Fusion Evolution V2 (Submission Phase)

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Tyranitar/Heliolisk
Rhyperior/Gogoat
Emboar/Rhydon
Castform/Thundurus
Sceptile/Floette-Eternal
Breloom/Azelf
Zygarde/Granbull
Landorus/Swampert
Rhyperior/Delcatty
Bisharp/Pangoro
 
Castform/Thundurus
Basculin-Blue/Basculin-Red (I could have sworn I tried to submit something like this before and it was illegal lol)
Forretress/Shuckle
Pinsir/Durant
Heliolisk/Sceptile
Sceptile/Floette-Eternal
Arcanine/Slaking
Infernape/Gogoat
Dunsparce/Manectric (make Dunsparce great again)
Gastrodon/Heatran
 
the someone: It may have been to do with how Basculin works. In the games, Basculin's red and blue-striped variants are separate and permanent; it's a bit of a cheat, but you can make the argument that they're separate Pokémon, or at least close enough to that description for government work. Also, simply calling something Basculin-Basculin is hilarious. =]

rhydreigon: Slaking + Wailord = trains. There, see? I have proved it with maths. I bet you feel silly now. =]
 
Forretress/Shuckle
Sceptile/Floette-Eternal
Wailord/Slaking
Cryogonal/Kyurem
Basculin-Red/Basculin-Blue
Bisharp/Pangoro
 
Heliolisk/Sceptile
Heliolisk/Tyranitar
Azumarill/Swanna
Breloom/Azelf
Tornadus/Conkeldurr
Thundurus/Kyurem
Frolass/Klefki
Emboar/Rhydon
Slaking/Wailord
Sceptile/Florette-E
 
Slaking/Wailord
Pinsir/Durant
Emboar/Rhydon
Seismitoad/Omastar
Rampardos/Tornadus-I
Breloom/Azelf
Sceptile/Florette-E
Avalugg/Aggron
Sceptile/Heliolisk
Bisharp/Pangoro
 
Breloom/Azelf (One of mine, and just has a bunch of things it can do really well)
Infernape/Gogoat (Another of mine, and like Azelloom, has a lot it can do)
Dunsparce/Manectric (Yet another of mine. Intimidate pivoting for days!)
Castform/Thundurus (An awesome offensive weather setter, and one that doesn't take up the Mega slot!)
Aurorus/Heatran (That Ability is amazing, and a Fire-typed Freeze-Dry sounds fun)
Sceptile/Floette-Eternal (I don't have much to say about this that doesn't already speak for itself)
Slaking/Wailord (You let this thing get a boost, and it'll run you over like a freight train)
Cryogonal/Kyurem (A pretty cool offensive Spinner)
Skuntank/Vaporeon (I feel bad for overlooking this before, 'cause this is an amazing cleric)
Landorus/Alakazam (A wallbreaker with an amazing offensive typing and a great Ability)

Man, there's just an amazing bunch of fusions this time around! I had a hard time picking just 10.
 
I'd just like to thank everyone for taking part. This was an amazing slate and you can all be justly proud of yourselves. =]
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Slaking/Wailord (Self vote. CHOO CHOO! Seriously though, it's so difficult to OHKO and it has a really excellent boosting move in Bulk Up. Tossing in Slack Off as well makes it a pretty scary prospect, though it's not winning prizes for speed.)
Bisharp/Pangoro (Another self-vote. I designed this because I was sick of how underwhelming Iron Fist is and wanted to change it. Given how useful Moxie attackers can be, one that doesn't even need to kill its opponents to get the boost off is a force to be reckoned with. Also, fuck Lucario.)
Basculin-Blue/Basculin-Red (The final self-vote. Basculin-Basculin is fun to say, and not fun to face. Aqua Jet is superpowered STAB priority. ESpeed still hurts it, but one does have to wonder how much...)
Pinsir/Durant (Damn, but that's a scary-looking mega evolution. 157 Attack with Aerilate and an amazing defensive typing? Wouldn't fancy facing that too much.)
Vaporeon/Skuntank (Still the future of clerics. I really wish more people used Skuntank fusions in an offensive role, because Stench is such a cool ability even in a meta with Tadpole, but Vapetank is legit)
Azumarill/Swanna (I love Belly Drum sweepers, and I love Huge Power. This is both of those things, along with a statline that no longer sucks quite so much. =])
Rampardos/Tornadus-I (That's a really, really cool ability, and if this doesn't get through I may well have to submit it myself next slate. It's awesome!)
Sawsbuck/Krookodile (A vastly more situational version of a Moxie sweeper, and if the Fusion Moves mob ever managed to give it Grass-type Priority in some manner or other then I can see it being a top-tier revenge killer.)
Rhyperior/Delcatty (A Pokémon that can only deal or take neutral damage? Sign me up! This is a really cool ability and might make it one of the best walls in the game, though it does seem to be setup bait for Ghost-types.)
Shuckle/Forretress (Don't shuckle with Fuckle.)
 
Jellicent/Mew
Rhyperior/Gogoat
Castform/Thundurus
Basculin-Blue/Basculin-Red (This is incest, right? :heart:)
Pinsir/Durant
Landorus/Alakazam
Charizard/Rampardos
Aurorus/Heatran
Emboar/Rhydon
Rhyperior/Delcatty
 
Skuntank/Vaporeon
Tyranitar/Heliolisk
Castform/Thundurus
Bisharp/Pangoro
Sableye/Registeel
Froslass/Klefki
Avalugg/Aggron
Infernape/Gogoat
Rampardos/Tornadus
Tornadus/Conkeldurr
 
I'm starting to think rather than just posting mons and then praying people will vote for them, we can help each other fine-tune our ideas to be more balanced/enticing/etc. After all, we all want to shape this meta, but some of us aren't getting that chance. I suppose I should bring this up at a time when I don't disturb a voting process, and I'm sorry if I'm just an obstruction.
 
Dilasc said:
I'm starting to think rather than just posting mons and then praying people will vote for them, we can help each other fine-tune our ideas to be more balanced/enticing/etc. After all, we all want to shape this meta, but some of us aren't getting that chance. I suppose I should bring this up at a time when I don't disturb a voting process, and I'm sorry if I'm just an obstruction.
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Good thing you mentioned this now. Instead of simply having the next phase be a discussion about the new Fusions (which is the most inactive phase), we can also talk about ideas we submitted and didn't go through or new ideas that can be crafted better. At least I think that's the idea.
 
the someone said:
Good thing you mentioned this now. Instead of simply having the next phase be a discussion about the new Fusions (which is the most inactive phase), we can also talk about ideas we submitted and didn't go through or new ideas that can be crafted better. At least I think that's the idea.
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Although I like the idea of people being able to discuss unsuccessful fusions, I'd rather not flood the thread with lots of few line posts once every cycle of phases, but I'd be more than happy to help set up a group Skype chat or something similar for people to discuss in (which would allow lots more real-time discussion and keep it separate from the main thread). So yeah, DM me some way to add you on Skype or something similar and once a few people show interest I'll create a group or something.
 
If voting is still open
Slaking/Wailord
Basculin/Basculin
Shuckle/Forretress
Azumarill/Swanna
Kyurem/Latios
Tornadus/Conkeldurr
Scizor/Scyther
Castform/Thundurus
 
If the themed slates are still a thing, how about a Mediorce Mons style slate, where fusions cant have any stat above 100?
 
I do not really thing there was something as a themed slate, but some users chose to give themselves some rules, I for example remember making a slate of inheritance-based fusions and adding rules like that we take the secondary type of the Inherited and the primary type of the Donor .. but did not get to complete them, may post them next submission phase
 
Angry2 said:
I do not really thing there was something as a themed slate, but some users chose to give themselves some rules, I for example remember making a slate of inheritance-based fusions and adding rules like that we take the secondary type of the Inherited and the primary type of the Donor .. but did not get to complete them, may post them next submission phase
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The slate before this one we could only make fusions with type combinations unused by previous fusions.
 
G-Luke said:
If the themed slates are still a thing, how about a Mediorce Mons style slate, where fusions cant have any stat above 100?
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seconding the idea of a Mediocre-Mons slate, it'll be interesting to see how people cope with such a restriction on base stats (probably with broken abilities but I digress) and also to see if any fusions from that slate would be viable compared to the Fusion Evolution meta at large
 
G-Luke said:
If the themed slates are still a thing, how about a Mediorce Mons style slate, where fusions cant have any stat above 100?
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It's almost impossible to have fusions with all stats below 100 and not have them be NFE versions of other possible fusions. Especially because non-DNA fusions get +10 in each stat, making the cap just 90 for each stat before the bonus, and the number of fully evolves Pokemon with no stat above 90 is small.
However, I'm inclined to agree with this theme because we'd see niche fusions for some of my favorite Pokemon with terrible stats like Mawile and Castform :3
 
the someone said:
It's almost impossible to have fusions with all stats below 100 and not have them be NFE versions of other possible fusions. Especially because non-DNA fusions get +10 in each stat, making the cap just 90 for each stat before the bonus, and the number of fully evolves Pokemon with no stat above 90 is small.
However, I'm inclined to agree with this theme because we'd see niche fusions for some of my favorite Pokemon with terrible stats like Mawile and Castform :3
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You don't absolutely have to have each member of the fusion have every stat below 90; the prerequisite instead (for regular fusions) is that the values in a given stat (say, HP) from each of the two Pokémon you're fusing total to less than 180, which is similar, but not quite as strict, since you can fuse Pokémon with stats over 90 and have it be fine as long as the other Pokémon has a sufficiently low value in that stat. Just as an example, when looking for potential fusions I found Exploud + Ninetales, which after fusion has base stats of 98/93/79/96/96/94 meaning that it should be legal even though both Exploud and Ninetales have two or more stats each above 90 (HP, Attack, and Special Attack for Exploud, Special Defense and Speed for Ninetales). While that particular fusion doesn't hold a candle compared to the submissions in the archive now, it does have some gems in terms of movepool like Boomburst and Nasty Plot.

(wait that was probably a bad example because it's basically just a worse version of Exdoom which is already in the archive. the point still stands, though)

Though it could be that I misinterpreted G-Luke's post and I'm wrong about this. Hopefully not.

LordBraixen Huge Power and Pure Power are banned in Mediocre-Mons. It's possible that ban could be ignored if this idea becomes the next slate, though.
 
Stocke said:
You don't absolutely have to have each member of the fusion have every stat below 90; the prerequisite instead (for regular fusions) is that the values in a given stat (say, HP) from each of the two Pokémon you're fusing total to less than 180, which is similar, but not quite as strict, since you can fuse Pokémon with stats over 90 and have it be fine as long as the other Pokémon has a sufficiently low value in that stat. Just as an example, when looking for potential fusions I found Exploud + Ninetales, which after fusion has base stats of 98/93/79/96/96/94 meaning that it should be legal even though both Exploud and Ninetales have two or more stats each above 90 (HP, Attack, and Special Attack for Exploud, Special Defense and Speed for Ninetales). While that particular fusion doesn't hold a candle compared to the submissions in the archive now, it does have some gems in terms of movepool like Boomburst and Nasty Plot.

(wait that was probably a bad example because it's basically just a worse version of Exdoom which is already in the archive. the point still stands, though)

Though it could be that I misinterpreted G-Luke's post and I'm wrong about this. Hopefully not.
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That's what I meant. I worded it badly lol.
Still, with those conditions, it's almost impossible to make a Pokemon with a niche that some other fusion can't do better. A submission like Cinccino and Walrein that almost balances itself out (102/97/85/90/85/100) is illegal, because of the +10 boost. Walrein would need to fuse with a Pokemon that has 70 HP or less, Cinccino would have to fuse with a Pokemon that has 65 Spe or less, and half of both of those are NFEs.
The project would be better off with Walrein/Cinccino than NFE versions (Sealeo/Cinccino or Walrein/Minccino) or a legal FE fusion like Walrein/Persian (substituting Technician and Normal type) that are just worse versions of the above. Just an example, I can think of other Pokemon that would be hindered even though they're mediocre like Kecleon and Stoutland. Or they could end up fusing with Pokemon that have very low Sp Def and Atk respectively and become mixed walls/attackers, which suck most of the time...
I think we should do a restriction that doesn't count the +10 boost, if we're even going with this theme.
 
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