Kangaskhanite Tiering Discussion [+Demographics Poll Added to OP]

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Right now we're risking a lot because many people are thinking like a gen5 battler, partially because so many people are gen5 (and gen4) veterans. Our usual definitions of broken, checks, and counters aren't the same anymore, and neither should they be. We're not playing a balanced meta like gen4 anymore. Mega-kang would certainly get banned in gen4 and gen5.

Change. Stall is dead in gen6. Slow bulky pokemon are now better. Priority sweepers are stronger. And megastones. All mega-pokemon are fucking overpowered, and that's just how the meta will be. There's high opportunity cost in using them because you can only have one. These pokemon are supposed to be a cut above the rest, otherwise gamefreak would have just released them as regular evolutions. The new meta is closer to hyper-offense. Showing calcs on how Kang tears through defensive hippowdon is useless, and is "gen4" type thinking. Hippowdon will not be a stall king anymore because stall fucking sucks. In this new offensive meta sometimes you will need to sacrifice a pokemon like you would sacrifice a pawn in chess. THIS IS THE NEW META. If we keep thinking this way, we are sure to ban the vast majority of megapokemon, and never realize that they were meant to be slightly overpowered. They are "mega" pokemon, and a new interesting competitive mechanic.

Imagine every team has 5 pokemon, and a trump card. That's what this new meta is. And while not every team is necessarily "forced" into using a trump card, it would be generally wise to do so (so no, it's not "centralizing"). It's certainly different, certainly goes against a lot of previous smogon-thought. But hey, it's fucking interesting. So get it through your heads: THIS IS THE NEW META, DON'T BAN MEGA POKEMON JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE GOOD. BAN THEM IF THEY ARE RUINING THE METAGAME.

That being said, I don't necessarily think kang is OU, but I do think that the vast majority of people supporting ban are severely mislead on what makes a pokemon broken in gen 6. I personally don't think it's that great and I've countered it with wisp, bulky pokemon, and my own megas. It is potentially ruining the metagame though.

I wish I could make a thread about this. This new metagame's mechanics and new battle style needs to be discussed.
 
Imagine every team has 5 pokemon, and a trump card. That's what this new meta is. Yeah, the trump card will be strong and all. And while not every team is necessarily "forced" into using a trump card, it's wise to do so (so no, it's not "centralizing"). It's certainly different, certainly goes against a lot of previous smogon-thought. But hey, it's fucking interesting. So get it through your heads: THIS IS THE NEW META, DON'T BAN MEGA POKEMON JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE GOOD. BAN THEM IF THEY ARE RUINING THE METAGAME.
Mega Kangaskhan is indeed ruining the metagame.

Yes I know this post is contentless, but... yeah.
 
Right now we're risking a lot because many people are thinking like a gen5 battler, partially because so many people are gen5 (and gen4) veterans. Our usual definitions of broken, checks, and counters aren't the same anymore, and neither should they be. We're not playing a balanced meta like gen4 anymore. Mega-kang would certainly get banned in gen4 and gen5.

Change. Stall is dead in gen6. Slow bulky pokemon are now better. Priority sweepers are stronger. And megastones. All mega-pokemon are fucking overpowered, and that's just how the meta will be. There's high opportunity cost in using them because you can only have one. These pokemon are supposed to be a cut above the rest, otherwise gamefreak would have just released them as regular evolutions. The new meta is closer to hyper-offense. Showing calcs on how Kang tears through defensive hippowdon is useless, and is "gen4" type thinking. Hippowdon will not be a stall king anymore because stall fucking sucks. In this new offensive meta sometimes you will need to sacrifice a pokemon like you would sacrifice a pawn in chess. THIS IS THE NEW META. If we keep thinking this way, we are sure to ban the vast majority of megapokemon, and never realize that they were meant to be slightly overpowered. They are "mega" pokemon, and a new interesting competitive mechanic.

Imagine every team has 5 pokemon, and a trump card. That's what this new meta is. Yeah, the trump card will be strong and all. And while not every team is necessarily "forced" into using a trump card, it's wise to do so (so no, it's not "centralizing"). It's certainly different, certainly goes against a lot of previous smogon-thought. But hey, it's fucking interesting. So get it through your heads: THIS IS THE NEW META, DON'T BAN MEGA POKEMON JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE GOOD. BAN THEM IF THEY ARE RUINING THE METAGAME.

That being said, I don't necessarily think kang is OU, but I do think that the vast majority of people supporting ban are severely mislead on what makes a pokemon broken in gen 6. I personally don't think it's that great and I've countered it with wisp, bulky pokemon, and my own megas. It is potentially ruining the metagame though.

I wish I could make a thread about this.
Um... What?

Mega kang ruins the meta completely. Over centralizing and allowing noobs to go far. Weather or not it's a "cut above the rest" it's just too good. And no, not all mega pokemon are ban worthy at all.
 
I don't understand why there are a few users who are under the impression that because they're labeled as "mega" evolutions, it is justifiable for one of them to have absurd levels of power such as kangaskhan. As far as competitive Pokemon is concerned, the label of "mega evolution" carries no more weight than "legendary" (aside from the fact that you're only allowed 1 mega). Mega forms are not going to be judged under a different criteria than any other suspect simply because they have the label of "mega evolution."
 
+2 0 Atk Mandibuzz Foul Play vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Kangaskhan: 331-391 (94.3 - 111.3%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO (surefire with rocks)

See, this isn't bad at all, and there definitely exist things that can outspeed and OHKO or alternatively tank and OHKO Kangaskhan with Foul Play and minimal damage. Hell, Sableye even gets it too which makes it an even more solid counter option (although admittedly things without STAB can't score the KO and are therefore at risk). Combined with other solid options like Destiny Bond Gengar, Infernape, Lucario, and somewhat weaker options like Noivern and Volcarona and there's a reasonable amount of wiggle room in dealing with Mega Kanga without sacrificing versatility in teambuilding. I might go through and compile a list of options at some point.
 
Mandibuzz has very little chance of surviving PuP+return and living to foul play mega khan.

252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Power-Up Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mandibuzz: 49-58 (11.5 - 13.6%) -- possible 8HKO
+2 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mandibuzz: 370-438 (87.2 - 103.3%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
 
In this new offensive meta sometimes you will need to sacrifice a pokemon like you would sacrifice a pawn in chess.
Sometimes =/= Almost every time.
These pokemon are supposed to be a cut above the rest, otherwise gamefreak would have just released them as regular evolutions.
Tell this to me when you see a Mega Garchomp with a life orb.
Combined with other solid options like Destiny Bond Gengar, Infernape, Lucario, and somewhat weaker options like Noivern and Volcarona and there's a reasonable amount of wiggle room in dealing with Mega Kanga without sacrificing versatility in teambuilding.
Destiny Bond Gengar guarantees you're sacrificing it, and if it has sucker punch, anyone with half a brain will avoid KOing it strait after that. Volcarona is not a solid check at all, with only about a 50% chance to burn it and being almost certain to go down. Noivern will not like +2 sucker punch at all.

SO, for "solid options", we have Nape, Terrakion, Mega Lucario, who needs to mega evolve first to outspeed.
 
Again, I was listing options to get people thinking, I didn't say they were the final solution to Mega Kang.

Look, I apologize if I sound snide here, but I've voted on the original ban on Garchomp and maybe one or two others back in Gen 4, gotten to top 100 in the OU ladder in 4th or 5th gen for about a year straight while having my team posted on Smogon for all to see. Look up Flame Orb Cresselia on Google, my team is the first result.

Its not as always as clear-cut to say ok, let's ban this or let's not ban that. A lot of us really like our statistics and theorymonning can only get you only so far. One could say that Scizor and STEALTH ROCK (lol) was too overcentalizing in Gen 4 and wonder why we didn't ban it, but there's a lot to understand and you will learn a lot from playing thousands upon thousands of battles. You will understand more quicker if you play the better players more often too.

I like looking at stats too and I still need more data and its still so early for me to want to throw down the banhammer on Mega Kanga. Pokebank releases at the end of this month too, so... I think its too early, without proper testing at least.
 
I play a very dedicated stall team with "great" sucess(got to 1600 in one night) on PreBank OU and it happens to have Sableye for major utility, I have never lost to a Mega-Kanghaskan team, but everytime I see one, I know I will have a lot of trouble bringing her down, I lose 0 to 1 pokemon in the process and the majority who lives are really worn out and it takes the hell of time for me to get things straight again and reach the victory.
Any misprediction you take against mega khan is enough for him to defeat you, even the will 'o wisp missing can be lethal for you.
Keeping in mind that I run Bulky Special Dragonite with Haze, Physically Defensive M-Blastoise also with Haze, Lefties Ferrothorn with Leech Seed and Prankster Sableye. I have to throw everything at him Burn, Seeds, Hazards, Haze while taking a crapton of damage in the process until she's down. Yeah, not funny

Mega Kanghaskan must be banned from OU
 
I don't understand why there are a few users who are under the impression that because they're labeled as "mega" evolutions, it is justifiable for one of them to have absurd levels of power such as kangaskhan. As far as competitive Pokemon is concerned, the label of "mega evolution" carries no more weight than "legendary" (aside from the fact that you're only allowed 1 mega). Mega forms are not going to be judged under a different criteria than any other suspect simply because they have the label of "mega evolution."

See, that's where you're completely wrong. You can only use one. If you want to pretend they are regular pokemon, then I'll just say it now: ban pinsir, ban lucario, ban kang, ban heracross, ban charizard x, ban charizard y, ban mega aerodactyl, ban mega gardevoir, ban mega scizor, and ban mega garchomp. (the rest are ok, but will get banned in UU)

Why? Because all of these are likely broken under gen5 standards: very few checks, centralizing, have very few safe switchins (at all?) and way fucking better than the rest of the pokemon out there.

That's where your gen5 mentality will lead us. Oh and talonflame will be banned (as should kyurem B).

I'll explicate on a few of these: mega scizor, if it were treated as simply a "legendary" scizor, has absurd bulk that when combined with SD, is simply unfair. With higher speed and new tools in theif, it can destroy jellicent and heatran (superpower). Mega garchomp has no switchins between SE/EQ/Outrage, except maybe landy-t. Mega gardevoire same, with hypervoice-boosted pixilate. Pinsir is a ridiculous sweeper with no counters. Charizard X with dragon dance + tough claws can sweep hard with perfect coverage.

Instead, open your mind to what this new meta has left us. We need to create creative and smart solutions to new change. For example, gen5 brought us weather. Smogon changed its view by doing a new combination ban of swiftswim+rain. Now we have a meta where we have a new type of pokemon, of which we can only have 1, that are significantly better than normal pokemon.

I'll admit it's controversial, but it needs to be considered
 
I play a very dedicated stall team with "great" sucess(got to 1600 in one night) on PreBank OU and it happens to have Sableye for major utility, I have never lost to a Mega-Kanghaskan team, but everytime I see one, I know I will have a lot of trouble bringing her down, I lose 0 to 1 pokemon in the process and the majority who lives are really worn out and it takes the hell of time for me to get things straight again and reach the victory.
Any misprediction you take against mega khan is enough for him to defeat you, even the will 'o wisp missing can be lethal for you.
Keeping in mind that I run Bulky Special Dragonite with Haze, Physically Defensive M-Blastoise also with Haze, Lefties Ferrothorn with Leech Seed and Prankster Sableye. I have to throw everything at him Burn, Seeds, Hazards, Haze while taking a crapton of damage in the process until she's down. Yeah, not funny

Mega Kanghaskan must be banned from OU

I think you're simply living in the past - stall isn't good this gen. If we ban kang on the basis that "stall teams can't handle it" a year from now itll look hilarious.

I think we need more time for the metagame to change and adapt (and for pokebank to release) before considering mega kang.
 
Destiny Bond Gengar guarantees you're sacrificing it, and if it has sucker punch, anyone with half a brain will avoid KOing it strait after that. Volcarona is not a solid check at all, with only about a 50% chance to burn it and being almost certain to go down. Noivern will not like +2 sucker punch at all.

SO, for "solid options", we have Nape, Terrakion, Mega Lucario, who needs to mega evolve first to outspeed.

Destiny Bond Gengar doesn't guarantee any such thing. You use Destiny Bond then Focus Blast, and their choices are switch, trade, or die. I admitted Volcarona is a weaker check (although it still presents a relatively good bed), and Noivern is fine with Sucker Punch he just uses Whirlwind. Zoroark can come in and gank it with Foul Play under the guise of being something else, Sableye and Cofagrigus are still solid, Rocky Helmet Ferrothorn still works, Mandibuzz can threaten it out with a defensive item of some description (Kee or Chilan berry, lol)...
 
See, that's where you're completely wrong. You can only use one. If you want to pretend they are regular pokemon, then I'll just say it now: ban pinsir, ban lucario, ban kang, ban heracross, ban charizard x, ban charizard y, ban mega aerodactyl, ban mega gardevoir, ban mega scizor, and ban mega garchomp. (the rest are ok, but will get banned in UU)

Why? Because all of these are likely broken under gen5 standards: very few checks, centralizing, have very few safe switchins (at all?) and way fucking better than the rest of the pokemon out there.

That's where your gen5 mentality will lead us. Oh and talonflame will be banned (as should kyurem B).

I'll explicate on a few of these: mega scizor, if it were treated as simply a "legendary" scizor, has absurd bulk that when combined with SD, is simply unfair. With higher speed and new tools in theif, it can destroy jellicent and heatran (superpower). Mega garchomp has no switchins between SE/EQ/Outrage, except maybe landy-t. Mega gardevoire same, with hypervoice-boosted pixilate. Pinsir is a ridiculous sweeper with no counters. Charizard X with dragon dance + tough claws can sweep hard with perfect coverage.

Instead, open your mind to what this new meta has left us. We need to create creative and smart solutions to new change. For example, gen5 brought us weather. Smogon changed its view by doing a new combination ban of swiftswim+rain. Now we have a meta where we have a new type of pokemon, of which we can only have 1, that are significantly better than normal pokemon.

I'll admit it's controversial, but it needs to be considered

What? What?

Talonflame ban worthy? Bull

Not all mega pokemon are broken. Look at mega Aero.
This gen may have brought a power creep, but at least those pokemon are actually stoppable by OU pokemon, unlike mega kang, who over Centralized OU.
 
See, that's where you're completely wrong. You can only use one. If you want to pretend they are regular pokemon, then I'll just say it now: ban pinsir, ban lucario, ban kang, ban heracross, ban charizard x, ban charizard y, ban mega aerodactyl, ban mega gardevoir, ban mega scizor, and ban mega garchomp. (the rest are ok, but will get banned in UU)

Why? Because all of these are likely broken under gen5 standards: very few checks, centralizing, have very few safe switchins (at all?) and way fucking better than the rest of the pokemon out there.

That's where your gen5 mentality will lead us. Oh and talonflame will be banned (as should kyurem B).

I'll explicate on a few of these: mega scizor, if it were treated as simply a "legendary" scizor, has absurd bulk that when combined with SD, is simply unfair. With higher speed and new tools in theif, it can destroy jellicent and heatran (superpower). Mega garchomp has no switchins between SE/EQ/Outrage, except maybe landy-t. Mega gardevoire same, with hypervoice-boosted pixilate. Pinsir is a ridiculous sweeper with no counters. Charizard X with dragon dance + tough claws can sweep hard with perfect coverage.

Instead, open your mind to what this new meta has left us. We need to create creative and smart solutions to new change. For example, gen5 brought us weather. Smogon changed its view by doing a new combination ban of swiftswim+rain. Now we have a meta where we have a new type of pokemon, of which we can only have 1, that are significantly better than normal pokemon.

I'll admit it's controversial, but it needs to be considered

Even if it works out that way, say that your mega pokemon is supposed to be your trump card, MegaKhan (with MegaLuke following closely behind) is still leagues ahead of other mega 'mons, which will make her monopolize every mega-spot, therefore centralizing the meta around her, and therefore worthy of a ban.
 
I think you're simply living in the past - stall isn't good this gen. If we ban kang on the basis that "stall teams can't handle it" a year from now itll look hilarious.

I think we need more time for the metagame to change and adapt (and for pokebank to release) before considering mega kang.

Actually banning M-Khan would be a godsend for stall (no more dealing with shit that 2HKO's Skarmory with return, for one). There's also an entire Stall-thread on the front page of this forum right now that's very active, at this moment while M-Khan running impudently in the metagame. That surely doesn't mean, Stall is dead!

You can't just write off an entire playstyle, when the metagame is only two months old. There's more potential for a slower metagame than last gen (Defog, weather nerf, and a general trend to bulky playstyle), especially when the most broken things are removed.

See, that's where you're completely wrong. You can only use one. If you want to pretend they are regular pokemon, then I'll just say it now: ban pinsir, ban lucario, ban kang, ban heracross, ban charizard x, ban charizard y, ban mega aerodactyl, ban mega gardevoir, ban mega scizor, and ban mega garchomp. (the rest are ok, but will get banned in UU)

Why? Because all of these are likely broken under gen5 standards: very few checks, centralizing, have very few safe switchins (at all?) and way fucking better than the rest of the pokemon out there.

Except that's not true, at all? Even M-Lucario (which tbh I wouldn't be surprised, if it were suspected) has a few workable checks, such as Rest-Talk Garados and Lando-T. M-Garchomp loses speed and is much easier to revenge. And that part about M-Scizor and M-Gardevoir is just flat-out falsehood.

The thing about M-Khan is that the very few checks it has are not enough to make it not broken. Many of these are extremely niche (Cofagrigus) or barely workable in OU were it not for M-Khan (Sableye). The list of things, that can reliably revenge-kill M-Khan is as follows: Terrakion, Cobalion, Keldeo, Mienshao, Infernape, Scarf Heracross, end list. Pretty much nothing can wall it and at the same time threaten it, not even those two ghosts which M-KHan has ways around. I mean my god, even DPP Salamence had a wider selection of checks than this.
 
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What? What?

Talonflame ban worthy? Bull

Not all mega pokemon are broken. Look at mega Aero.
This gen may have brought a power creep, but at least those pokemon are actually stoppable by OU pokemon, unlike mega kang, who over Centralized OU.

IMO it'll get banned early 2014. Band Brave Bird is way fucking strong. KOs latios. In a more offensive metagame, it just hits way too fucking hard. Priority base 180 attack.... does like 30% to heatran, so if it's lower than 60% HP, can't even switch in. It has u-turn and wisp for ttar, too, on the flightgem set. Not to mention SD, which while is hard to set up, will fuck up anything royally. My opinion though.

Well I suppose mega-aero isn't ban worthy cause I just realized that tough-claws doesn't boost Stone edge or EQ... a damn shame. But it's still really freaking good compared to other pokemon. I'm saying you have a long list of shit to ban this gen if you stay in gen5 mindset.
Even if it works out that way, say that your mega pokemon is supposed to be your trump card, MegaKhan (with MegaLuke following closely behind) is still leagues ahead of other mega 'mons, which will make her monopolize every mega-spot, therefore centralizing the meta around her, and therefore worthy of a ban.

That's a fair assessment. If you take into account my argument and still think m-kang is overpowered, fine. I still think it's not too bad, and the meta has room to shift more.

114 Explain why stall is "dead", and don't just list a bunch of Pokemon.

Cause hazards fucking suck this gen. That's really it. Not to mention that none of the megas are "stall" since very few have access to recovery. And some minor points (scald reduced to 10% burn, knock off really hurting stall, etc).

Not to mention stall doesn't have a good matchup against volt-turn which is the rage right now given rotom and genesect.

Also, have you seen how kyurem-B? All the megas? How is stall supposed to get past mega-pinsir? This game relies on priority to survive, not stall.

Perhaps the definition of stall will shift this gen. It's not the same as last gen where you could run jelli+ferro+gliscor+heatran and just wait till hazards manhandled the other team. It's too easy to beat it with hard hitters and 150+ base attack.

Except that's not true, at all? Even M-Lucario (which tbh I wouldn't be surprised, if it were suspected) has a few workable checks, such as Rest-Talk Garados and Lando-T. M-Garchomp loses speed and is much easier to revenge. And that part about M-Scizor and M-Gardevoir is just flat-out falsehood.

The thing about M-Khan is that the very few checks it has are not enough to make it not broken. Many of these are extremely niche (Cofagrigus) or barely workable in OU were it not for M-Khan (Sableye). The list of things, that can reliably revenge-kill M-Khan is as follows: Terrakion, Cobalion, Keldeo, Mienshao, Infernape, Scarf Heracross, end list. Pretty much nothing can wall it and at the same time threaten it, not even those two ghosts which M-KHan has ways around. I mean my god, even DPP Salamence had a wider selection of checks than this.

Lando-T dies from ice punch, flash cannon..... instantly.
Rest talk gyarados? In this gen? That's gen4. It wasn't even viable in gen5, and I don't think it is now.

Being forced to revenge kill something is a sign of being... broken. Cause you can just switch out.

M-Gardevoir has like no switch ins except maybe chansey.

M-Scizor has an incredible SD set that is OP, since it takes so little damage physically.

Unless you actually treat mega pokemon as mega pokemon, they're simply way better than normal pokemon.

Rocky helmet checks mega kang, talonflame, e-speed, and a lot of bulky pokemon with high attack stats also check mega kang. Thundurus with t-wave checks as well. Volcarona checks (only 25% it doesn't burn). Jellicent with wisp. Not really here to argue it should be OU though, still unsure, but I don't think it's the monster everyone makes it out to be. It really only is if you're thinking by gen5 standards
 
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See, that's where you're completely wrong. You can only use one. If you want to pretend they are regular pokemon, then I'll just say it now: ban pinsir, ban lucario, ban kang, ban heracross, ban charizard x, ban charizard y, ban mega aerodactyl, ban mega gardevoir, ban mega scizor, and ban mega garchomp. (the rest are ok, but will get banned in UU)

Why? Because all of these are likely broken under gen5 standards: very few checks, centralizing, have very few safe switchins (at all?) and way fucking better than the rest of the pokemon out there.

That's where your gen5 mentality will lead us. Oh and talonflame will be banned (as should kyurem B).

I'll explicate on a few of these: mega scizor, if it were treated as simply a "legendary" scizor, has absurd bulk that when combined with SD, is simply unfair. With higher speed and new tools in theif, it can destroy jellicent and heatran (superpower). Mega garchomp has no switchins between SE/EQ/Outrage, except maybe landy-t. Mega gardevoire same, with hypervoice-boosted pixilate. Pinsir is a ridiculous sweeper with no counters. Charizard X with dragon dance + tough claws can sweep hard with perfect coverage.

Instead, open your mind to what this new meta has left us. We need to create creative and smart solutions to new change. For example, gen5 brought us weather. Smogon changed its view by doing a new combination ban of swiftswim+rain. Now we have a meta where we have a new type of pokemon, of which we can only have 1, that are significantly better than normal pokemon.

I'll admit it's controversial, but it needs to be considered

This post is stupid, to be blunt. Mega Gengar and Mega Kangaskhan being broken doesn't imply in any way that mega evolutions as a whole are banworthy. If any of them DO become banworthy, they will be banned, just like any other suspect would. If ALL of them became banworthy, ALL of them would be banned. I find it interesting that you think people wanting to ban Kangaskhanite is a result of an outdated mentality that's only relevant to 5th gen. I'm sorry, but, when something completely dominates the tier and has very close to zero reliable checks, let alone counters, it's going to get banned.
 
What?! I can only think of 4 mega in total that would be in question and they are:
Why these mons should (or shouldn't) be banned.
M-Gar: Thats settled
M-Khan: I listed it already, BANNED. READ MY POSTS.
M-Luc: has solid, non niche counters in existence, and frail enough and slow enough to be killed back, or just not get a kill, not banned.
M-Banette: Iffy, but priority destiny bond is why wynaught and wobbuffet were banned for a while, and Banette has a 165 base attack too.
These stones are being banned on the basis of: "The general amount of OU Pokemon can't keep up with them." That's most of the upgrades that the megas have gotten. And no shit Mega-Kang will be banned, I don't feel like sorting to read your posts, deal with it.
Banned: Gengar, Blaziken, Kangaskhan (Soon to be)
Just as an example Mawile gets an Intimidate off, the mega evolve, and most likely a SD on the switch.
Almost every mega is going to be in OU, barring a few of them, unless we keep banning them.
 
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You can't compare Talonflame to Mega Kangaskhan.
Talonflame can be checked by some pokemon, actually has several good counters which are useful in OU and you don't need to go out of your way to find niche pokemon or niche set to handle it well.
Mega Kangaskhan ... You need to have something to handle it.
 
This argument of 'the metagame will shift' really...isn't an argument, if you ask me. Mega Kang can 2HKO pretty much anything, honestly. You can't switch in on it, you have to take it out through revenge, and the list of pokemon that can do that are very slim (it was listed earlier, half of them you can't even use yet)
 
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You can't compare Talonflame to Mega Kangaskhan.
Talonflame can be checked by some pokemon, actually has several good counters which are useful in OU and you don't need to go out of your way to find niche pokemon or niche set to handle it well.
Mega Kangaskhan ... You need to have something to handle it.

Sorry it got a little off topic. Back on topic: my thesis is that if you take into account a generally more fast paced meta, then the list of checks expands to include a lot more. I think it'd be immature to call it broken right now, even though it probably is, because I think the meta has room to shift. And people will get used to a less stallish meta.

This post is stupid, to be blunt. Mega Gengar and Mega Kangaskhan being broken doesn't imply in any way that mega evolutions as a whole are banworthy. If any of them DO become banworthy, they will be banned, just like any other suspect would. If ALL of them became banworthy, ALL of them would be banned. I find it interesting that you think people wanting to ban Kangaskhanite is a result of an outdated mentality that's only relevant to 5th gen. I'm sorry, but, when something completely dominates the tier and has very close to zero reliable checks, let alone counters, it's going to get banned.

What is "banworthy" this gen? Is the very question I ask. From my experience didn't seem to dominate. It's very good though and I'm not necessarily for OU (pls keep that in mind).
 
while we're on the subject of one turn set-up team wreckers, if mega kang gets banned mega lucario should be suspected as well. You don't know if he's physical or special until he sword dances or nasty plots, and if you predicted wrong you most likely lose.
 
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