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Zero7 said:
Electivire @ Focus Sash
Timid
252 SpAtk/252Atk
HP Grass
Thunderbolt
EQ
Cross Chop

Comes in and Focus Sash's your moves, and ohko's w/ HP Grass.

P.S.-I LOVE 69!!! (a.k.a. 269th post)
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You switch in, your Focus Sash is ruined. You use HP Grass and Swampert survives only to OHKO you with Earthquake.

I don't understand how this is a counter.
 
@MonkeyMascot

How exactly is Swampert going to survive? That's a 4x Super-Effective attack, with a Pokemon that has decent Special Attack and 252 EVs in Sp Att. Swampert is probably going to have a spread focusing mainly on Def and Att, so it's not counting on its 'monumental' Sp Def to survive.

I'll check it on a Damage Calculator to be sure. What do you reckon the EV spread on Swampert is?

Edit: You're right, it does. However, it would be KO'd if Electivire had a Modest nature.
 
@ Pokemon Master toy's Rhyperior:

Torterra @ Leftovers
Impish@ 252/128/128/0/0/0
Seed Bomb
Earthquake
Stealth Rock
Leech Seed

Resists both attacks, and Seed Bomb's Perior in the face. Leech Seed to stop the Sash.
 
@Karrot

This is the Fourth Generation now. Fire Punch isn't Special, Sucker Punch and Dark types in general are all too common for Alakazam to safely Calm Mind, and there are better items to use then Leftovers.
 
Then HP: Fire. Same thing, basically. And I don't get what you're trying to get at with the "Alakazam can't safely Calm Mind" mention, this is a counter thread not a metagame analysis, and CM Alakazam counters that Celebi. =\

Aggron @ Leftovers
Rock Slide
Substitute
Thunder Wave
Iron Head
 
@Aston's Smeargle:
Primeape@Choice Band
Jolly 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
~Close Combat
~Stone Edge
~Ice Punch
~Thunderpunch
Can't be slept due to Vital Spirit and OHKOes easily with CC.
 
Aeroblacktyl said:
swalot @ focus sash
explosion
counter
flamethrower
hiddenpower ground
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Rotom @ Leftovers
- Will-O-Wisp
- Confuse Ray
- Protect
- Shadow Ball
 
@Foreys's Rotom:
Milotic@Leftovers
Bold 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpAtk
~Surf
~Ice Beam
~Hypnosis
~Recover
Benefits from Burn, doesn't care too much about Shadow Ball, and Surfs Rotom to death.
 
BLAZIKEN_57 said:
@MonkeyMascot

How exactly is Swampert going to survive? That's a 4x Super-Effective attack, with a Pokemon that has decent Special Attack and 252 EVs in Sp Att. Swampert is probably going to have a spread focusing mainly on Def and Att, so it's not counting on its 'monumental' Sp Def to survive.

I'll check it on a Damage Calculator to be sure. What do you reckon the EV spread on Swampert is?

Edit: You're right, it does. However, it would be KO'd if Electivire had a Modest nature.
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Damage: 48.51% - 56.93%

That's the damage calculation according to Metalkid's calculator. That's a 2HKO if you're lucky, 3HKO if you're not.

If you read my post, you would have seen that Swampert was Careful with 252 HP / 252 SpDef.
 
tangrowth@leftovers
{careful}
evs: 252 hp / 200 sdef / 56 atk
-leech seed
-powerwhip
-sleep powder
-knock off

sleeps you, seeds you, knock off item then whips the crep out of you.


WAITS FOR HEATRAN AS COUNTER!
 
Granted nothing -really- counters a sleep, I'll say:

Ninetales@Lum
Timid
252Sp.Atk/Spd
-Hypnosis
-Nasty Plot
-FThrower
-HP Grass
 
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