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Gen VII: Pokemon Sun and Moon Discussion MKII
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Btw. doesn't the shape on Type: Null's mask remind you an awful lot of the "Bracer Ring" on Arceus?
I would bet the resemblance is intentional.
I would bet the resemblance is intentional.
Another sun and moon video means more new things and this thread blows up.
First of all, the one thing we all saw coming: Alolan Raticate. Shame it's still Dark/Normal, it will die to every Fighting move. And it's fat.
Type: Null looks freaking awesome and I want one. Judging by its description, it will be slow but powerful.
Jagmo-o (somebody please tell me how to say its name) looks cool. Maybe the pseudo-legend of this game?
But I really like UB-01. I like everything about it apart from the name. Apparently it's a code name, so until it has an actual name, I'm calling it THE JELLINATOR. Being an ultra beast, I imagine it is incredibly powerful and I can't wait to find out its typing/ability.
Aether whatever seems alright. New Skull admin looks cool. That's about it.
#AllHailtheJellinator
First of all, the one thing we all saw coming: Alolan Raticate. Shame it's still Dark/Normal, it will die to every Fighting move. And it's fat.
Type: Null looks freaking awesome and I want one. Judging by its description, it will be slow but powerful.
Jagmo-o (somebody please tell me how to say its name) looks cool. Maybe the pseudo-legend of this game?
But I really like UB-01. I like everything about it apart from the name. Apparently it's a code name, so until it has an actual name, I'm calling it THE JELLINATOR. Being an ultra beast, I imagine it is incredibly powerful and I can't wait to find out its typing/ability.
Aether whatever seems alright. New Skull admin looks cool. That's about it.
#AllHailtheJellinator
I liked all the new info we got!
Gladio looks like a Chunybyo with how he behaves lol
Jangmo-o is gonna be awesome it has nice abilities, looks and type.
Alolan Raticate looks fine, I guess it is going to be slower and more bulky with how it looks.
Offcial site says research is conducted on Ultra Beasts that means there's more than one at least.
Type:Null is awesome maybe there are more like it. The info of the official website says the it is the Synthetic Pokémon so that confirms it is a Man-made Pokemon, it is extremely powerful and uses its diferent body parts to be able to adapt to any kind of situation, the helm has the function of a limiter to its latent power and agility. So it can fight against pokemon only spoken of in myth if that limiter is taken off.
UB-01 is awesome but can't unsee the second it appeared it instantly reminded me of Lillie we do not know if it's a pokemon or not but it is clear it has a resemblance to Lillie and it comes from another dimension, which as of now in pokemon canon are Distorsion world (Giratina), Cyberspace (Porygon Line) and outer space (Deoxys.) and Palkia might have another of it's own.
Look at the website official info about Ub-01: "it’s constantly changing shapes, never settling on one." "It’s said that, for some reason, its movements resemble those of a young girl." This clearly means there's a link with Lilly and UB-01 be it the same being or they are aware of each others existence my guess is the first one.
So now there's Team Skull and Foundation Aether, first are enemies the later as of now seems allies but why not both?!
Aether is in charge of giving protection to Pokemon, keeping alive Pokemon in danger of exctintion and they have edge technology so they could be the ones that created Type:Null.
Look at this "Dexio and Sina will show up as you progress through your adventure. These two appeared in Pokémon Xand Pokémon Y as the professor’s assistants." So they are the pair in white that made the role of heroes sometimes!
Now we also get Pokemon Snap with S/M.
Maybe Ultra Beast are those Pokemon spoken in mithology and only Type:Null can defeat them lorewise.
Gladio looks like a Chunybyo with how he behaves lol
Jangmo-o is gonna be awesome it has nice abilities, looks and type.
Alolan Raticate looks fine, I guess it is going to be slower and more bulky with how it looks.
Offcial site says research is conducted on Ultra Beasts that means there's more than one at least.
Type:Null is awesome maybe there are more like it. The info of the official website says the it is the Synthetic Pokémon so that confirms it is a Man-made Pokemon, it is extremely powerful and uses its diferent body parts to be able to adapt to any kind of situation, the helm has the function of a limiter to its latent power and agility. So it can fight against pokemon only spoken of in myth if that limiter is taken off.
UB-01 is awesome but can't unsee the second it appeared it instantly reminded me of Lillie we do not know if it's a pokemon or not but it is clear it has a resemblance to Lillie and it comes from another dimension, which as of now in pokemon canon are Distorsion world (Giratina), Cyberspace (Porygon Line) and outer space (Deoxys.) and Palkia might have another of it's own.
Look at the website official info about Ub-01: "it’s constantly changing shapes, never settling on one." "It’s said that, for some reason, its movements resemble those of a young girl." This clearly means there's a link with Lilly and UB-01 be it the same being or they are aware of each others existence my guess is the first one.
So now there's Team Skull and Foundation Aether, first are enemies the later as of now seems allies but why not both?!
Aether is in charge of giving protection to Pokemon, keeping alive Pokemon in danger of exctintion and they have edge technology so they could be the ones that created Type:Null.
Look at this "Dexio and Sina will show up as you progress through your adventure. These two appeared in Pokémon Xand Pokémon Y as the professor’s assistants." So they are the pair in white that made the role of heroes sometimes!
Now we also get Pokemon Snap with S/M.
Maybe Ultra Beast are those Pokemon spoken in mithology and only Type:Null can defeat them lorewise.
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Wait, is Jangmo-o one of those Western dragons that hoard treasure in many a fairy tale? Its golden scale may imply such an idea.
Also, Type: Null looks like a badass beast, especially with parts from Zygarde 10%. Speaking of 10%, do we call it Zygarde-T when competitive arrives, while Complete is referred to as Zygarde-P (or C)?
Also, Type: Null looks like a badass beast, especially with parts from Zygarde 10%. Speaking of 10%, do we call it Zygarde-T when competitive arrives, while Complete is referred to as Zygarde-P (or C)?
on the aspects of Team Aether's grunts, I dont see then simple as "grunts", but like employees like video said, they are not needed for the master plan, but they are needed to maintain appearences, and just like most team plasma members, they really believe in the good of prospect
It's not just Faba - I think Wicke is a rendering of 'Vicia' (Vicia faba is the Linnaean name of the broad bean), as is also suggested by her French name 'Vicky'. In Italian, she's 'Ciceria' (cicer = Latin for chickpea, also underpins the name Cicero), in German 'Pia' (= pea).
Still working on Lusamine, but I think there is a big 'bean' theme going on here, for some reason.
I wake up in the morning and... new video, which means this thread receives a deluge of posts! Time for another opinions dump.
New Pokemon
Type: Null
This is... really weird. I thought that they were revealing a Pokemon that was typeless, until it was shown to be Normal-type and be named Type: Null. It's species is the Synthetic Pokemon, and it actually does look like it was pieced together from other mons. (The tail is Gyarados, the back legs look sort of Zygarde-ish, the front ones are a Bird or Dragon, and the axe on its head reminds me of Terrakion. I think I also see a bit of Gardevoir in the neck ruff.) But seriously, why couldn't whoever created it give it a more... unique name? Or at least make it sound like a Pokemon? Given that its lore explicitly states that it was created to match the power of Legendaries so that it (or its creators) could complete a certain mission, it's pretty clear that Null will be a big plot point. Also, when I catch it, I'm totally naming it "NullPtrExptn".
Jangmo-o
Man, GF is really going all out with the weird names, aren't they? You've got Tapu Koko, Type: Null, and now this. How do you even pronouce the "o" on the end? I gotta say, though, it is absolutely adorable. I also think it's the most dragon-like of all the Dragon-types that have been revealed. I actually really love the eyes in particular because they convey that dragon-like "I'm better than you" expression, even if that contradicts the flavour text a bit. I don't think it would be too much of a stretch to say that this guy is the first stage of Gen VII's pseudo legendary. Battle-wise, being given 2 abilities that block certain kinds of moves definitely suggests to me that Jangmo-o is going to end up as a tank or a wall.
Alolan Raticate
Now, this doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. After all, it says that Alolan Rattata is a very picky eater, only eating things that are fresh. Why, then, is Raticate-A so fat? *re-reads flavour text* Ah, so their diet is heavier in calories than normal Raticate. But... don't normal Raticate also frequent urban areas? And aren't there still undeveloped parts of Alola? Oh well, I guess that's what you get for trying to make sense of the flavour text in Pokemon. As far as stats go, the added fat is a pretty clear indicator of a drop in speed but an increase in HP and defenses. Since GF is starting to actually care about VGC, I'll be interested in how they make Raticate-A viable.
UB-01
The hell is this... thing? Aside from looking like a cross between Lillie and Jelonzo from Splatoon, it honestly doesn't look that threatening. It's a jellyfish composed of a glass-like substance, so it would have a multitude of ways to harm people and Pokemon as the flavour text suggests. Y'know, just like... every other Pokemon in existence? When you live in a world with dinosaurs that knock down mountains and haunted lamps that burn people's souls (I'll also link this Smog article), a glass jellyfish is kind of... boring. Not only that, but it's explicitly stated to have no obvious will or emotions, which means it's not actually evil. I don't think we can even call it a Pokemon, which means that, sadly, the main series is following the trend of the recent Mystery Dungeon games and having non-Pokemon bosses. It just seems... wrong.
All in all, I honestly think that GF is going overboard with new concepts this gen. You have Z-moves, Alola formes, ultra beasts... any one of these on its own would be fine, but I'm just worried that the core Pokemon game will get buried in all the gimmicks.
Aether Foundation
A group of people seeking to make the world beautiful. Headquarters on an island they built themselves. They even have their own grunts. Gee, I wonder who the real bad guys are? I think that Team Skull being named that is no coincidence: they'll play a part similar to the Team Skull in PMD2 and be the generic baddies in the early-to-midgame. Meanwhile, the Aether Foundation is a parallel to Dusknoir: They lead you on to be good guys at first, but then one of two things will happen: Either they suddenly turn on you and announce their true plans (see: Dusknoir, Ghetsis), or they invite you to their base (Totally not evil team gotta help the player character, right?) where you accidentally discover that they're actually evil and genetically manipulating a race of Superpokemon beyond what IV breeding is capable of.
Pokefinder
*reading Serebii* huh, you look for Zygarde's cells with a cube... with the Pokefinder you take pictures of Pokemon... huh that's cool I guess- wait, what did that say?
"With the Pokefinder you can take pictures of Pokemon"
"With the Pokefinder you can take pictures of Pokemon"
Pokemon Snap returns! Rejoice and get hyped!
New Pokemon
Type: Null
This is... really weird. I thought that they were revealing a Pokemon that was typeless, until it was shown to be Normal-type and be named Type: Null. It's species is the Synthetic Pokemon, and it actually does look like it was pieced together from other mons. (The tail is Gyarados, the back legs look sort of Zygarde-ish, the front ones are a Bird or Dragon, and the axe on its head reminds me of Terrakion. I think I also see a bit of Gardevoir in the neck ruff.) But seriously, why couldn't whoever created it give it a more... unique name? Or at least make it sound like a Pokemon? Given that its lore explicitly states that it was created to match the power of Legendaries so that it (or its creators) could complete a certain mission, it's pretty clear that Null will be a big plot point. Also, when I catch it, I'm totally naming it "NullPtrExptn".
Jangmo-o
Man, GF is really going all out with the weird names, aren't they? You've got Tapu Koko, Type: Null, and now this. How do you even pronouce the "o" on the end? I gotta say, though, it is absolutely adorable. I also think it's the most dragon-like of all the Dragon-types that have been revealed. I actually really love the eyes in particular because they convey that dragon-like "I'm better than you" expression, even if that contradicts the flavour text a bit. I don't think it would be too much of a stretch to say that this guy is the first stage of Gen VII's pseudo legendary. Battle-wise, being given 2 abilities that block certain kinds of moves definitely suggests to me that Jangmo-o is going to end up as a tank or a wall.
Alolan Raticate
Now, this doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. After all, it says that Alolan Rattata is a very picky eater, only eating things that are fresh. Why, then, is Raticate-A so fat? *re-reads flavour text* Ah, so their diet is heavier in calories than normal Raticate. But... don't normal Raticate also frequent urban areas? And aren't there still undeveloped parts of Alola? Oh well, I guess that's what you get for trying to make sense of the flavour text in Pokemon. As far as stats go, the added fat is a pretty clear indicator of a drop in speed but an increase in HP and defenses. Since GF is starting to actually care about VGC, I'll be interested in how they make Raticate-A viable.
UB-01
The hell is this... thing? Aside from looking like a cross between Lillie and Jelonzo from Splatoon, it honestly doesn't look that threatening. It's a jellyfish composed of a glass-like substance, so it would have a multitude of ways to harm people and Pokemon as the flavour text suggests. Y'know, just like... every other Pokemon in existence? When you live in a world with dinosaurs that knock down mountains and haunted lamps that burn people's souls (I'll also link this Smog article), a glass jellyfish is kind of... boring. Not only that, but it's explicitly stated to have no obvious will or emotions, which means it's not actually evil. I don't think we can even call it a Pokemon, which means that, sadly, the main series is following the trend of the recent Mystery Dungeon games and having non-Pokemon bosses. It just seems... wrong.
All in all, I honestly think that GF is going overboard with new concepts this gen. You have Z-moves, Alola formes, ultra beasts... any one of these on its own would be fine, but I'm just worried that the core Pokemon game will get buried in all the gimmicks.
Aether Foundation
A group of people seeking to make the world beautiful. Headquarters on an island they built themselves. They even have their own grunts. Gee, I wonder who the real bad guys are? I think that Team Skull being named that is no coincidence: they'll play a part similar to the Team Skull in PMD2 and be the generic baddies in the early-to-midgame. Meanwhile, the Aether Foundation is a parallel to Dusknoir: They lead you on to be good guys at first, but then one of two things will happen: Either they suddenly turn on you and announce their true plans (see: Dusknoir, Ghetsis), or they invite you to their base (Totally not evil team gotta help the player character, right?) where you accidentally discover that they're actually evil and genetically manipulating a race of Superpokemon beyond what IV breeding is capable of.
Pokefinder
*reading Serebii* huh, you look for Zygarde's cells with a cube... with the Pokefinder you take pictures of Pokemon... huh that's cool I guess- wait, what did that say?
"With the Pokefinder you can take pictures of Pokemon"
"With the Pokefinder you can take pictures of Pokemon"
Pokemon Snap returns! Rejoice and get hyped!
Type: Null is so cool, I didn't know I wanted a chimera pokemon until just now. Jangmo-o is probaby gonna be a pseudo legendary. It'd be cool if Jangmo-o evolved into a Dragon/Steel type just based of appearance and its Bulletproof ability. I know Chesnaught's not a steel type but it does have armor, I dunno just a thought. I non-Uber dragon/steel type would be cool.
I wouldn't be surprised if Lusamine, Gladion, and Lillie are related. The Blonde haired green eyed trio.
I wouldn't be surprised if Lusamine, Gladion, and Lillie are related. The Blonde haired green eyed trio.
Urutora Biisuto
Basically just Ultra Beast.
I'm digging the alchemy theme here. I wouldn't be surprised if the Aether Foundation used Pokémon types that correspond with an element. Like, the president uses water types or something. Though I guess that would be too similar to the island challenge leaders. Type: Null also seems to be chimera-like in design. And what if UB-01 is some kind of chimera made by the Aether Foundation?
Speaking of the Aether Foundation, I'd be more surprised at this point if they weren't the villains. I kinda hope they aren't, because I thought the idea of Team Skull being a simple gang was a nice change of pace from all the larger scale villains. Plus it would be so obvious. But hey, if it's executed well, I guess I'm good. I wouldn't be surprised if you ended up having to work with Team Skull to undo some shit they did.
Type: Null is such a weird name for a pokemon. Null means essentially means "of zero value." Which is kinda sad since it's this pokemon's name. Maybe it's considered a failure?
The dragon is cute. I wouldn't be surprised if it was our pseudo legendary.
Alolan Raticate disappoints me. Alolan Rattata was such a cool design, but then...
I'm gonna go ahead and assume that this game is the unofficial XY sequel. We've got Sina and Dexio, and a hunt for the Zygarde cores/cells. Very nice.
Sun and Moon taking place at different times of the day is a pretty neat touch, I like it.
I know other people have pointed it out, but UB-01 definitely looks like Lillie. Coincidence? Maybe. Or maybe this is tied to that "mystery" we don't know about her.
Either way, so many things about pokemon are changing. It's kinda nice seeing the series I grew up with change up their formula. Everything feels different, but not in a bad way. I'm really hyped for these games.
Speaking of the Aether Foundation, I'd be more surprised at this point if they weren't the villains. I kinda hope they aren't, because I thought the idea of Team Skull being a simple gang was a nice change of pace from all the larger scale villains. Plus it would be so obvious. But hey, if it's executed well, I guess I'm good. I wouldn't be surprised if you ended up having to work with Team Skull to undo some shit they did.
Type: Null is such a weird name for a pokemon. Null means essentially means "of zero value." Which is kinda sad since it's this pokemon's name. Maybe it's considered a failure?
The dragon is cute. I wouldn't be surprised if it was our pseudo legendary.
Alolan Raticate disappoints me. Alolan Rattata was such a cool design, but then...
I'm gonna go ahead and assume that this game is the unofficial XY sequel. We've got Sina and Dexio, and a hunt for the Zygarde cores/cells. Very nice.
Sun and Moon taking place at different times of the day is a pretty neat touch, I like it.
I know other people have pointed it out, but UB-01 definitely looks like Lillie. Coincidence? Maybe. Or maybe this is tied to that "mystery" we don't know about her.
Either way, so many things about pokemon are changing. It's kinda nice seeing the series I grew up with change up their formula. Everything feels different, but not in a bad way. I'm really hyped for these games.
I honestly would have never expected to see a character with my exact same (user)name (plus an "n" ,but eh) in a pokemon game (or in any game period). The fact that i'm also blond IRL is kind of weird...I just want to be a special cryogonal ;_;
Regarding the news, Type: Null is probably the most interesting of the bunch imho, as not only it looks really badass, but it's also the fourth pokemon (if we count the Porygon line) that is explicitly said to be human-engineered/made. It probably won't have any repercussions stat-wise nor story wise, but it's food for thoughts at least.
Who knows if "Ultra Beasts" ends up becoming the name of this game's "power trio" ala Cobalion & co. .
Regarding the news, Type: Null is probably the most interesting of the bunch imho, as not only it looks really badass, but it's also the fourth pokemon (if we count the Porygon line) that is explicitly said to be human-engineered/made. It probably won't have any repercussions stat-wise nor story wise, but it's food for thoughts at least.
Who knows if "Ultra Beasts" ends up becoming the name of this game's "power trio" ala Cobalion & co. .
Nice find!
Also, Faba in French is Saubohne, which is German for broad bean; in Italian he's Vicio, another Vicia reference.
I agree that Aether is probably the true villain.
But it is also possible that Aether members fully believe in their own ideals, instead of being cover ups like Team Plasma.
Just that the main character opposes Aether's ideals, and has his own ideals.
But then, I'd say that the Aether lab is really iffy.
But it is also possible that Aether members fully believe in their own ideals, instead of being cover ups like Team Plasma.
Just that the main character opposes Aether's ideals, and has his own ideals.
But then, I'd say that the Aether lab is really iffy.
Lol, I thought you changed your name like really quick after the reveal. xD
This new trailer just blew my mind. I'm so happy, I was never so surprised by a Pokémon main game as I am with Su/Mo at this point... It's so refreshing and fascinating!
Type: Null - Really, really interesting. Its weird name I'm sure does mean something, and the fact that it's used by a bad guy (cool btw, always appreciate the JoJo pose) makes it even more interesting. May man-made mons be the theme of this gen? After Magearna, we got this Type: Null and then...
... UB-01 - Ok, this is getting really interesting. First non-pokémon and non-human creature ever appearing in the franchise (except for some animals in the anime). It's not only really something NEW, but I absolutely love it. It's beatiful... It apparently reminds people of a girl... And to me that girl really does look like Lillie. Not only that, Lillie looks like a member of a new foundation of "good guys"...
... Aether foundation - Ok, this guys are presented as good, but they give me villain-vibes much more than Team Skull itself. I'm guessing that they're much more involved with these Ultra Beasts than what they look like. These guys's design is really cool, Pokémon is getting more and more anime-like each gen.
Jangmo-o - I LOVE IT. Just love it. Already one of my favorite lil' dragons out there, it's so adorable! It really really looks like the base 'mon of the pseudo-legend line, and I'm hoping it so much. Please be a quadruped dragon/steel 'mon, I need it.
Alolan Raticate - Like it, probably I'll not care for it too much, but it's hilarious and I like that (even if I was hoping for a more mustache-oriented design).
Integrated Pokémon Snap - this is really really cool. I've never cared for photos in previous games, but this is gonna be different.
Zygarde Cube - I kinda figured out it was going to be something like this, you find Zygarde-cells and cores like random objects and you suck up them into the cube. I'm still curious to see the transition to between dispersed cells and 10% and then between 10% and 50%.
Nothing new with Mega-evo, but I guess that with all these incredible news it was kinda obvious.
Type: Null - Really, really interesting. Its weird name I'm sure does mean something, and the fact that it's used by a bad guy (cool btw, always appreciate the JoJo pose) makes it even more interesting. May man-made mons be the theme of this gen? After Magearna, we got this Type: Null and then...
... UB-01 - Ok, this is getting really interesting. First non-pokémon and non-human creature ever appearing in the franchise (except for some animals in the anime). It's not only really something NEW, but I absolutely love it. It's beatiful... It apparently reminds people of a girl... And to me that girl really does look like Lillie. Not only that, Lillie looks like a member of a new foundation of "good guys"...
... Aether foundation - Ok, this guys are presented as good, but they give me villain-vibes much more than Team Skull itself. I'm guessing that they're much more involved with these Ultra Beasts than what they look like. These guys's design is really cool, Pokémon is getting more and more anime-like each gen.
Jangmo-o - I LOVE IT. Just love it. Already one of my favorite lil' dragons out there, it's so adorable! It really really looks like the base 'mon of the pseudo-legend line, and I'm hoping it so much. Please be a quadruped dragon/steel 'mon, I need it.
Alolan Raticate - Like it, probably I'll not care for it too much, but it's hilarious and I like that (even if I was hoping for a more mustache-oriented design).
Integrated Pokémon Snap - this is really really cool. I've never cared for photos in previous games, but this is gonna be different.
Zygarde Cube - I kinda figured out it was going to be something like this, you find Zygarde-cells and cores like random objects and you suck up them into the cube. I'm still curious to see the transition to between dispersed cells and 10% and then between 10% and 50%.
Nothing new with Mega-evo, but I guess that with all these incredible news it was kinda obvious.
It'll probably be like Aqua and Magma where they're idealistic organizations where everyone knows what's going on in the organization and actively sides with them but the methods go too off the wall and they need to be curbed.
Colress looks like he'd fit right into aether.
Type:null makes me think of that one "type changing cat" from a leak, but the official site says it's basically made to fight with legendaries so I doubt it'll be breedable. Also it has a few suspicious green hexagons on its helmet. Definitely keeps with the alchemy theme though. How do ultra beasts tie into it?
Dexio and what's her face reinforce my suspicion that all the zygarde stuff is cut content from a Z version.
Type:null makes me think of that one "type changing cat" from a leak, but the official site says it's basically made to fight with legendaries so I doubt it'll be breedable. Also it has a few suspicious green hexagons on its helmet. Definitely keeps with the alchemy theme though. How do ultra beasts tie into it?
Dexio and what's her face reinforce my suspicion that all the zygarde stuff is cut content from a Z version.
For the people still trying to figure out Gladion's name origins, I think you're overcomplicating things. Ultimately, he's a blonde guy with the name GlaDIOn
Type: Null is the first Pokemon to have a different Spanish name compared to English name.
Or is it not a real name?
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