NOC Great Idea Mafia-Game Over! Mafia, vonFiedler, and More Cowbell win!

[LightWolf]

Looking at this discussion, I feel that Celever has just kept on playing like he did on previous days (and pretty much how I've seen him play in other games), while LightWolf jumps from his rational posts on earlier days to shouting and WIFOM-arguments. Would you consider this slipping? I would.

I always made WIFOM arguments though, plenty of them aren't that 50-50, but that's not your actual problem here, but the shouting is. Here is the thing, consider why I started shouting, how strange does it seem for one to start shouting when the opinion they think correct isn't being considered and no one bothers to actually explain why?

Regarding the question of why mafia doesn't jump into the discussion: why would mafia want to jump in? Assuming both of you are villagers, that means that pretty much all discussion right now goes to townies, and not to the mafia. What do you want as scum? The village wasting its time. That's kind of how I see this discussion: it's going nowhere and only costs time, which could also be used to look at other players.

I may have been to quick to rationalise this one, mostly because I assumed mafia playing well well! Or well it being how I'd play and ask my scum buddies to play, a great chance to chime into a village discussion where whoever wins the village loses, especially if they turn their attention to the other. Funnily though, you argue that mafia finds it useful the village is distracted, but at the same time you also said the village benefits from the lively argument, as far as I hoped it'd go I also think the discussion was beneficial to the town. Say you didn't think it was beneficial, or anyone else didn't think that, none of you took the time to jump between us, tell us the argument is pointless because of this this and that and make us mosey on. The assumption that the mafia would think it's a detriment to the village and the village would think it helps is too big of a difference in views for me to seem possible.

The true problem still is the big contradiction of the village, people love to suspect people whose LOGIC they disagree on, near the whole village disagreed with my Celever logic, yet they kept saying I was likely town, this is simply ridiculous but likely the main reason all of you kept a damned neutral stance! I still wish to hear everyone's explanation's as to why they'd believe such a thing under those circumstances.

 

[spiresquire]

Celever I see that your suspicion on me is well warranted. To be fair, my posts haven't been as great as that first one, which I don't think is that great anymore. I thought I could pull off brief posts in a way that I could still contribute without having to be prodded every other vote count, but instead I find myself typing faster than I think--and as a result, my latest posts have been pretty bad. I thought I contributed well enough for Day 2 in general, but today all I've done is derail discussion with shitty posts. Come to think of it, I didn't exactly form any full blown suspicions on any one, did I? :/

I can't exactly defend myself against this argument because it's mostly true. You've all seen how many times I've forced myself to correct my points, which I suppose is fairly scummy of me. Outside of the scumbuddy part, but to be fair, I did have a Night to construct it, therefore a chance to contact the mafia. I would like others to actually point out some more problems with my posting though. I'm sure there's plenty. Like how I broke my promise of "oh I won't delay my reads" when I have for a good while now. :c

That said, I'm having a very hard time actually following this argument. I think one of the main reasons why it's taking so long for people to pick a side is because about half the game can't make heads or tails of it. You're expecting six or seven people to analyze experienced players as they bark at each other When I read these posts, I find myself siding with the poster. This is NOT a good thing. It's sheepish and terrible, and by the time I caught myself doing it, I sort of just shut down and stopped paying attention.

Any kind of discussion we would've had on some of the "Under the Radar" players (including myself) have been entirely shifted to just two people. I would probably go as far as to say that one of these two dragged this on so as to keep the spotlight off their fellow mafia, but I don't really have the evidence to support this. Maybe I might be able to find it, but I have a hard time just skimming these tl'dr's alone.

I guess I have one thing to say though. Any arguments from either side about who's tunneling/buddying who are pretty invalid in my eyes, since you two have done nothing but tear each other apart all day. Sure, you make little notes here and there about other players to disprove the argument "You're tunneling me!!111", but you're not putting nearly as much effort into looking into them as you are to each other, at least not right at this point into the argument. It seems to me that both of you guys are more interested in pointing fingers at each other rather than generating thought provoking points. Maybe I'm mixing things up and it's really just one person doing this, but all things considered, you two haven't accomplished much lately. We had a pretty nice discussion on a few people before this started. Where'd that go, exactly? (Seriously, when did that start? I need to go over it again. ._.) Even with starwarsfan and obbmund's shitty "tribunal" argument in Day 2, we at least had discussion on Tesung and Ullar at the same time. I might sound like a total hypocrite for saying this, but we're wasting even more time accomplishing very little. :/

Now I feel as though I have to dump all my energy into picking a side of this dumb argument rather than actually looking at Obb and starwar's arguments from the day before. Am I really obligated to pick one right now? I'm having a hard enough time reading some of the newer players at this point, which are supposed to be the "easy" reads. I might try to make myself look competent, but I'm just as inexperienced as Tesung, starwars and the like, I've just been studying a little.

I've spent most of this post bitching, so I guess I ought to at least try to bring up something of note. In my first post, I got on starwars and Tesung for some pretty awful reasons. I think that my vote on starwars was fairly unjustified looking back, it looks like I was just looking for an excuse to vote someone. Starwars's day one posts were pretty shaky compared to his Day 2 posts, but I don't think it should've been enough to jump on him for. Tesung on the other hand I accused on backpedaling, but reading through Day 1 again, I don't see how (he?) really was. I never really had an answer to where he got his info, but I'm assuming it was from "The Depths". That's irrelevant now, anyhow. But somehow, the two felt the need to attack each other, ending up with a bandwagon on Tesung and a heated debate from starwars. I think I'll revisit these two entirely rather than going over this whole Celever/ LW fiasco. They've had plenty of discussion around them as well, so perhaps I might finally get on the right track here. :U

 

[nitrox116]

The true problem still is the big contradiction of the village, people love to suspect people whose LOGIC they disagree on, near the whole village disagreed with my Celever logic, yet they kept saying I was likely town, this is simply ridiculous but likely the main reason all of you kept a damned neutral stance! I still wish to hear everyone's explanation's as to why they'd believe such a thing under those circumstances.

LightWolf: I've given my stance on this a couple times; I don't think I should repeat myself. In response to your other point, I agree with Ace that the argument has stopped revealing helpful information and is really just a distraction now. We have limited time, and we need to figure out who is going to be our lynch target. Perhaps state your thoughts on someone else you find suspicious – like MC said, as a mafia, I would be easily skating by without having to post anything thanks to this argument. Personally, I'm suspicious of obbmud and starwarsfan.

Also, PokeguyNXB PLEASE SAY SOMETHING!!!

It's probably not a good idea to lynch Pokeguy at the moment, but really, it's about time that he posts.

 

[shinyskarmory]

Day 3, MYLO Vote Count 5

Today is a MYLO (mislynch and lose) day. If a village-aligned player is lynched today and another village-aligned player is killed tonight, the village will no longer hold a majority vote in the lynch. However, if you No Lynch, the game is guaranteed to reach Day 4.

(11) Not quite at the final frontier:
(majority is 6 votes)

1. Ace Emerald (0):
4. Celever (1): Obbmud99, LightWolf
5. Tesung (0):
6. spiresquire (0):
8. LightWolf (0): Celever
9. Nitrox116 (0):
10. More Cowbell (0):
11. Obbmud99 (3): Tesung, Celever, Nitrox116 L-3
12. PokeguyNXB (1): Nitrox116, Celever
13. starwarsfan (1): Walrein,
15. Walrein (1): Obbmud99

No Lynch (0): starwarsfan

Not voting: Ace Emerald, spiresquire, Nitrox116, More Cowbell, PokeguyNXB, starwarsfan

Next Vote Count: 4:00 PM EDT (GMT-4) on May 13 (24 hours away) or by request
Current Deadline: 4:00 PM EDT (GMT-4) on May 13 (24 hours away) or when majority is reached.

Last 24 hours, please vote ASAP! Remember:

-In the event of a tie, the player who got the most votes throughout the day will be lynched
-Because today is a MYLO day, you MUST reach majority in order to lynch!

Carry on.

 

[LightWolf]

Never said you'd have to repeat yourself, I really only wanted other to chime in too. Also in my original frustration post I did bring up swf as another one of my suspects. Either way I will look through some of the earlier Day 3 stuff and see what I can find.

 

[nitrox116]

OK then. If I'm interpreting this correctly and we need to get 6 votes on somebody to lynch them, we should really reach a consensus soon.

 

[Ace Emerald]

You started the paragraph with "I've proved I'm 100% clean now" I was responding to what I thought was the point of your paragraph. To answer your questions, the village is staying neutral because neither of you seem like you're scummy. You say the mafia is staying out because the mafia member is keeping them out of the discussion, but have you considered the idea that maybe the mafia just didn't want to bandwagon against 2 villagers that seemed very village? Thats a scummy thing to do, we would have noticed.

LightWolf would you please respond to this, especially your heavy backpedaling that you swept under the rug? The paragraph I responded to start with CAPS saying that you were innocent, and when I say "um this logic doesn't work" you say I'm missing the point. Before I get on one side or the other of this LW/Celever fight, I'd like to know everything about your (collective) logic. Still think theres a chance you're both village/both mafia.

 

[LightWolf]

LightWolf would you please respond to this, especially your heavy backpedaling that you swept under the rug? The paragraph I responded to start with CAPS saying that you were innocent, and when I say "um this logic doesn't work" you say I'm missing the point. Before I get on one side or the other of this LW/Celever fight, I'd like to know everything about your (collective) logic. Still think theres a chance you're both village/both mafia.

I'm getting tired of explaining the I'M CLEAN one again, but here it goes:
As I said, it was another way of trying to get my opinion of Celever being scummy across, using the one opinion the people of the village seemed to agree one, which is that I'm likely town, so I explained why I think one of us has to be mafia(this had some problems holding up after considering the mafia may just be pansies) then I stacked up the reasons why I assumed most of you think I'm still village even though you guys continuously disagree with my points. I don't see how my thinking is flawed here at least: Point out that most likely one of us is mafia, then bring up the reasons why I'm less likely to be mafia, if people concede to both points I proved Celever scum finally. Execution may have suffered from assumptions based on general opinion and mafia competence, but you can't seriously deny that the setup I went for was illogical and couldn't work, were it not flawed.

Also how am I sweeping my backpedaling under the rug? I made clear posts on the fact that I can see that Celever's TP experience could be a reason for my perceived passive aggressiveness of his aimed at me, due to his natural distrust towards the similarity of my situation and AG's in that game. I also stated his drunken post was extremely risky for a mafia, especially when posting such a huge thing. I still feel there are some contradictionary points in his own claims about his behavior(say suddenly making the excuse that he subconsciously singled me out, like really that doesn't sound like an excuse to anyone else?), but I don't see the issue benefiting much more from the two us keeping it up, I want others to actually make actual posts on the thing. Also Ace you didn't actually answer my question, not the most important part, sure you said that it was because you thought it was village vs village and that's why you remained neutral, but that's not the main point I want answered. You along with the whole game kept claiming I'm like village, yet kept disagreeing with my points, so from your point of view I was mindlessly hounding Celever without a base to my claims, AND YOU STILL THOUGHT I WAS LIKELY TOWN, this is my problem, this is just aggravating honestly, as I said it's basically the whole game telling the biggest scumtell ever. Honestly I feel much more comfortable now that people actual consider me scummy, far more natural!

 

[Ace Emerald]

You along with the whole game kept claiming I'm like village, yet kept disagreeing with my points, so from your point of view I was mindlessly hounding Celever without a base to my claims, AND YOU STILL THOUGHT I WAS LIKELY TOWN, this is my problem, this is just aggravating honestly, as I said it's basically the whole game telling the biggest scumtell ever. Honestly I feel much more comfortable now that people actual consider me scummy, far more natural!

Well idk what you want from us, you're putting a lot of work into pro village causes, but I don't agree with your accusations :p

 

[LightWolf]

Hmm let me phrase it like this: Can you SEE me truly believing in my own argument and where it is coming from? Because I honestly can't accept people not finding me suspicious if they disagree with me and don't at least see that I'd have those thoughts.

 

[starwarsfan]

my bad sorry everyone (posting on my phone so this will be rushed)

Regarding LW vs. Celever, this has to stop. Whether or not they are both village, it has (had?) descended into WIFOMs and rhetoric, which won't get us anywhere. But that's been said.

Anyway, Celever: Why did you vote pokeguy? I'm probably missing an argument somewhere, if so please link it, if not please provide reasoning. Tesung, Walrein, I'd love some more content from you two.

I don't really have anything else to say. Sorry

 

[Tesung]

wow I dont even know how to deal with Celever and Lightwolf's posts,they are fucking impossible to read lol. I did my best, so here are my general observations from reading

1: I don't think that either of their points against each other are amazing. I didn't see one extremely convinving argument that made me turn my head one way or the other

2: Their main reason for attacking each other doesn't seem to be based on anything other than them being mad at each other and finding a reason to fight. Basically Celever called out lightwolf, and then it just escalated from there.

3. Celever is keeping his composure much better than Lightwolf. By now, Lightwolf has been posting angrily, and at times saying things I don't understand. Celever has seemed fairly calm throughout. This can go two ways, Celever could be village, and Lightwolf is desperate because he is being exposed, or Lightwolf is indignant about being attacked despite being village (I certainly was), while Celever is intentionally remaining as calm as he can to seem clean. (they could of course both be village, I think it is safe to rule out mafia vs mafia because it is MYLO and such.

4. This has distracted us from everything else. Before this catfight, we were discussing the very shady stawarsfan and Obbmudd, as well as me I think a little bit? Others are flying completely under the radar due to this. So it seems very likely to me that one of them is scum, and used this to distract us from the more obvious contenders. This makes me lean Lightwolf, as a) He seems to be the aggressor, at least recently, and b) because that seems like a more "veteran" move than celever would make (no offense)


So basically, I think the argument needs to end, it is going nowhere, and I get a scummier read off lightwolf, but I wouldn't want to lynch either

Anyways, Reads on everyone!

Ace Emerald: I still trust him a decent amount, his posts are generally logical if a bit indecisive. One of my stronger village reads

Celever: Covered most of it above, I don't love how he has been accusatory about so many people, almost everyone in the game has been targeted by him, although I guess that may just be a hardworking villager, just thought it as worth mentioning

Tesung: ;)

Spiresquire: His posts have also been fairly logical, even if they don't have the most substance (who am I to talk). He could just be doing a good mafia job of staying under the radar while not actually helping, but I don't see any immediate reason to suspect him as of now

Lightwolf: I think I talked about him enough already, the fact he wasn't nightkilled is somewhat concering as he seemed to be stepping up as the de-facto "village leader" or whatver you call it in an NOC

More Cowbell. ALso kind of flying under the radar while not contributing much, which seems weird for an experienced player. Would like to see a bit more but no huge reason to suspect him as of now

Obbmudd. Still my vote, he has posted nothing that has made me change my mind, including how he refuses to discuss SWF and still targets me for literally my first post that I thoroughly explained. I would like more discussion though, he is my number 1 suspect, but i'm not 100 pct confident, so it would be nice

Pokeguy: lol how does one analyze nothing. I'm not the most active player but I mean this is ridiculous

Starwarsfan. Another person we have been distracted from by the Celewolf fued. There were a lot of people ho didn't like him, and while he isn't my number 1 pick I still get a fairly strong scum read. His posts have been inconsistent and weird from the beginning, and hasn't contributed much other than promissing to do a post by post analysis of everyone or something. He has posted a lot, and said very little (until his recent post drough)

Walrein. I got a town read at first, and i still do. Another case of experienced player living and recent lack of posting makes me not fully trust him, but I would be shocked if he was scum I guess

 

[More Cowbell]

The true problem still is the big contradiction of the village, people love to suspect people whose LOGIC they disagree on, near the whole village disagreed with my Celever logic, yet they kept saying I was likely town, this is simply ridiculous but likely the main reason all of you kept a damned neutral stance! I still wish to hear everyone's explanation's as to why they'd believe such a thing under those circumstances.

Look, I consider you town because you have made quite a few points that seemed beneficial to the village. I also consider Celever town, and therefore I consider you accusation of Celever to be wrong. That doesn't necessarily mean I find you scum, though. I think you're wrong, but in my eyes that doesn't make you insta-scum. Your continuous accusations of Celever may even be making you more town-like; a mafia would never try to go after a player this hard, since that player flipping town automatically makes you the next lynch target (though this point is really WIFOM-y, so take it with a grain of salt).

Also, something I was thinking off; depending on the set-up of the game, the village may still be able to win even in case of a mislynch, right? Say the set-up right now is 6 town, 4 mafia, 1 neutral, and the village mislynches, then it's 4 town, 4 mafia, 1 neutral tomorrow. But if the village has a doctor which protects correctly, or the neutral is a serial killer (who kills a mafia) or a traitor (which would mean a wasted mafia-kill, should the mafia target him), then village still holds majority over mafia tomorrow. Now I'm not saying that this is necessarily the case, but multiple situations and role set-ups are possible in which the village has a bit more room.

 

[nitrox116]

True, MC, but that's definitely not something to count on. We should always treat things as if it was a worst-case scenario.

my bad sorry everyone (posting on my phone so this will be rushed)
Anyway, Celever: Why did you vote pokeguy? I'm probably missing an argument somewhere, if so please link it, if not please provide reasoning.

While I'm not Celever, I'm pretty sure I understand his reasoning: While Pokeguy has been posting in the thread, he has said absolutely nothing of note, with most of his posts saying "I'll say something soon." This inactivity could definitely be considered a scumtell, but to be honest due to the MYLO state we're in I'd rather vote somebody who has posted more.

 

[LightWolf]

Very improbable cases though(and I stand by the fact that 6 4 1 can't exist because the neutral could just vote in the mafia's favour anyways, be it Politician or Pacifist, while the Lyncher would be clearly on the side of one or the other depending on who their target is, but lets skip that). We need to have a doctor and they need to hit right, BG would just die instead, not to mention we don't know how much our mayor vote matters likely forcing our hand in protecting it.

All I'm saying is we shouldn't vote someone of now hoping our asses get saved, I'm fine with a lynch on MYLO but that just mean we shouldn't blindly lynch like it was a normal day, nor does it mean we should drop discussions since we could easily end up NLing. If we can come up with a lynch supported by a majority before this day ends then I'm all for it(It'll be a great source of info arguing over it)

 

[nitrox116]

In that case, I'm arguing for a lynch of obbmud. My reasons can be seen in a previous post of mine.

 

[starwarsfan]

quick reads on everyone like tesung did:
1. Ace Emerald: posts seem good, decently active, im leaning town
4. Celever: not inclined to trust him because of that whole argument they had that essentially wasted 36 hours ish
5. Da Letter El Tesung: My #2 scumread for reasons both me and others have stated
6. Empoof spiresquire: posts have been sparse but logical, leaning town but just slightly, id like more activity
8. LightWolf: see celever
9. Memoric Nitrox116: confotown
10. More Cowbell: like tesung said, has been passing under the radar, i'd like more content especially considering his experience
11. Obbmud99: my #1 scumread, more on him later
12. Paperblade PokeguyNXB: one word: post
13. starwarsfan: town obv
15. Walrein: was quite active but has quieted down with the whole LW vs. Celever thing, see the second part of my read on MC

I'd like to say a bit more on Obbmud99.

Obbmud started off playing dumb for no apparent reason and after BT questioned him, he then lynched BT instead of responding. Only after MC asked again did he respond saying that he actually didn't understand, which clearly contradicts him saying that "my cover's blown". Also, there was RVS in TPM, even if it was small I'm sure Obbmud knew about it. He then says once again in the same post that he was playing dumb despite saying in that post that he honestly did not know about RVS. He also says (it's at the bottom of the post) that he isn't careful when he posts so he has to put up a facade -- something that a player who doesn't know about RVS probably doesn't have the strength to do and something that makes it more necessary to put up a facade. In that same post he contradicted himself once again by saying that he wasn't lying. LW makes a good summary of my arguments here and Cancerous makes a good point here. Obbmud and I get in a bit of an argument, and then things quiet down regarding him.

Here is my next problem with Obbmud. He appears to me to be actually giving advice from the POV of a mafiaman, saying "Scum hunting can easily backfire if you propose completely false information, expecting people to believe information that was not posted in the tread or available for everyone to see if they wish". Then, he says that he doesn't like the offense vs. defense argument, supposedly a point in his favor -- until he jumps blindly into it in the next paragraph. He then puts a random GIF that does nothing, not even comedy: all it does is take up space in the thread.

Linking Celever's last paragraph because it gives a few good arguments against Obbmud, which he doesn't even acknowledge here. Then comes the whole pointless tribunal thing.

Nitrox has said the rest of what I want to say here.

Oh and also Lynch Obbmud99.

 

[starwarsfan]

nvm I just remembered nitrox is a mayor, unvote so I don't start/contribute to a wagon, also cause I can't be on at deadline

 

[nitrox116]

To be honest not being able to be on at deadline is a better reason to vote obbmud now, since we need at least 6 votes to lynch somebody since it's MYLO. If you don't vote, then we might end up with a No Lynch. With your vote we'll have 4... anyone who can be on at deadline should definitely refrain from voting obbmud.

I'll unvote if need be, but I'd rather not until swf revotes.

 

[starwarsfan]

To be honest not being able to be on at deadline is a better reason to vote obbmud now, since we need at least 6 votes to lynch somebody since it's MYLO. If you don't vote, then we might end up with a No Lynch. With your vote we'll have 4... anyone who can be on at deadline should definitely refrain from voting obbmud.

I'll unvote if need be, but I'd rather not until swf revotes.

hmm, good point.

Lynch Obbmud99

 

[starwarsfan]

oh also obbmud you should probably claim at this point.

 

[Ampharos]

Hate to do this, but I think I need a sub. Too much stuff going on IRL.

 

[Ampharos]

Will address one last thing though, More Cowbell. Me saying I didn't like LightWolf's ad hominem wasn't necessarily saying I thought he was scum, I just found it out-of-place, and if he IS scum I think that's one of his tells. The rest of his postings are making me think he's town, but if one of Celever and LightWolf is mafia, I'd bet on LightWolf.

 

[Obbmud99]

Obbmudd. Still my vote, he has posted nothing that has made me change my mind, including how he refuses to discuss SWF and still targets me for literally my first post that I thoroughly explained. I would like more discussion though, he is my number 1 suspect, but i'm not 100 pct confident, so it would be nice

Just something I would like to point out. I already gave you my reasoning for letting SWF of the hook, and you still seem to be ignoring the fact I have posted about it quite a bit:

Did you read the whole tribunal thing on page 9 and 10? I though that his " you and your two scum buddies " was talking about mafia members, but he eventually said that it was based on the Latin roots. The comment with the misunderstanding or me being wrong will make me look like mafia if he turned out to be mafia, because it's clear that I went aggressive on him then backed up. How would this help me?

I'll get to you later celever... iPhone text writing op.

I'm not sure that you can lynch someone for guessing the definition of tribunal. I let him off the hook on that accusation because it was becoming a pointless argument that would have lead nowhere, and was based of the fact that swf was guessing what tribunal meant. Just re-inforcing that point, because some people don't seem to be playing much attention to this thread or the context of the posts in which you rip out your context-less arguments. (sorry)

This is my reason. I'm going to stick with it, because I think that starwarsfan might be a victim of a definition miss-understanding. Maybe not. I'll watch carefully.

What is there left to discuss here? "oh, your ending comment before has left you in a situation where he is mafia, and you can get away with it because you were suspicious of him". How would letting him off make me be any better off if he was mafia? If he was mafia and i didn't grill him, I would be the next on the chopping block. I truly believed that the tribunal incident was an mis-understanding, and nothing else can be said. That is what I truly believed.

Obbmud started off playing dumb for no apparent reason and after BT questioned him, he then lynched BT instead of responding. Only after MC asked again did he respond saying that he actually didn't understand, which clearly contradicts him saying that "my cover's blown". Also, there was RVS in TPM, even if it was small I'm sure Obbmud knew about it. He then says once again in the same post that he was playing dumb despite saying in that post that he honestly did not know about RVS. He also says (it's at the bottom of the post) that he isn't careful when he posts so he has to put up a facade -- something that a player who doesn't know about RVS probably doesn't have the strength to do and something that makes it more necessary to put up a facade. In that same post he contradicted himself once again by saying that he wasn't lying. LW makes a good summary of my arguments here and Cancerous makes a good point here. Obbmud and I get in a bit of an argument, and then things quiet down regarding him.

Here is my next problem with Obbmud. He appears to me to be actually giving advice from the POV of a mafiaman, saying "Scum hunting can easily backfire if you propose completely false information, expecting people to believe information that was not posted in the tread or available for everyone to see if they wish". Then, he says that he doesn't like the offense vs. defense argument, supposedly a point in his favor -- until he jumps blindly into it in the next paragraph. He then puts a random GIF that does nothing, not even comedy: all it does is take up space in the thread.

Linking Celever's last paragraph because it gives a few good arguments against Obbmud, which he doesn't even acknowledge here. Then comes the whole pointless tribunal thing.

Nitrox has said the rest of what I want to say here.

Oh and also Lynch Obbmud99.

I agree that I did contradict myself when I played dumb and admitted I was doing so when I actually didn't know what RVS meant. I could have looked it up myself but I was lazy. I also did contradict myself in that post. If you didn't notice on that day, we got close to cutting the day short on me getting killed; which would have vaguely only been more useful then felony dying (I will explain later). In my "mafia advice" post, I clearly posted that in the thread. I know I shouldn't WIFOM, but why would I tell tesung this in the thread if I could tell him this at night when the mafia kills someone? Even if so, me telling tesung this would also make him look scummy as it would look like I am metoring/protecting him, in which it is clear that I am not. However, celever's paragraph about me that you posted states that I come out of my bubble to defend myself, but fade under the limelight when I am not defending myself. This is true, but I would like to point out that many other players have done this too, and it has not been just me (like tesung and yourself). Of course I'm not going focused on as much after people stopped accusing me. That is how this game works.
(Also I answered Nitrox116 in a preivious post #384 so go check that out).

You guys want a claim, but I don't really think it matters anyway. None off you will be on close enough to the deadline to save my life anyway.
I will claim anyway to satisfy your requests, but just like what happened to felony, no matter what I say at this point, I will probably die anyway. Have fun voluntarily losing the game!

I am a Mason. I am the only Mason, and I lack the recruit. This looks like shit, but I don't know what else to say, but it's true. There are 5 possible mason roles, and the chances that two will be chosen is worse that two cops being chosen or two serial killers being chosen. Complete bullshit. I was in nearly the same situation as in Twilight Princess NOC, except for my partner metal sonic sucked at recruiting.
Role PM:

Dear Obbmud99, you are a Town Mason. You are a member of the local masonic lodge, a safe place for members to meet and converse at night. Currently, your fellow members are...actually, you don't have any other members. Feel free to talk to me, though. You win if the town eliminates all anti-town factions and players.

GG guys, looks like I'm screwed anyway.
Futile attempt to help myself Lynch Tesung, for repeated bandwagoning and refusing to pay attention to what I have said multiple times.

tl;dr version of this post: IF YOU LYNCH ME, THE VILLAGE WILL LOSE! I AM WARNING YOU OF THIS NOW!

 

[Celever]

My scum list at the start/middle of the day can be found here.

There, my favourite scum was Obbmud. Look who's getting lynched right now. I am actually pretty confident with this lynch because he's been one of the most consistent shady people itg. If I die tonight, which I think could be pretty likely (the mafia might want to try and set LW up for a lynch, and the easiest way would be to kill me :c) I want people to know my reads. You can see that in the post I linked above, my main suspects were Obbmud, LW, spiresquire, Pokeguy and Walrein in that order (I suppose I didn't make the order too clear though). Obbmud is getting the chop, but he's now my #2 scum, behind LW. Basically my whole list changed around a bit:

Most scummy
1) LightWolf
2) Obbmud
3) Walrein
4) PokeguyNXB
5) spiresquire
6) starwarsfan
7) Tesung
8) More Cowbell
9) Ace Emerald
10) Nitrox116
11) Me!
Least scummy

So right now my scumteam would be, in I think the best case scenario for us, LW, Obbmud and Walrein. I think 3 mafias is still possible, right? Now, I don't actually find Pokeguy inherently scummy. Like his not posting is bloody infuriating, but I've tried to express that all of my lynches on him (here's your answer, starwarsfan) are 100% pressure. Because of this, I will unlynch PokeguyNXB. That also means that considering worst case scenario, my scumteam would be LW, Obbmud, Walrein, spiresquire, starwarsfan. Depending on what PokeguyNXB does, he can very easily take the place of starwarsfan. Without any decent/better than absolute shit posts itg we can't really see him slip up or whatever. This is why it is absolutely fucking essential that you post something good tomorrow PokeguyNXB! Like I fucking swear, I can't stand this >_>. Basically I just wanted to get my scumreads out there so that people can clearly read them should I die tonight, just as others have been doing. PokeguyNXB, what are your scumreads?

Right now I am completely in favour of a lynch on Obbmud. However, putting him at L-1 right now would be dumb and idiotic and stupid. So don't. I can be on at deadline, and I think More Cowbell can as well unless something is coming up for him irl so we have the two people ready to hammer if need be.