I've gotten about 100 emails of people requesting access to the M-Diancie team. I dunno why it got removed from public view but it is back now with more changes. Anyone can comment on it as well and there's an importable. Team is here.
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Pokémon Diancie
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During a while, I thought this Mon was very bulky and extremely hard to wear down. But I was wrong lol: 60HP, even alongside 110Def and SpDef, provides only a "decent" bulk, and Mega Diancie has to run a nature that negate one of its defenses. Now I'm no longer fearing of spamming Brave Bird with Talonflame even when I see a Mega Diancie in the opponent's team.
That is why I usually pair this off with Rotom-W, who is a good partner in taking on Ground attacks (outside of Moldbreaker) and water attacks. Aside that it is best not too be too greedy in MEVOing Diancie all the time since the base form is helpful in taking care of Birdspam more reliably. Though its lowered defenses and back of investment in defenses does make it easier to wear down but it is generally still above average for such an offensive based mon, and BB from Talonflame is still usually a 3HKO.
Mega evolved Diancie is 2HKO. Regular Diancie is, indeed, 3HKO tho. Unless she takes rocks + max damages + mega evolves first turn.
Yupp. I just guess people wants to get the 110 Base Speed ASAP, as it's a Pokemon meant to sweep overall. :]
Yupp. I just guess people wants to get the 110 Base Speed ASAP, as it's a Pokemon meant to sweep overall. :]
You need rocks up for a guaranteed 2HKO and Talonflame should never stay in on Diancie because of Diamond Storm.
Whats the significance of Rotom-W and do you feel like you can run Keldeo instead with some tweaks?
Rocks are necessary for a guaranteed 2HKO yupp, even if the 2HKO can occurs 28% of the time without them. But I guess everybody's using Stealth Rock anyways, or at least it's not that hard to get some prior damage with a weak U-Turn or something at early-game if you really want to be sure to kill it.
Anf if I can kill Mega Diancie with an other Brave Bird, why shouldn't I stay in huh? Diamond Storm isn't a priority move.
Stealth Rock being up isn't a guarantee, especially since Mega Diancie can potentially bounce them back. Mega Diancie is still a check regardless since it beats Talonflame if it comes in to revenge or if it switches into an SD set, which can't OHKO at +2 even with Rocks up.
Sure. But we were talking about a situation in which Mega Diancie switches into a CB Talonflame, of course I know that a +2 Brave Bird won't kill at full health or something. But the fact is that there is no reason to not stay in if Talonflame can kill Mega Diancie with an other Brave Bird after the first she took on the switch.
I'm not trying to say that Diamond Storm won't kill Talonflame or anything else. I was just emphasizing on the poor bulk of Mega Diancie.
I'm not trying to say that Diamond Storm won't kill Talonflame or anything else. I was just emphasizing on the poor bulk of Mega Diancie.
Rotom-W capitalizes against the steel attacks aimed at Diancie, resisting it x4, as well as using Earthquakes (usually from choice locked Lando-T a fairly common mon) and volt-switching or using WoW/Painsplit. More importantly, it is a wonderful check against Swampert and Talonflame (since Diancie won't be as solid in that role as she is more prone to be worn out due to lack of lefties and defensive investments). Aside those two Rotom-W can check a lot of other dangerous threats, e.g. MMetagross. Simply put, Rotom-W provides a lot of momentum in favor of your team as well as supporting it better than Keldeo could pull off.
The team I linked to earlier is working decently well. I think the main thing getting in its way is that it is constantly screwed over by RNG - Rotom-W missed a Will-O-Wisp on Dragonite, costing me the entire game. Gotta play around that somehow...
I personally find mega diancie to be pretty awesome. It can sweep through unprepared or weakened teams with relative ease. Magic bounce also prevents any silly status from affecting it. My main problem with it is getting it to mega evolve because it gets outsped by almost everything in the OU metagame, which means sustaining a hit or two and that's certainly no good for any sweepers.
I made a relatively successful mega diancie team and I can attest that talonflame is definitely one very good teammate for it. I also use latios alongside and the two generally synergise quite well.
I made a relatively successful mega diancie team and I can attest that talonflame is definitely one very good teammate for it. I also use latios alongside and the two generally synergise quite well.
Same here, except I opted for Latias rather than her brother in order to better take Scizor's Bullet Punch. I've also been running sub on Diancie, and it's truly a livesaver especially paired with Ferrothorn's Leech Seed.
True, Latias' superior bulk makes it a worthy contender. But then again, Latias should seldom stay in on scizor unless you're running HP fire. Landorus-T makes a great teammate as well, despite the shared water weakness. But you can always fit a bulky water in to tank those water and ice hits, as I do using Milotic.
Not if you use protect as I've been advocating for some pages back now. Since RP/CM leave you much too vulnerable considering the lack of defensive investments, as well as being very easy to revenge kill or force out courtesy of Scarf Lando-T or Scizor. It also allows you to play better mind games with the opponent, playing Diancie as a sorta Aegis-lite. Really if you haven't used protect you're missing out on screwing over would be checks as you MEVO and outspeed them the next turn.
True. I did consider using protect! But the loss of coverage made me think twice :(
HP Fire/MoonBlast/Diamond Storm/Earth Power is too good to pass up. But I guess I'll have to find a way around it; I totally see the merit in using Protect though.
WOW I run nearly the exact same guys and I just mashed them up thinking they would work well and indeed they have. Except I don't run rotom-w but Milotic instead (just a personal preference) and Latios instead of Latias. This is the best team for Mega Diancie, no joke.
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good EVs spread for mega-Diancie? No EVs attack?
With enough EV investments you can actually hit Scizor hard enough with Diamond Storm, and from there it is easy enough to pressure him with Rotom-W as he is either forced to BP or Roost. As for Ferro I just find there are better members suited for dealing with him, and Skarmory doesn't fare well against Moonblast. Moreover, not being at the mercy of Bisharp/Heatran prior to MEVO (Keldeo tends to runs scarf now :'( ) is great bonus.
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Pretty good. Without any attack EVs she can do great damage to them, especially after Stealth Rock. She's only a check though, as I think she's 2HKO'd by Brave Birds thanks to her thin HP.
Good to know. Right now I am in need of an anti bird mon and have been using Rhyperior, but looking at other options.
Rhyperior might not be so good alongside Diancie due to their many shared weaknesses. Steel especially - although it is also weak to Grass and Water-type moves. If you're looking for an anti bird mon, Diancie is honestly fine, you just have to make sure she doesn't take a hit. Alternatively, you can just beat the birds before Mega Evolution so her high defenses remain in play.
I'd really rather not pair Rhyperior with Diancie since they don't exactly have any synergy, sharing the same weaknesses as noted by poster above and would only lead to a lack of switch in opportunities for the other. If you really want a partner as I answered earlier Rotom-W really eases on that role well while not compounding on weaknesses, aside from grass which can be easily covered.
Huh? I never said I plan to pair the 2. I said I am currently using Rhyperior and looking for alternative options as an anti bird mon. I was wondering if Diancie/Mega could fill that role.
Ideally no since she will be lacking in defensive investment, and without lefties to recover. I find the role is better left to another mon.
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