Gen VII: Pokémon Sun and Moon (New info Post #5834)

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Apparently, Masuda subtlety foreshadowed this on his Twitter last week. I can't link directly because my phone's not playing nice, so here.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=d26al99nadr7oan1poxcqqeo&page=5482#137034

(The leaked Megas link is a joke, don't get excited.)
At first I thought his tweet was just being weird.
But I guess it makes sense now.

I still think Sun/ Moon sounds more like a GS remake. Back then the Japanese theme song for Johto league goes "Golden Sun, and Silver Moon, ohi sama to, otsuki sama"
 
Cool way to kick off Gen 7
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ON A SERIOUS NOTE - unless they're either pretending that they haven't had a going sun/moon parallel in the in-game universe, or if they're expanding on it dramatically, I get the feeling they're just placeholder names, used because they were an obvious parallel to hint at having two new games.
 
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Or the aformentioned Robopon. Sun and Moon. TBH Sun and Moon were titles which have occurred to a lot of people a long time ago, much like Black and White. Might as well say that Pokemon Yin/Yang or any other sensible sounding pair of anything will eventually get representation as a title, because clearly GF are not afraid of the low-hanging fruit (not that said fruit is bad. Mmm, strawberries).
 
Wait, we can't even joke here?

I think it's more that it edged too close to actual pointless theorymon. Team galactic returning is either a joke or really dumb, depending on the intent, (in this case a joke) but claiming mega Volc/Cress are inevitable could be perceived as both dumb and reasonable, which falls squarely under "pointless theorymon", and is therefore discouraged.

also: ewww mega cresselia gross :(
 
It's weird that we can't find the trademarks on Japanese sites.
But those European logos definitely look legit to me.
Oooh, yes. Can't wait to see the Japanese logos, they're always more interesting. Mostly because they're not afraid to change the font, but X and Y's logo got the Mega Evolution symbol out to the public before any of us knew what it was. Also nice is the little bit of space (like, stars and shit) you can see in between the words in the current logo. Really cements the space theme. Um, if there is a space theme. I guess it's implied?
 
I don't think it hints towards a space theme, it looks like more plausible to infer a nigh/day theme.

Maybe the villainous team here is attempting to make permanent day or night?

I don't want to go too deep into speculation, but when you think about animals / creatures that are primarily nocturnal or diurnal it allows for a lot of interesting ideas.
 
I don't think it hints towards a space theme, it looks like more plausible to infer a nigh/day theme.

If it was purely "sun" and "moon" then I'd say either or both have a 50/50 chance of being themes. But you can see the same decal of space in Moon's logo as you can in Sun's, only in Sun's it's coloured red. Which makes little or no sense for a "day" theme, outside the obvious sun/moon correlation (also you can still see the moon during daytime). But the straws I want to grasp at don't even exist yet, so I guess we'll find out tomorrow! This thread is gonna explode.
 
If it was purely "sun" and "moon" then I'd say either or both have a 50/50 chance of being themes. But you can see the same decal of space in Moon's logo as you can in Sun's, only in Sun's it's coloured red. Which makes little or no sense for a "day" theme, outside the obvious sun/moon correlation (also you can still see the moon during daytime). But the straws I want to grasp at don't even exist yet, so I guess we'll find out tomorrow! This thread is gonna explode.


My main problem with that idea is that I am unsure how a space-centric game would include the vast majority of the Pokedex being as there are like 10 Pokemon that can maybe inhabit space.


Agreed though, can't wait for tomorrow.
 
What's the usual date on registering trademarks in comparison to release? I mean, there was the whole omega emerald thing, or water blue. But, uhh, yeah this is weird! Even if it was for the games AFTER Z it doesn't make sense to trademark it so far in advance knowing it'd be found out. *ESPECIALLY* the day before a big announcement! Fuck.

Well they probably are already working on the gen VII games, and if that's the case; registering trademarks early so some other company doesn't go and do it while they're in the middle of working on it (and would then force them to change the theme) would suck.

iirc Pokemon registered a couple trademarks that hinted at new games a few years back but nothing ever came of them. I would suggest that this could also be the case but since these actually have logos I'm not so sure....

I know people are making the obvious connection / jokes but Solrock is one of my all-time fav mons it needs a mega
 
Well they probably are already working on the gen VII games, and if that's the case; registering trademarks early so some other company doesn't go and do it while they're in the middle of working on it (and would then force them to change the theme) would suck.

iirc Pokemon registered a couple trademarks that hinted at new games a few years back but nothing ever came of them. I would suggest that this could also be the case but since these actually have logos I'm not so sure....

I know people are making the obvious connection / jokes but Solrock is one of my all-time fav mons it needs a mega

To quote Bulbanews:
"While Pokémon rights holders have filed trademarks for several unused potential Pokémon game titles with theJapan Patent Office, all of the other trademarks filed with the OHIM have been used. The only other Pokémon games with non-generic logos that have trademarks filed with the OHIM are Pokémon X and Y. "

So these cannot be compared with the unused trademarks, so even more hints towards them being legit.
 
My main problem with that idea is that I am unsure how a space-centric game would include the vast majority of the Pokedex being as there are like 10 Pokemon that can maybe inhabit space.


Agreed though, can't wait for tomorrow.


Oh, definitely. Claiming the game is set "IN SPAAAAACE" based off a decal would be really far-fetched, akin to that old "100 launches and you can go to the moon and catch Deoxys/Jirachi" only moreso. But you can have something be space themed without having it be space-centric. Hi-tech science, emphasis on the broader world/universe, vertical themes, expanses, stars, mystery, infinity, lots of stuff to draw from creatively. Nothing that I can't imagine GF doing. Although... I do wonder where "flowers" comes into it, if at all?
 
My main problem with that idea is that I am unsure how a space-centric game would include the vast majority of the Pokedex being as there are like 10 Pokemon that can maybe inhabit space.

Agreed though, can't wait for tomorrow.

Well, y'know, the sun/moon theme has been used before with a space setting without drenching the gameplay in space exploration content

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Also Bayonetta has a heavy thematic reliance on sun/moon imagery and only the final battle in her games are in space. Just for two examples. It'd be easy to work into the gameplay on a number of hypothetical scenarios, but that much speculation is neither here nor there.
It would be odd for them to pay a graphic designer for a logo they won't use.
This isn't necessarily weird. S&M may have been part of an early pitch, and the quality/quantity of promotional material for pitches tends to vary.


EDIT - on a side note, I can't help but wonder if the logos are supposed to resemble the legendaries to some extent, or if that was only an XY thing.
 
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I know people associate Zygarde with Xerneas/Yveltal, but I've always wondered since Zygarde was the mediator of order, if it had connections to Kyogre/Groudon as well? There were some elements in ORAS that tied the story to X/Y's, so I wonder, if these game do in fact exist, if it is our "Pokemon Z," not just for X/Y, but ORAS as well? I can see the titles having links to Kyogre/Groudon/Rayquaza.

Obviously that's just theorymon, and a bit of a stretch at that, but I doubt Game Freak is done with Gen VI; there's a lot of unfinished business left in this gen for X/Y and Zygarde.

I guess we'll have more of an idea on what's going on tomorrow.
 
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Maybe I was right about Gen 7?

Otherwise it still shares a color theme with X/Y ... but if Gen 6.5 bleeds seamlessly into Gen 7 I'd be super happy. We only got a handful of newbies with 6 so retreading with 6.5 and a few new megas would be a sad state - especially considering the availability of 'mons currently. Coinciding a great new region/sequel region to XY (making S&M a spiritual sequel to XY) would be icing in the same year I get to play VC Blue!
 
Oh, definitely. Claiming the game is set "IN SPAAAAACE" based off a decal would be really far-fetched, akin to that old "100 launches and you can go to the moon and catch Deoxys/Jirachi" only moreso. But you can have something be space themed without having it be space-centric. Hi-tech science, emphasis on the broader world/universe, vertical themes, expanses, stars, mystery, infinity, lots of stuff to draw from creatively. Nothing that I can't imagine GF doing. Although... I do wonder where "flowers" comes into it, if at all?


I think focusing on the sun & moon's roles in relation to species on Earth wouldn't be a stretch either though.

Grass/Fire & Water/electric box legends, calling it.

Jk but seriously though given the focus on death & life in X/Y, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch.
 
Sun and Moon could also not even relate to actual celestial bodies, either. X and Y took it quite literally by having the actual box legends shaped like those letters; GF could possibly try that theme again. Maybe the legends in these games are simply analogous to the sun and the moon in the Pokemon universe a la Reshiram and Zekrom, perhaps legends that "govern over" the cycle between night and day without necessarily being the sun and moon, or representing a similar idea?
 
Now the above poster brings it up... this has been an interesting little theme for Gen 6, hasn't it?
All the games have had the contrast of Red and Blue. Which is pretty interesting for the generation surrounding the 20th anniversary.
While true, there's also the point that in Japan, it's Green version. Red/Blue is the version pair everywhere else, but in the home country it was Green. Now that they're more global, they might be playing into that pair, and the third legendary of the games this generation, Zygarde and Ray, are both green, so that might be a thing.

And bro Gabe, I'm calling Water/Fairy > Water/Electric. With all the tie-ins to the moon that Fairies have, there's no way Moon wouldn't be just loaded with pixies and such. Not to mention that Fairy-type is lacking in numbers just cause it's newest to the chart. #theory

I'm so excited for this darn announcement tomorrow I can barely think straight. XD
 
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