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the most overrated team ever
wish killer (Chansey) @ Eviolite
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Seismic Toss
- Soft-Boiled
- Thunder Wave
- Aromatherapy
bc wish killer (Keldeo) @ Leftovers
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Scald
- Secret Sword
- Calm Mind
- Substitute
bloody sunday (Heatran) @ Air Balloon
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Stealth Rock
- Fire Blast
- Toxic
- Taunt
bloody returns (Skarmory) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 80 Def / 176 SpD
Impish Nature
- Spikes
- Roost
- Brave Bird
- Whirlwind
haterss gonna hate (Bisharp) @ Leftovers
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Knock Off
- Iron Head
- Swords Dance
- Sucker Punch
haters always hate (Venusaur) @ Venusaurite
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Giga Drain
- Leech Seed
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Synthesis
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Seismic Toss
- Soft-Boiled
- Thunder Wave
- Aromatherapy
bc wish killer (Keldeo) @ Leftovers
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Scald
- Secret Sword
- Calm Mind
- Substitute
bloody sunday (Heatran) @ Air Balloon
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Stealth Rock
- Fire Blast
- Toxic
- Taunt
bloody returns (Skarmory) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 80 Def / 176 SpD
Impish Nature
- Spikes
- Roost
- Brave Bird
- Whirlwind
haterss gonna hate (Bisharp) @ Leftovers
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Knock Off
- Iron Head
- Swords Dance
- Sucker Punch
haters always hate (Venusaur) @ Venusaurite
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Giga Drain
- Leech Seed
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Synthesis
I'm pretty sure that it can take 2 +6 Leaf Storms after a Calm Mind (it might be two... l can't remember but if its not a +1 Ice Beam will hurt a lot regardless) and retalliate with Ice Beam if it Taunts you, wheras non-Taunt variants flat-out lose to it 1v1.
It suffers greatly from its bad mix of slow speed and poor defenses, which makes using a set-up set like NP or Agility nearly impossible to use. As for using a Specs set or Scarf set, the former lacks power outside of its STAB and the latter is just considered too slow when compared to other scarfers.
I've seen a few Mega Diancies running an EV spread of 64 Atk / 192 SpA / 252 Spe, and I'm wondering what Pokemon get OHKOed or 2HKOed when running said Attack EVs.
Just from running calcs:
64 Atk Mega Diancie Diamond Storm vs. 240 HP / 0 Def Azumarill: 204-241 (50.8 - 60%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
192 SpA Mega Diancie Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 8 SpD Landorus-T: 208-246 (54.4 - 64.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
192 SpA Mega Diancie Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 402-474 (95.7 - 112.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
Less bulk than Dragonite,as well as no extremespeed or multiscale, which is pretty huge. The fact that Dragonite isnt exactly a god to begin with doesn't help it. ZardX essentially completely outclasses it as well, although it uses up a mega slot. Mega Altaria packs more bulk than mence as well as killer defensive typing. The Lati twins are more powerful on the special side and not weak to stealth rock as defoggers. Even mega sceptile has a niche as the fastest dragon in OU. Kyurem-B just royally screws over balence and can run a nice scarfed set as well. Dragalge can set up toxic spikes as well as nuke stuff with adaptability boosted attacks.
This stuff, though, isn't really as important as the fact that salamence doesn't really have anything over the rest of them. It's not the fastest, or the strongest, or the bulkiest. It doesn't have the best defensive typing. It doesn't have the most useful movepool out of all the dragons. I suppose you could use it as a faster version of Dragonite with moxie, but it would be pressured to set up between rocks and strong attacks. A moxie cleaner set with a scarf could be used, but that's still mostly gimmicky. It's not that salamence sucks- it's that is faces so much competition that it's hard for it to find a role it's not outclassed in. He's awesome in UU, though, so you could try him there. Have a good day!
Can someone explain to me the concept of offensive synergy? I've heard it quite a few times but I'm not entirely clear on what in means
Basically 2 or more pokemon have offensive synergy if they can hit the stuff that their team mates can't. This is particularly useful when you know that one of your pokemon is going to force your opponent to switch. This makes prediction and double switching in your part easier, enabling you to maintain pressure on your opponent. For example, talonflame and keldeo have great offensive synergy. Anything that can't handle a brave bird is likely getting forced out by one of keldeos stabs. Similarly the (few) keldeo resists, such as venusaur, are damaged by talonflames flying or fire stab. This can extend to voltTurn teams, like a mega manectric- landorus-t core that can pivot back and forth, providing both offensive and defensive synergy.
Whats a good sample Mega Pidgeot team?
Its two mons that pair with each other that can counter/check/threaten some of the pokemon that can cause them trouble. A good example is keldeo and tyranitar. Latios and Latias switch into keldeo comfortably so keldeo cant get knock outs. However, tyranitar pursuit traps these mons, taking them out and allowing for Keldeo to pose a bigger threat for the opponent. So ya, hope this helps!
I believe it is because it is outclassed by other dragons. Dragonite does its job much better than it. Go to dragons are things like chomper and the latis, not necessarily salamence, as I feel like it has nothing going for it that gives it a niche in the ou tier. If you want a dragon sweeper, you would want to use Dragonite as like I said, it outclasses it I feel.
Would somebody be kind enough to link me to some sample Hyper Offense teams?
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/oras-ou-sample-team-thread-v2-read-post-25.3551209/ These are a bunch of sample teams, some of which are hyper offense, hope this helps!
I would definitely not use air balloon on tank chomp lol. By all means go for it, I just think rocky helmet would provide MUCH more use to you. As it lets you weaken pokemon that like to u turn, like to use spammable moves such as flare blitz and brave bird (Talonflame), and punish them for it. I would say this and lando are really splashable sand checks, as nothing can knock you out in one hit, and you can knock out common sand threats like driller with eq.
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ya-heard-xtra-got-hella-hos-free-samples.3535158/
Use the team with garchomp.
Without repeating what others have already said, another example of offensive synergy is when you have mons that have the same checks or counters but are also powerful enough to overload and break through these counters. An example of this would be bisharp + talon as they both are checked by chomp but can easily wear it down.
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http://pastebin.com/ab9CANfP This is my version of a Pidgeot team, I could not find a sample one so hope this helps!
Hello! slightly stupid question, but because I wasnt here for it....
Why the hell is Landorus banned?
Why the hell is Landorus banned?