This may be an oddly disjointed post as I've been sitting parts if it on it for a day or so. Most of these are general observations as I don't want to unintentionally hit any exposed nerves.
I'm a little irked by a few bad arguments that I've seen in the past couple of pages. I noticed a few posters (including a few who should know better) suggesting that the 90% accuracy of Meta's attacks is a mitigating factor in the suspect test. I wonder where this concern was during the recent suspect tests. Accuracy only really becomes a mitigating factor ~75%, but the only mons that I find are truly troubled by accuracy issues are psychics relying on Focus Blast or Tornadus-T/Noivern. You're more likely to get an attack raise with Meteor Mash than to miss with it. You're still not very likely to get either, though.
I'm not enjoying arguments that insist that we keep Mega-Meta around to check XYZ. Most of these arguments look a lot like lampshaded "broken checking broken elements" arguments. I understand that there have been a few posts that are more complex than that, but I still find these arguments unconvincing because even the most well crafted argument along those lines depends on a particularized vision of the metagame that may create a false teleology between the suspect and the (theoretical) future metagame.
Regardless, if Metagross is banned and something else becomes broken, we'll ban it. This foundational piece of tiering philosophy has been attacked as a process that will lead to an endless parade of suspects, which is silly as it invites the reader to oppose suspect tests not because they may be unnecessary but instead because there might be several of them.
I saw a couple of arguments about power creep in the past 30 posts or so. I think everyone agrees that there is an acceptable amount of power creep in each gen/release, and that there is a line between acceptable power creep and unacceptable power creep. AM posted this a bit ago; it's worth reading as regards power creep even if you're against the ban.
I'm a little irked by a few bad arguments that I've seen in the past couple of pages. I noticed a few posters (including a few who should know better) suggesting that the 90% accuracy of Meta's attacks is a mitigating factor in the suspect test. I wonder where this concern was during the recent suspect tests. Accuracy only really becomes a mitigating factor ~75%, but the only mons that I find are truly troubled by accuracy issues are psychics relying on Focus Blast or Tornadus-T/Noivern. You're more likely to get an attack raise with Meteor Mash than to miss with it. You're still not very likely to get either, though.
I'm not enjoying arguments that insist that we keep Mega-Meta around to check XYZ. Most of these arguments look a lot like lampshaded "broken checking broken elements" arguments. I understand that there have been a few posts that are more complex than that, but I still find these arguments unconvincing because even the most well crafted argument along those lines depends on a particularized vision of the metagame that may create a false teleology between the suspect and the (theoretical) future metagame.
Regardless, if Metagross is banned and something else becomes broken, we'll ban it. This foundational piece of tiering philosophy has been attacked as a process that will lead to an endless parade of suspects, which is silly as it invites the reader to oppose suspect tests not because they may be unnecessary but instead because there might be several of them.
I saw a couple of arguments about power creep in the past 30 posts or so. I think everyone agrees that there is an acceptable amount of power creep in each gen/release, and that there is a line between acceptable power creep and unacceptable power creep. AM posted this a bit ago; it's worth reading as regards power creep even if you're against the ban.
The reason why I don't think M-Gross is healthy for the tier is because it's one of the epitomes of the power creep we've been provided with the coming of ORAS and Gen 6 in general so to speak and when Char-X and M-Pinsir start to look like a walk in the park in comparison to M-Gross that is where I'm convinced its too much for the tier. People can sort of accept the power creep aspect if they want but there is only so much I'm actually going to tolerate before I draw the line, and M-Gross is what I'm currently going to be drawing the line at this point in time.