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NOC Paranoia Mafia Game Over - Mafia Wins
- Thread starter Andy Snype
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Yeah, this.
There's some fancy shite you can pull around this time but basically I don't want to see any votes down until we've reached close to a consensus, and we've given it a whole lot of thought.
That being said I'm peacing out for a bit so I assign somebody competent to hold down the fort for me.
Ok so I do townread everyone but here's an attempt to separate it out along with my reasoning for townreading each one. If you guys could find the weak points in my arguments / help me figure out who scum is that would be nice
Very strong townread, will cry if wrong
Hawkie - I mean I feel like I don't need to support this as much, just look at any and every post he's made since he came back around d3. The flipping between Dentricos and FH felt genuine in its reasoning and he tried multiple times to get votes off of Dentricos / push other options when he could have backed up the wagon + pushed it more. The FH push seemed legitimate to me and similar to the way I was pushing Dentricos.
Pretty strong townread
Gale - Although his process is pretty bad, filled with confirmation bias, and going off of incorrect assumptions, it does look like Gale is pushing his scumreads as hard as he can and his playstyle is not really one i'd expect scum to take given that he's been extremely confrontational with a lot of people since he subbed in. His posting does make it seem like he's pushing scumreads he actually has rather than ones he's fabricating.
Texas - I seriously don't see why he would bring up doubts about Aubisio when it was an incredibly easy lynch as scum. Perhaps it was a gambit to seem townier? I suppose that's a possibility but it doesnt make sense to me. I argued as to why I saw him as town previously so I don't feel like I need to restate it again.
Regular townread
Borath - He's brought a lot of original thought and valid reasoning since he subbed in, and although I found Walrein somewhat scummy, Borath's actions do seem town motivated (explaining why the Aubisio lynch does not seem like a bad one - option 2 I think was the correct one, telling people to unvote to stop a possible quickhammer). I guess he looks a bit worse should twin be scum but not really sure.
Strong town lean
Twin - My town lean on twin comes from two things: 1) I don't see why he would tunnel texas this hard as scum, it doesn't really make sense to me and 2) He tried to spur activity when the game was super dead, and not just saying "hey guys be active" but actually trying to create a discussion. That doesn't seem like a mafia play to me.
Asek - I think he's just gotten busy irl which is why he's dropped off the face of the earth, but when he subbed in his posts were super high quality, and he did post useful things / contribute original information. I disliked that one post of his where he was just spewing his thoughts because he didnt say a lot of correct things / seemed to misunderstand the situations but that may have been because it was late for him and he was tired.
Very strong townread, will cry if wrong
Hawkie - I mean I feel like I don't need to support this as much, just look at any and every post he's made since he came back around d3. The flipping between Dentricos and FH felt genuine in its reasoning and he tried multiple times to get votes off of Dentricos / push other options when he could have backed up the wagon + pushed it more. The FH push seemed legitimate to me and similar to the way I was pushing Dentricos.
Pretty strong townread
Gale - Although his process is pretty bad, filled with confirmation bias, and going off of incorrect assumptions, it does look like Gale is pushing his scumreads as hard as he can and his playstyle is not really one i'd expect scum to take given that he's been extremely confrontational with a lot of people since he subbed in. His posting does make it seem like he's pushing scumreads he actually has rather than ones he's fabricating.
Texas - I seriously don't see why he would bring up doubts about Aubisio when it was an incredibly easy lynch as scum. Perhaps it was a gambit to seem townier? I suppose that's a possibility but it doesnt make sense to me. I argued as to why I saw him as town previously so I don't feel like I need to restate it again.
Regular townread
Borath - He's brought a lot of original thought and valid reasoning since he subbed in, and although I found Walrein somewhat scummy, Borath's actions do seem town motivated (explaining why the Aubisio lynch does not seem like a bad one - option 2 I think was the correct one, telling people to unvote to stop a possible quickhammer). I guess he looks a bit worse should twin be scum but not really sure.
Strong town lean
Twin - My town lean on twin comes from two things: 1) I don't see why he would tunnel texas this hard as scum, it doesn't really make sense to me and 2) He tried to spur activity when the game was super dead, and not just saying "hey guys be active" but actually trying to create a discussion. That doesn't seem like a mafia play to me.
Asek - I think he's just gotten busy irl which is why he's dropped off the face of the earth, but when he subbed in his posts were super high quality, and he did post useful things / contribute original information. I disliked that one post of his where he was just spewing his thoughts because he didnt say a lot of correct things / seemed to misunderstand the situations but that may have been because it was late for him and he was tired.
How important is Texas bringing up doubts about Aubisio to your town read
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Yeah shit my bad, forgot we were only four to hammer
Yeah shit my bad, forgot we were only four to hammer
One of texas+hawkie has to be scum and imo its texas.
That all town reads post by rssp1 is super bad and it looks like a way to bw on a vote without thought from himself.
That all town reads post by rssp1 is super bad and it looks like a way to bw on a vote without thought from himself.
I dont really see a better way fmpov to figure out scum aside from explaining the reasons I think people are townie and seeing which ones are bad based on other people's input
the intent behind it is that perhaps i'm misinterpreting / missing / looking at things wrong and by putting my reasons out there I can find out if I am.
the intent behind it is that perhaps i'm misinterpreting / missing / looking at things wrong and by putting my reasons out there I can find out if I am.
How about you put some effort into looking at people's relationships and come to your own conclusions first then ask other people on input on them instead of asking other people to make your conclusion
again, you're misunderstanding why i posted that
after reading through, everyone seems townier than scummier to me, which is why I made that post in the first place. Should I have faulty logic that I havent noticed, explaining my thought process can help identify said faulty logic and influence my reads.
after reading through, everyone seems townier than scummier to me, which is why I made that post in the first place. Should I have faulty logic that I havent noticed, explaining my thought process can help identify said faulty logic and influence my reads.
Seems the paranoia is real!
And you know scum can also point out "faulty logic" and influence your reads to what they want?
Hey I should be a lot more active from this point onwards.
Borath is basically impossible scum. There is no way a scum walrein poaches someone from another forum to play this game for him. Its as simple as that. He is the only 100% town in this game and I will never vote for him.
Hawkie and I shared very identical thoughts when it came to dent / FH and aubisio. I really doubt that he is mafia because we've both been reading this the same, unless I'm being buddied by a scum hawkie I find any scenario where he is to be scum pretty hard to believe.
I played with gale in the last mafia where he was my scum buddy, and this isnt the kind of behavior I would expect from gales scum game. He is pushing all the right players imho... I think gale is a strong town. There was nothing really scum indicative coming from the players who were in this slot earlier either. I believe that this is gales genuine town game and I've been liking his posts since he came in
Now with those 3 out of the way, I should move onto the people I think could realistically be scum this game
RSSP1 - This guys posts bug me. Seriously just look at that post above. How can you town read everyone in the goddamn game lol. That coupled with a few other wishy washy reads got me feeling like RSSP could be playing a scum game where hes appealing to everyone and trying to avoid any conflict towards him. I really don't like the pointing out of being on mislynches as being a town points seen earlier as well - seriously this is so stupid it hurts to read lol. I think a lot of his posts in general have been gas disguised as reads and opinions, which I don't like at all.
Twin - This guys been posting a lot but not been saying much aside from pushing texas. Honestly at this point I'm just paranoid that twin and texas are a scum team set up to make it look like the others townie if the other gets lynched. A lot of his interactions with the other players have also been designed to shift any focus away from him; I find this a scum sign as well.
Texas - VERY PARANOID AT POSSIBILITY OF TWIN AND TEXAS SCUM TEAM!!! I think in relation to my other 2 above texas is a lot cleaner, but I think theres a pretty good chance he is scum as well. If I was to say I was on the fence with a read, it'd be my texas one. On one hand hes said a lot of good stuff.... on the other the twin and texas conflict feels so... forced to me. I'm fairly confident one, if not both of those 2 are scum.
Borath is basically impossible scum. There is no way a scum walrein poaches someone from another forum to play this game for him. Its as simple as that. He is the only 100% town in this game and I will never vote for him.
Hawkie and I shared very identical thoughts when it came to dent / FH and aubisio. I really doubt that he is mafia because we've both been reading this the same, unless I'm being buddied by a scum hawkie I find any scenario where he is to be scum pretty hard to believe.
I played with gale in the last mafia where he was my scum buddy, and this isnt the kind of behavior I would expect from gales scum game. He is pushing all the right players imho... I think gale is a strong town. There was nothing really scum indicative coming from the players who were in this slot earlier either. I believe that this is gales genuine town game and I've been liking his posts since he came in
Now with those 3 out of the way, I should move onto the people I think could realistically be scum this game
RSSP1 - This guys posts bug me. Seriously just look at that post above. How can you town read everyone in the goddamn game lol. That coupled with a few other wishy washy reads got me feeling like RSSP could be playing a scum game where hes appealing to everyone and trying to avoid any conflict towards him. I really don't like the pointing out of being on mislynches as being a town points seen earlier as well - seriously this is so stupid it hurts to read lol. I think a lot of his posts in general have been gas disguised as reads and opinions, which I don't like at all.
Twin - This guys been posting a lot but not been saying much aside from pushing texas. Honestly at this point I'm just paranoid that twin and texas are a scum team set up to make it look like the others townie if the other gets lynched. A lot of his interactions with the other players have also been designed to shift any focus away from him; I find this a scum sign as well.
Texas - VERY PARANOID AT POSSIBILITY OF TWIN AND TEXAS SCUM TEAM!!! I think in relation to my other 2 above texas is a lot cleaner, but I think theres a pretty good chance he is scum as well. If I was to say I was on the fence with a read, it'd be my texas one. On one hand hes said a lot of good stuff.... on the other the twin and texas conflict feels so... forced to me. I'm fairly confident one, if not both of those 2 are scum.
I mean outside of scumreading each other we haven't had conflict since like d3? after that I stopped caring to respond and he came off his tunnel d4
Wtf are you talking about you are still the #1 scum on my list especially since you put the 2nd vote on me this day
Hawkie said something similar to that in defense of you iirc
iirc he said that along with other factors made you town
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