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NOC Great Idea Mafia-Game Over! Mafia, vonFiedler, and More Cowbell win!
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Sorry for disappearing. I lack a solid internet connection in the morning and early afternoon. I will try to post more. I'll go through some reads so far.
Tesung
Tesung seems short spoken to me, which isn't a bad thing on it's own, but post #187 had some meat on it's bones.
What this tells me is that you are new to NOC, which is understandable. The explanation of your votes is reasonable, except for the fact that you didn't post your reasoning for you vote. What it looks like you are doing here is covering your back. While that is OK, if that is all you end up doing, it is going to raise suspicion. I'm not going to vote you now, but be aware that aggression is not necessary bad. (also please don't use "cuz")
LightWolf
Lightwolf is very productive in his posts. He clearly understands how this game works and I appreciate his scum-hunting abilities. He is very aggressive in his posts, but he has no need to have any kind of defense. He has only been voted for once, by empoof, in RVS. I read town, but I am going to hold a suspicion just in case.
starwarsfan
starwarsfan has posted more detail than on day one, and your post gives us information that we might have overlooked on Tesung. I won't consider your vote a bandwagon vote, but it did start one. That is not your fault.
UllarWarlord
Going to Oregon pal? Get prepared for dysentery.
The message that I am getting from you here is that if we don't explain ourselves, we are scum and must be lynched, and if you explain your actions when people are voting on you makes scummy as well. To me this just looks like a poor excuse to hop on the bandwagon. Day One you voted onto both the bandwagons on me and starwarsfan, and you didn't hop on the felony wagon but you also didn't post between then (telling me that you were not watching). Either your lazy, and don't want to devote a large amount of energy to playing, or you just want an easy way to off people.
More Cowbell
I see some bandwagoning from More Cowbell, but I also see some reluctance to push a vote too far. What this tells me is that he is reluctant to lynch someone without being sure they are mafia. I read town.
Walrein
Doesn't post much, but when he does, he provides very useful information. Much pokerespect.
Celever
Celever does provide very useful reads and his reasons for votes are well described. Very similar to walrein, but you post more.
PokeguyNXB
Voting people to make them post. Fair enough.
After further review, I feel as if my vote is leaning between Tesung and Ullar. However, I do see a bandwagon on Tesung and also one forming on Ullar. I don't want to be a part of either, but I know I will eventually have to make a choice. Ullar seems more scummy to me than Tesung, and voting him will balance the vote to 3-3. Sorry for the bandwagon, but it is unavoidable; one of these people will die due to the lack of activity. I don't think many votes will change with 20.5 hours left to vote (because people are in school and stuff). Lynch UllarWarlord
Vote on Tesung : starwarsfan, More Cowbell, UllarWarlord
Vote on Ullar : Walrein, Ace Emerald, Obbmud99
Tesung
Tesung seems short spoken to me, which isn't a bad thing on it's own, but post #187 had some meat on it's bones.
What this tells me is that you are new to NOC, which is understandable. The explanation of your votes is reasonable, except for the fact that you didn't post your reasoning for you vote. What it looks like you are doing here is covering your back. While that is OK, if that is all you end up doing, it is going to raise suspicion. I'm not going to vote you now, but be aware that aggression is not necessary bad. (also please don't use "cuz")
LightWolf
Lightwolf is very productive in his posts. He clearly understands how this game works and I appreciate his scum-hunting abilities. He is very aggressive in his posts, but he has no need to have any kind of defense. He has only been voted for once, by empoof, in RVS. I read town, but I am going to hold a suspicion just in case.
starwarsfan
starwarsfan has posted more detail than on day one, and your post gives us information that we might have overlooked on Tesung. I won't consider your vote a bandwagon vote, but it did start one. That is not your fault.
UllarWarlord
Going to Oregon pal? Get prepared for dysentery.
The message that I am getting from you here is that if we don't explain ourselves, we are scum and must be lynched, and if you explain your actions when people are voting on you makes scummy as well. To me this just looks like a poor excuse to hop on the bandwagon. Day One you voted onto both the bandwagons on me and starwarsfan, and you didn't hop on the felony wagon but you also didn't post between then (telling me that you were not watching). Either your lazy, and don't want to devote a large amount of energy to playing, or you just want an easy way to off people.
More Cowbell
I see some bandwagoning from More Cowbell, but I also see some reluctance to push a vote too far. What this tells me is that he is reluctant to lynch someone without being sure they are mafia. I read town.
Walrein
Doesn't post much, but when he does, he provides very useful information. Much pokerespect.
Celever
Celever does provide very useful reads and his reasons for votes are well described. Very similar to walrein, but you post more.
PokeguyNXB
Voting people to make them post. Fair enough.
After further review, I feel as if my vote is leaning between Tesung and Ullar. However, I do see a bandwagon on Tesung and also one forming on Ullar. I don't want to be a part of either, but I know I will eventually have to make a choice. Ullar seems more scummy to me than Tesung, and voting him will balance the vote to 3-3. Sorry for the bandwagon, but it is unavoidable; one of these people will die due to the lack of activity. I don't think many votes will change with 20.5 hours left to vote (because people are in school and stuff). Lynch UllarWarlord
Vote on Tesung : starwarsfan, More Cowbell, UllarWarlord
Vote on Ullar : Walrein, Ace Emerald, Obbmud99
Sorry, I forgot about this. I would like to see both Tesung and UllarWarlord to post a defense, because I would not like to cause the execution of a townie. I this this will help the "tribunal" of a town find the scum.
Nitrox116 has subbed in for Memoric.
Carry on.
Carry on.
Which "tribunal" is this? The tribunal of you and two of your scumbuddies?
Oh, it looks like I've been tagged again. ._. I really ought to keep track of this game. So, as of late I've contributed the exact same amount to this game as my predecessor. Absolutely nothing but a wasted vote and an easy lynch/kill target for mafia. How fabulous. I guess it didn't help that I formed most of my opinions into the wrong place and at the wrong time, but to be fair, I haven't spent the night entirely clueless. I've been reading up on Circus NOC's since my entry into this game so that I could answer a few of my own questions and also come to terms with what's going on here.
At first I thought B_T was a fairly interesting kill. I thought that they'd go for a really active and townie player like LightWolf so that we'd be down a good, active player early on, but even I see a few problems with that line of thinking. :( I'm trying to go back to see if he made any hints as to who he was, but I don't really see anything of note. I'd guess that he wasn't really onto something, since his one vote of any note was practically baseless. Perhaps the mafia are trying to make us think that he was to push a lynch on Tesung? Or maybe they want me to think about that, since Tesung could be mafia and by that line of thought, I'd think that Tesung is innocent. I personally like LightWolf's explanation better, since mine's full of WIFOM. If WIFOM is what I think it is, anyhow. Maybe someone with more experience could look into it, but right now I think I'm over thinking. :/
I do have one question though. Why confirm him as clear when maf could've easily gotten on to him for getting on the Felony wagon? Fairly minor question, but I wonder why they couldn't have gone onto one of the people not on the wagon, like More Cowbell. Paperblade I could understand why they'd spare, but More Cowbell hadn't really seemed scummy at all, yet he still flies under the radar of both mafia and village.
Celever, first off, I'd like to thank you for the pressure. Not enough people have given it to me, to be honest. A vote would've been nice, though. Now, I was planning to blow up in your face for "leading" the lynch on Felony. But, after reading over the posts for the sixth or seventh time, I'm willing to entertain the idea that the discussion between you and Felony was town vs town. In the one game I've played with you, you and starwars seemed hellbent on lynching von at one point or another, even though he was undeniably village. It was fairly fun to watch, actually. And one of the few NOC's that I've been studying while "avoiding" this thread happened to be Mario Kart NOC, where it seemed as though the way you argue just dig you in deeper, something that the mafia has tried to exploit you for several times. Maybe you're relying on this perception though, the perception that you're always scummy in the beginning. I have yet to read a game in which you've turned out to be mafia, although if there is one, feel free to point it out to me.
I find you to be generally hardheaded and reckless in these games, but I don't exactly find you entirely clear. You brought up a lot of weak points yourself, and I find it a little funny that no one else but Felony picked at you. You brought up "the last time someone tunneled me this hard, they were mafia" which I think implies "whenever someone consistently contradicts me, they have to be maf" which is incredibly close-minded of you. Although to be fair, you both kept repeating yourselves over and over, and to be honest, I thought you two were basically saying the same things to each other, just twisting the points to attack each other. I think he also thought this at one point as well with the "nice job twisting my words" statement, although I wouldn't know.
It was rather hard to follow for me, since I know virtually nothing about playstyles, but I think I'd share Ace's opinion that the aggressive-defensive discussion was mostly superficial and subjective. Whether or not people were offensive-defensive, defensive, or offensive shouldn't exactly matter, but I think it's more of being overly offensive/defensive that bugged him. He was overreacting on LW being too offensive and Celever on being too defensive. Am I getting this right? I don't think having offensive-defensive play is bad, he just seemed to want to try too hard to scumhunt from the get go while also struggling to explain his own actions.
So I think I've oversimplified in my mind Felony's initial scumreads, which I believe are very similar to yours once you take down the whole playstyle thing. Just switch yourself with him, and you'll basically get the same arguments for the same people. He was criticizing you for being too serious with the pressure votes by over elaborating the thoughts that were already stated, making it seem like you were just trying to and then he tried criticizing Ullar for not explaining himself enough. In your last few posts of the last day, you brought up how the reaction of people to an earthquake were the same, regardless of the magnitude and trying to distinguish them was futile. It seems to be a spectrum kind of thinking. An arbitrary spectrum that doesn't really matter, mind you, but I saw it in both sides to an extent when analyzing his scum reads.
Anyway, enough about you. You've got plenty of pressure at the moment, so I won't really try to press you. I'm trying my hardest to see the village intent behind Felony's posts, and for now I'll leave it as a sick misunderstanding. I don't even know if he even knew what he was talking about, since once he stopped trying to repeat himself, he made some of the worst defenses known to man. :D
Tesung, I do think you are scummy. Make no mistake about that. :P However, I do feel for you. Your blatant bandwagoning is probably a tad misguided attempt to follow the village if you are noobtown, and I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. But, that doesn't excuse your godawful rationalization processes. I did catch on that your first reason for lynching Walrein was that aggressive scumhunting seemed bad to you thanks to an NOC you've read. This was your first defense. So why didn't you stick to it? If you could show me what threads you were reading, perhaps I could see where you got your misunderstanding from. But why you'd ever backpedal on your own word is beyond me. Perhaps I'm missing something? Until you explain, I'll have no choice but to assume you are scum.
Also, I think it'd be a good idea for some of the other newbies in this game could look through it as well to get a better idea of how to play beyond dumb bandwagoning. I'd also suggest that you read the entire thread for what it's worth rather than just skimming through it. Read the post game, find out the roles, then read it again. That's what I was doing all weekend. Just don't do it too much or people will think you're avoiding this game. :)
Paperblade's new sub, I don't really have a read on PB. Based on the few NOC's that I have read, he seems to always take little interest in the game from the start, and won't start participating until toward the end. I'd like if people could link me to more games that PB's been in so that I can confirm this or reject it. That said, it's not always good enough to just assume a person's faction just because of how they've played in the past, especially if they're experienced. I'd just try to learn the ropes if I were you, and try to be active. :T
More Cowbell, where are you? :/
Ace I've never ever seen play NOC, although I can't remember if he was in RNG or not. He's made decent defenses and some points that I agree with, but I don't think he screams town. Seems to post along with the village just fine, but I don't think he's brought up anything new and major lately. Pretty null read with very slight town because super-bias.
LightWolf... I don't really know what to say about you. I haven't read enough games to really know what obvious town is, and it kinda bothers me that since one person made a strong town read on you, people seem to take it as absolute fact outside of Celever here. Not sure if that's the truth, but that's what it seems like to me. You have been saying some rather townish things though lately, so I'll give you that much. I'd like it if more experienced people would also share what they think about LW. :T
Walrein, it really does bother me that most of your votes in this game have been bandwagon votes. Justified votes, but still bandwagon votes. You're basically doing the same thing as starwarsfan jumping from wagon to wagon, only you try to explain yourself just a bit. Looking back, I don't exactly feel as though your vote on Felony bringing him to L-3 was all that needed. That said, this feeling isn't all that strong, and outside of this minor fact, you do seem town to me.
Speaking of starwarsfan... what's with the sudden change in posting style? It looks like you're trying to become a mini-Walrein based on your recent post. I approve, but people don't just change like that overnight. Unless they were told to. :o I haven't exactly seen anyone else change so much during the day phase. It seems like a desperate attempt to seem slightly less scummy to me, but it could be entirely possible that you did this on your own accord. I remember barty the beetle changing quickly mid-day and seeming a bit more scummy for it, but you've had a night to go over it, therefore a chance to contact the mafia regardless of the correct answer to my earlier question. Don't take this vote as an OMGUS or as a serious lynch attempt, but I'd really like answers from you.
Lynch starwarsfan.
I can't really say anything about obbmund other than I guess I could buy his "play dumb" act, mostly because I actually considered trying it at one point. I called it "Operation Moron", and I think I'd have a bit more success with it since I have a reputation of being a fuckup. I decided against it after realizing that unless I had a power role or something, my survival isn't important. I do find it a tad fishy that he hasn't been posting as of late, but I'd be a hypocrite to make him my prime suspect for that reason. :P
Ullar pretty much has the same argument I have for not posting, so I don't exactly know how to approach him. On one hand, I want to buy it because I feel the same way. On the other hand, he does have more experience with normal mafia at his side, so I'd imagine he'd feel at least some confidence in his ability. :U
I don't really like the way he's been reacting to pressure. Saying appeasement is for suckers and stuff like that is like the worst thing you can do for the town. And you're making your reads for the same reason I am, but you're doing it rather grudgingly. Maybe you're a power role trying to act really scummy so that the mafia will try to keep you alive or someone who just doesn't want to play. Or you're mafia, which seems to be the popular opinion. If you are a vanillager, you ought to try your best to draw attention to yourself in a pro-town way.
Cancerous is an evil little child who's been trying to steal people's identities with "friendship" applications. You all saw it! He must be apprehended at once!111
But in all seriousness, I think Cancerous hasn't really had much experience with mafia, being lynched cycle 1 in Wayne Brady Mafia, and being killed shortly after his sub-in in Acklow's big. Correct me if I'm wrong, though. I can understand why he hasn't posted in a while, if what I assume is correct. If he weren't the evil innocent child, I have no doubt that he'd be one of the few suspected.
And that brings me to something else. I'm pretty biased toward newbies in these reads, I'm not going to lie. But, somehow I find it pretty hard to believe that every single mafia is a lurker with shitty logic. Newbies seem to be the easiest target for the mafia to push a mislynch on. It certainly is possible that a few newbies are mafia (maybe even I am!), but I highly doubt the entire mafia is. That's possible too, actually. Talk about a lame game, but these setups are randomized, after all. Some people seem to just want to poke up people who don't know how to play rather than focusing on everyone. I could see the validity behind this, but I still feel as those who consistently point out obvious scumtells from newer players are just trying to seem active and are trying to force as many mislynches as they can.
Nothing. My role is flat out garbage, enough to encourage the opposite of lurking. Seems to me that Empoof at least has outside priorites involving red pandas, so that just makes me a bad player. :/
At the risk of incriminating myself, I'll say that it's more of the latter case, coupled with a few insecurities. I know I shouldn't be afraid to share my honest opinion and things like that, but the whole "Midou" thing ruined my self confidence of doing pretty much anything right in this game. I'll try to pick up my play, though!
Oh, and I guess I should bring up the fact that I've been on a tablet while playing. It won't stay that way, but I've lost access to my computer for at least the next week or so. I might be a try-hard for attempting long posts and punctuation, but I guess it also adds to my reluctance to post a bit, although not as much. Maybe I should just focus on little bits of input like Ace and Walrein rather than try to churn out these tl;dr's, since this took about an hour to type. <_<
This time, I only have two arbitrary questions, but they might prove to be important. I don't know, to be honest. :/
1. Do we know exactly how many mafiosi there are in this game?
2. Are we absolutely sure that we have neutrals in this game?
I do recall the rules stating that mafia faction couldn't be more than a third of the game, but other than that, I'm clueless. That could mean as low as three, but as many as five, which could very well make a difference. The "keeping thirds to minimum" implies that there might not even be any to begin with. :( Feel free to specify a number if you do know the answer of the first question, or just answer yes/no like always. Thank you in advance.
At first I thought B_T was a fairly interesting kill. I thought that they'd go for a really active and townie player like LightWolf so that we'd be down a good, active player early on, but even I see a few problems with that line of thinking. :( I'm trying to go back to see if he made any hints as to who he was, but I don't really see anything of note. I'd guess that he wasn't really onto something, since his one vote of any note was practically baseless. Perhaps the mafia are trying to make us think that he was to push a lynch on Tesung? Or maybe they want me to think about that, since Tesung could be mafia and by that line of thought, I'd think that Tesung is innocent. I personally like LightWolf's explanation better, since mine's full of WIFOM. If WIFOM is what I think it is, anyhow. Maybe someone with more experience could look into it, but right now I think I'm over thinking. :/
I do have one question though. Why confirm him as clear when maf could've easily gotten on to him for getting on the Felony wagon? Fairly minor question, but I wonder why they couldn't have gone onto one of the people not on the wagon, like More Cowbell. Paperblade I could understand why they'd spare, but More Cowbell hadn't really seemed scummy at all, yet he still flies under the radar of both mafia and village.
Celever, first off, I'd like to thank you for the pressure. Not enough people have given it to me, to be honest. A vote would've been nice, though. Now, I was planning to blow up in your face for "leading" the lynch on Felony. But, after reading over the posts for the sixth or seventh time, I'm willing to entertain the idea that the discussion between you and Felony was town vs town. In the one game I've played with you, you and starwars seemed hellbent on lynching von at one point or another, even though he was undeniably village. It was fairly fun to watch, actually. And one of the few NOC's that I've been studying while "avoiding" this thread happened to be Mario Kart NOC, where it seemed as though the way you argue just dig you in deeper, something that the mafia has tried to exploit you for several times. Maybe you're relying on this perception though, the perception that you're always scummy in the beginning. I have yet to read a game in which you've turned out to be mafia, although if there is one, feel free to point it out to me.
I find you to be generally hardheaded and reckless in these games, but I don't exactly find you entirely clear. You brought up a lot of weak points yourself, and I find it a little funny that no one else but Felony picked at you. You brought up "the last time someone tunneled me this hard, they were mafia" which I think implies "whenever someone consistently contradicts me, they have to be maf" which is incredibly close-minded of you. Although to be fair, you both kept repeating yourselves over and over, and to be honest, I thought you two were basically saying the same things to each other, just twisting the points to attack each other. I think he also thought this at one point as well with the "nice job twisting my words" statement, although I wouldn't know.
It was rather hard to follow for me, since I know virtually nothing about playstyles, but I think I'd share Ace's opinion that the aggressive-defensive discussion was mostly superficial and subjective. Whether or not people were offensive-defensive, defensive, or offensive shouldn't exactly matter, but I think it's more of being overly offensive/defensive that bugged him. He was overreacting on LW being too offensive and Celever on being too defensive. Am I getting this right? I don't think having offensive-defensive play is bad, he just seemed to want to try too hard to scumhunt from the get go while also struggling to explain his own actions.
So I think I've oversimplified in my mind Felony's initial scumreads, which I believe are very similar to yours once you take down the whole playstyle thing. Just switch yourself with him, and you'll basically get the same arguments for the same people. He was criticizing you for being too serious with the pressure votes by over elaborating the thoughts that were already stated, making it seem like you were just trying to and then he tried criticizing Ullar for not explaining himself enough. In your last few posts of the last day, you brought up how the reaction of people to an earthquake were the same, regardless of the magnitude and trying to distinguish them was futile. It seems to be a spectrum kind of thinking. An arbitrary spectrum that doesn't really matter, mind you, but I saw it in both sides to an extent when analyzing his scum reads.
Anyway, enough about you. You've got plenty of pressure at the moment, so I won't really try to press you. I'm trying my hardest to see the village intent behind Felony's posts, and for now I'll leave it as a sick misunderstanding. I don't even know if he even knew what he was talking about, since once he stopped trying to repeat himself, he made some of the worst defenses known to man. :D
Tesung, I do think you are scummy. Make no mistake about that. :P However, I do feel for you. Your blatant bandwagoning is probably a tad misguided attempt to follow the village if you are noobtown, and I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. But, that doesn't excuse your godawful rationalization processes. I did catch on that your first reason for lynching Walrein was that aggressive scumhunting seemed bad to you thanks to an NOC you've read. This was your first defense. So why didn't you stick to it? If you could show me what threads you were reading, perhaps I could see where you got your misunderstanding from. But why you'd ever backpedal on your own word is beyond me. Perhaps I'm missing something? Until you explain, I'll have no choice but to assume you are scum.
Also, I think it'd be a good idea for some of the other newbies in this game could look through it as well to get a better idea of how to play beyond dumb bandwagoning. I'd also suggest that you read the entire thread for what it's worth rather than just skimming through it. Read the post game, find out the roles, then read it again. That's what I was doing all weekend. Just don't do it too much or people will think you're avoiding this game. :)
Paperblade's new sub, I don't really have a read on PB. Based on the few NOC's that I have read, he seems to always take little interest in the game from the start, and won't start participating until toward the end. I'd like if people could link me to more games that PB's been in so that I can confirm this or reject it. That said, it's not always good enough to just assume a person's faction just because of how they've played in the past, especially if they're experienced. I'd just try to learn the ropes if I were you, and try to be active. :T
More Cowbell, where are you? :/
Ace I've never ever seen play NOC, although I can't remember if he was in RNG or not. He's made decent defenses and some points that I agree with, but I don't think he screams town. Seems to post along with the village just fine, but I don't think he's brought up anything new and major lately. Pretty null read with very slight town because super-bias.
LightWolf... I don't really know what to say about you. I haven't read enough games to really know what obvious town is, and it kinda bothers me that since one person made a strong town read on you, people seem to take it as absolute fact outside of Celever here. Not sure if that's the truth, but that's what it seems like to me. You have been saying some rather townish things though lately, so I'll give you that much. I'd like it if more experienced people would also share what they think about LW. :T
Walrein, it really does bother me that most of your votes in this game have been bandwagon votes. Justified votes, but still bandwagon votes. You're basically doing the same thing as starwarsfan jumping from wagon to wagon, only you try to explain yourself just a bit. Looking back, I don't exactly feel as though your vote on Felony bringing him to L-3 was all that needed. That said, this feeling isn't all that strong, and outside of this minor fact, you do seem town to me.
Speaking of starwarsfan... what's with the sudden change in posting style? It looks like you're trying to become a mini-Walrein based on your recent post. I approve, but people don't just change like that overnight. Unless they were told to. :o I haven't exactly seen anyone else change so much during the day phase. It seems like a desperate attempt to seem slightly less scummy to me, but it could be entirely possible that you did this on your own accord. I remember barty the beetle changing quickly mid-day and seeming a bit more scummy for it, but you've had a night to go over it, therefore a chance to contact the mafia regardless of the correct answer to my earlier question. Don't take this vote as an OMGUS or as a serious lynch attempt, but I'd really like answers from you.
Lynch starwarsfan.
I can't really say anything about obbmund other than I guess I could buy his "play dumb" act, mostly because I actually considered trying it at one point. I called it "Operation Moron", and I think I'd have a bit more success with it since I have a reputation of being a fuckup. I decided against it after realizing that unless I had a power role or something, my survival isn't important. I do find it a tad fishy that he hasn't been posting as of late, but I'd be a hypocrite to make him my prime suspect for that reason. :P
Ullar pretty much has the same argument I have for not posting, so I don't exactly know how to approach him. On one hand, I want to buy it because I feel the same way. On the other hand, he does have more experience with normal mafia at his side, so I'd imagine he'd feel at least some confidence in his ability. :U
I don't really like the way he's been reacting to pressure. Saying appeasement is for suckers and stuff like that is like the worst thing you can do for the town. And you're making your reads for the same reason I am, but you're doing it rather grudgingly. Maybe you're a power role trying to act really scummy so that the mafia will try to keep you alive or someone who just doesn't want to play. Or you're mafia, which seems to be the popular opinion. If you are a vanillager, you ought to try your best to draw attention to yourself in a pro-town way.
Cancerous is an evil little child who's been trying to steal people's identities with "friendship" applications. You all saw it! He must be apprehended at once!111
But in all seriousness, I think Cancerous hasn't really had much experience with mafia, being lynched cycle 1 in Wayne Brady Mafia, and being killed shortly after his sub-in in Acklow's big. Correct me if I'm wrong, though. I can understand why he hasn't posted in a while, if what I assume is correct. If he weren't the evil innocent child, I have no doubt that he'd be one of the few suspected.
And that brings me to something else. I'm pretty biased toward newbies in these reads, I'm not going to lie. But, somehow I find it pretty hard to believe that every single mafia is a lurker with shitty logic. Newbies seem to be the easiest target for the mafia to push a mislynch on. It certainly is possible that a few newbies are mafia (maybe even I am!), but I highly doubt the entire mafia is. That's possible too, actually. Talk about a lame game, but these setups are randomized, after all. Some people seem to just want to poke up people who don't know how to play rather than focusing on everyone. I could see the validity behind this, but I still feel as those who consistently point out obvious scumtells from newer players are just trying to seem active and are trying to force as many mislynches as they can.
Nothing. My role is flat out garbage, enough to encourage the opposite of lurking. Seems to me that Empoof at least has outside priorites involving red pandas, so that just makes me a bad player. :/
At the risk of incriminating myself, I'll say that it's more of the latter case, coupled with a few insecurities. I know I shouldn't be afraid to share my honest opinion and things like that, but the whole "Midou" thing ruined my self confidence of doing pretty much anything right in this game. I'll try to pick up my play, though!
Oh, and I guess I should bring up the fact that I've been on a tablet while playing. It won't stay that way, but I've lost access to my computer for at least the next week or so. I might be a try-hard for attempting long posts and punctuation, but I guess it also adds to my reluctance to post a bit, although not as much. Maybe I should just focus on little bits of input like Ace and Walrein rather than try to churn out these tl;dr's, since this took about an hour to type. <_<
This time, I only have two arbitrary questions, but they might prove to be important. I don't know, to be honest. :/
1. Do we know exactly how many mafiosi there are in this game?
2. Are we absolutely sure that we have neutrals in this game?
I do recall the rules stating that mafia faction couldn't be more than a third of the game, but other than that, I'm clueless. That could mean as low as three, but as many as five, which could very well make a difference. The "keeping thirds to minimum" implies that there might not even be any to begin with. :( Feel free to specify a number if you do know the answer of the first question, or just answer yes/no like always. Thank you in advance.
If I recall correctly, spiresquire, we have no guarantee of anything (besides those rules that shinyskarmory outlined) about the number of neutrals or mafia. We don't even know if there are any.
Also, if you want to vote for starwarsfan, you need to bold it. Just an FYI.
I'm very convinced by Walrein's arguments for UllarWarlord being mafia, but I'm hesitant to vote for him at the moment because he hasn't posted a defense yet and my vote counts double (I'm subbing for Memoric, who had the Mayor role), so I don't want to up the pressure too much.
My second choice then would be starwarsfan. His recent posts have been totally unsubstantiated accusations, which in combination with his slightly suspicious start, is problematic. While I think that if I was deciding who would be lynched right now, I would choose Ullar, I'm going to have to vote to lynch starwarsfan to add more pressure.
I'd like to hear a defense from both starwarsfan and Ullar. Thanks!
Also, if you want to vote for starwarsfan, you need to bold it. Just an FYI.
I'm very convinced by Walrein's arguments for UllarWarlord being mafia, but I'm hesitant to vote for him at the moment because he hasn't posted a defense yet and my vote counts double (I'm subbing for Memoric, who had the Mayor role), so I don't want to up the pressure too much.
My second choice then would be starwarsfan. His recent posts have been totally unsubstantiated accusations, which in combination with his slightly suspicious start, is problematic. While I think that if I was deciding who would be lynched right now, I would choose Ullar, I'm going to have to vote to lynch starwarsfan to add more pressure.
I'd like to hear a defense from both starwarsfan and Ullar. Thanks!
That was a joke. I was calling the town the tribunal, judging on who is scummy-er. Also, why do you think there are only three mafia? As Nitrox116 just pointed out:
Why would you know how many mafia members there are?
No bold?spiresquire said:
Anyway, I wasn't doing much last week because of finals. They're over, so I can have more activity now.
Welcome to NOC.nitrox116 said:
Notice my phrasing: "You and two of your scumbuddies", not "you and your two scumbuddies". My post says nothing about the number of mafia members.Obbmud99 said:
I don't like the fact that all three of you suddenly become aggressive at me, right after each other. It seems a little bit... planned to me, but I'm probably just paranoid.
So you saying that Walrein, Ace Emerald, and I are scum for voting on who we believe is scum. Could I do the same for you, Ullar, and More Cowbell for voting on Tesung when you believe that he is scum?
I'm trying not to show too much aggression, because as you see, my vote hasn't changed yet. I just found your previous response with the "you and two of your scumbuddies" rather curious.
ROFL not Walrein and Ace but ss and nitrox. Anyway, I said I was probably just paranoid, but I find it interesting that in a 30 min period all three of you found 3 different ways to accuse me.
As to the second, I said that because a tribunal is 3 people.
Your original post about
was before spiresquire and nitrox116 posted, so this comment could not possible have been referring to them. Who where they referring to?
Time for a real post. I think I have defended myself as well as I can for the time being, and I would like to get out my thoughts if you trust me or at least have something clean if you lynch me. Quotes suck so I will just go through it user by user.
Ace Emerald: Seems town to me, if a little inactive. All of his votes have had decent reasoning, even if a little bandwagony, and he was rightfully suspicious for me but backed down and backed me up that what I said was consistent, so he isn't just mafia bandwagonning a villager (Me)
Cancerous: Def scum plz lynch n_n
Celever: Very shady and aggressive, but I don't think it would be celever's style to be so aggressive if he was scum, this one could go either way. Don't like how quickly he was to start or jump in bandwagons either, or how defensive he has been throughout the game. I wouldn't be opposed to a celever lynch but wouldn't exactly be for it either.
Spiresquire: Lurking a bunch, which isn't great but who am I to talk. His last post was detailed even if it wasn't the best read, I would guess he is town but not too much to go off of.
Lightwolf: I would say probably town, he is aggressive but in a generally positive way, also walrein backs him up and i think walrein has been one of the best posters and most positive influunces, even if he was involved in the felony mislynch
Memoric/Nitrox: Inactive won't judge yet
More cowbell: I would say village, no great evidence on either side, has posted a decent amount but nothing too big. seemed to jump to the gun a little with Felony and me, but nothing too alarming
Obbmud: Somewhat scummy, had jumped to conclusions pretty quickly, and I don't love all the d1 lying. Definitely someone to watch
Paperblade//pokeguy: Inactive won't judge yet
Starwarsfan: Another very shady player in that he is very aggressive like lightwolf or celever, but in a not as positive way. He seemed to kind of lead the discussion away from the topic, and hasn't contributed anything i found positive
Ullar: The scummiest player plz lynch. He has posted basically nothing, and anything of note has been mindless bandwagoning. He attacks others who are inactive to seem better as well. so unvote celever, lynch ullar
walrein: The person I think is most likely to be village other than cancerous of course. He has been logical and useful even if he hasn't posted that much.
Ace Emerald: Seems town to me, if a little inactive. All of his votes have had decent reasoning, even if a little bandwagony, and he was rightfully suspicious for me but backed down and backed me up that what I said was consistent, so he isn't just mafia bandwagonning a villager (Me)
Cancerous: Def scum plz lynch n_n
Celever: Very shady and aggressive, but I don't think it would be celever's style to be so aggressive if he was scum, this one could go either way. Don't like how quickly he was to start or jump in bandwagons either, or how defensive he has been throughout the game. I wouldn't be opposed to a celever lynch but wouldn't exactly be for it either.
Spiresquire: Lurking a bunch, which isn't great but who am I to talk. His last post was detailed even if it wasn't the best read, I would guess he is town but not too much to go off of.
Lightwolf: I would say probably town, he is aggressive but in a generally positive way, also walrein backs him up and i think walrein has been one of the best posters and most positive influunces, even if he was involved in the felony mislynch
Memoric/Nitrox: Inactive won't judge yet
More cowbell: I would say village, no great evidence on either side, has posted a decent amount but nothing too big. seemed to jump to the gun a little with Felony and me, but nothing too alarming
Obbmud: Somewhat scummy, had jumped to conclusions pretty quickly, and I don't love all the d1 lying. Definitely someone to watch
Paperblade//pokeguy: Inactive won't judge yet
Starwarsfan: Another very shady player in that he is very aggressive like lightwolf or celever, but in a not as positive way. He seemed to kind of lead the discussion away from the topic, and hasn't contributed anything i found positive
Ullar: The scummiest player plz lynch. He has posted basically nothing, and anything of note has been mindless bandwagoning. He attacks others who are inactive to seem better as well. so unvote celever, lynch ullar
walrein: The person I think is most likely to be village other than cancerous of course. He has been logical and useful even if he hasn't posted that much.
Yeah, probably just paranoid, considering that I'm confirmed town. Likely the reason that three people accused you in a short timeframe was that your last two posts were just overly aggressive accusations (against Ace Emerald and Obbmud99) with no evidence presented to back them up. You did say that this is a normal feature of NOC (and feel free to call me out on things if I make a mistake; I'm new at this), but I feel like a little bit more substance could have been added to back them up.
Also, keep in mind that you aren't my #1 suspect at the moment... that would probably be Ullar. I'm just calling you out on this so we can hear more of a defense, which so far has been somewhat lacking, considering that so far what you've said has to do with the meaning of the word "tribunal." Speaking of which, "tribunal" doesn't necessarily mean just three (perhaps it once did, but that's no longer the case). This may be minor evidence for you being mafia: perhaps you accidentally let on more than you knew. However, like you said, your phrasing didn't imply two mafia members... although I echo obbmud's concern that three people hadn't voted against you when you posted. Why did you choose the word "two?"
Uh-oh, here comes the drama... -grabs popcorn-
Oh, and gtg right now, I'll be back tomorrow morning.
You're a participant in this drama too, Pokeguy... I hope to see some longer messages from you tomorrow.
(Also, shinyskarmory, I believe my name in your OP is 2 too big.)
To be fair starwarsfan the reason 3 people ganged up on you seems to me the same reason that Felony was lynched yesterday. A few random, slightly baseless accusations thrown around riled players up. However, I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing, as we can tell a lot from the way players respond when they feel threatened or accused.
It's annoying that PokeguyNXB posted some lol-lines and left, but he said he was unable to post significantly right now so I'll give him a break until tomorrow. But after that, the watchful town eye should be focused on Pokeguy because we've heard nothing from his role.
It's nice that we've got some more active townies atm, thought lots of new players and yeah spiresquire I've played like only a few NOCs so I'm not the most experienced or anything.
I honestly think obbmud99 handled this response to a random accusation pretty well. While the reverse accusation was a little unfounded, it seems to be based on confusion in swf's wording. Otherwise, doesn't seem to defensive or anything.
It's annoying that PokeguyNXB posted some lol-lines and left, but he said he was unable to post significantly right now so I'll give him a break until tomorrow. But after that, the watchful town eye should be focused on Pokeguy because we've heard nothing from his role.
It's nice that we've got some more active townies atm, thought lots of new players and yeah spiresquire I've played like only a few NOCs so I'm not the most experienced or anything.
The deadline is:
Not sure what the vote count is. shinyskarmory , Tesung wants to know the vote count.
I think I edited the old post correctly, this might or might not be accurate. Spire didn't bold his vote so not sure the votes on swf.
ninja'd but on previous pages memoric/your vote was 2, so that'd be 3 on swf
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