. Not saying Noivern is bad, just not really suited for this gen OU

 

[lordkira]

I guess I was wrong about lucario getting higher usage

I expected to see this thing as a top 5 threat and top 10 in usage very soon but I was wrong

 

[Five Green]

Noivern is good but not a clear cut OU though. It can revenge kill drags, but its forced to use specs to get decent damage, and is Stealth Rock weak. Most Fairies are Special Walls and can hard counter Noivern, while Specs Noivern can also get locked into Draco Meteor and be used for setup fodder by steels. Not saying Noivern is bad, just not really suited for this gen OU

I think Noivern might be low OU just because of Frisk's utility. It offers a lot of strategic advantage to its trainer.

 

[Olijolly]

I guess I was wrong about lucario getting higher usage

I expected to see this thing as a top 5 threat and top 10 in usage very soon but I was wrong

I too thought we were going to see a lot more lucario but I'm not sure why it's usage went down even more.

Since he's one of the 4 that the ou council is looking into as a potential suspect its more of a shock as why such a monster would be so low in usage.

Ofc usage=\=power, but I still expected higher than 22 and 19 for locations place on the nov ladder

Maybe mega location isn't so borderline broken after all. Id love to hear what others think about locario'd future in ou

 

[sparktrain]

I too thought we were going to see a lot more lucario but I'm not sure why it's usage went down even more.

Since he's one of the 4 that the ou council is looking into as a potential suspect its more of a shock as why such a monster would be so low in usage.

Ofc usage=\=power, but I still expected higher than 22 and 19 for locations place on the nov ladder

Maybe mega location isn't so borderline broken after all. Id love to hear what others think about locario'd future in ou

I think people are just more attracted to Mega Khan's versatility right now, as it is also a powerful physical attacker.

However, I personally enjoy using Mega Luc. Adaptability is just that great of an ability. Plus, its 112 base speed is really trollish; you outspeed things you wouldn't expect like Gengar and the Lati twins.

 

[skies]

Reposting what I wrote in the Mandibuzz thread:
Mandibuzz is likely leaving its cruel place in NU this generation. I'm calling it the "Gen Of Mandibuzz". This thing wonderfully counters pretty much all the top OU Threats at the moment. Here are calculations to prove it:
252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Mandibuzz: 252-297 (69.8 - 82.2%)
252+ Atk Choice Band Aegislash-Blade Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Mandibuzz: 255-301 (70.6 - 83.3%)
just for the record, it takes this for Aegislash to OHKO Mandibuzz:
252+ SpA Choice Specs Aegislash-Blade Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mandibuzz: 374-442 (103.6 - 122.4%)
It can't even get Ice Beam, so. Despite the odd Head Smash:
252+ Atk Choice Band Aegislash-Blade Head Smash vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Mandibuzz: 638-752 (176.7 - 208.3%)
which at that:
252+ Atk Choice Band Aegislash-Blade Head Smash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mandibuzz: 418-492 (98.5 - 116%)
it might not even OHKO at Mandibuzz. Safe to assume that Mandibuzz is quite possibly the best counter to Aegislash out there! Here's calcs with Foul Play:
0- Atk Mandibuzz Foul Play vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Aegislash-Blade: 314-372 (96.9 - 114.8%)
0- Atk Mandibuzz Foul Play vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Shield: 134-158 (41.3 - 48.7%)
Even then, you can just Taunt it to not allow it to become Shield forme! It even takes Special Hits like a boss:
252+ SpA Choice Specs Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Mandibuzz: 306-362 (72.1 - 85.3%)
Not even a OHKO. Then we have Hydro Pump:
252+ SpA Choice Specs Greninja Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Mandibuzz: 187-222 (44.1 - 52.3%)
Next, let's look at Kangaskhan:
252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Return vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Mandibuzz: 285-337 (78.9 - 93.3%)
Please, how is this thing not one of the greatest walls in OU? Then, we have Scizor and Mega Scizor:
252+ Atk Technician Mega Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Mandibuzz: 127-151 (35.1 - 41.8%)
+2 252+ Atk Technician Mega Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Mandibuzz: 255-301 (70.6 - 83.3%)
252+ Atk Mega Scizor U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Mandibuzz: 150-177 (41.5 - 49%)
+2 252+ Atk Mega Scizor U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Mandibuzz: 298-352 (82.5 - 97.5%)
252+ Atk Choice Band Technician Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Mandibuzz: 172-204 (47.6 - 56.5%)
252+ Atk Choice Band Scizor U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Mandibuzz: 202-238 (55.9 - 65.9%)
252+ Atk Mega Scizor U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Mandibuzz: 150-177 (41.5 - 49%)
meanwhile,
+2 0 Atk Mandibuzz Foul Play vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Scizor: 283-334 (82.2 - 97%)
+2 0 Atk Mandibuzz Foul Play vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Scizor: 340-402 (98.8 - 116.8%)
Next up, Rotom-W, dominating the usage charts!
252+ SpA Rotom-W Volt Switch vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Mandibuzz: 254-300 (70.3 - 83.1%)
252+ SpA Rotom-W Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Mandibuzz: 198-234 (54.8 - 64.8%)
252+ SpA Rotom-W Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Mandibuzz: 324-384 (89.7 - 106.3%)
Yeah, so Rotom-W can just barely hope to OHKO this thing. Finally, let's look at Gengar:
252+ SpA Choice Specs Gengar Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Mandibuzz: 125-147 (34.6 - 40.7%)
252+ SpA Choice Specs Gengar Sludge Wave vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Mandibuzz: 297-351 (82.2 - 97.2%)
252+ SpA Choice Specs Gengar Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Mandibuzz: 376-444 (104.1 - 122.9%)
252+ SpA Choice Specs Gengar Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Mandibuzz: 250-295 (69.2 - 81.7%)
It takes Choice Specs, 252+, Gengar, with Thunderbolt to OHKO him. These are just the top 6 OU Threats on the Usage charts, but wow. Obviously, these are odd, but I was showing that even with Max Power vs. Minimum Power, Mandibuzz is still hard to take down. I honestly think it could break its way into OU this Generation!

 

[lordkira]

I think people are just more attracted to Mega Khan's versatility right now, as it is also a powerful physical attacker.

However, I personally enjoy using Mega Luc. Adaptability is just that great of an ability. Plus, its 112 base speed is really trollish; you outspeed things you wouldn't expect like Gengar and the Lati twins.

Yeah.
Mega Lucario's special and physical sets are both ridiculously powerful with adaptability.
Once it gets +2, it's actually just horrendously powerful.
But again, the problem is getting that +2.