Popplio, Brionne, Primarina DIscussion

[Nexus]

Popplio
Water
Abilities: Torrent/Liquid Voice
HP: 50
Atk: 54
Def: 54
SpAtk: 66
SpDef: 56
Spe: 40
Total BST:320

Learn Set

Egg Moves:

Charm
Amnesia
Aqua Ring
Aromatic Mist
Perish Song
Wonder Room

Level Up:

[Lv 1] Pound, Water Gun
[Lv 4] Growl
[Lv 8] Disarming Voice
[Lv 11] Baby-Doll Eyes
[Lv 15] Aqua Jet
[Lv 18] Encore
[Lv 22] Bubble Beam
[Lv 25] Sing
[Lv 29] Double Slap
[Lv 32] Hyper Voice
[Lv 36] Moonblast
[Lv 39] Captivate
[Lv 43] Hydro Pump
[Lv 46] Misty Terrain

TM's:

Work Up
Toxic
Hail
Hidden Power
Ice Beam
Blizzard
Protect
Rain Dance
Fustration
Return
Double Team
Facade
Rest
Attract
Round
Echoed Voice
Scald
Acrobatics
Swagger
Sleep Talk
Substitute
Surf
Waterfall
Confide

Tutor:
Hydro Cannon

Brionne
Water
Abilities: Torrent/Liquid Voice
HP: 60
Atk: 69
Def: 69
SpAtk: 91
SpDef: 81
Spe: 50
Total BST: 420

Learn Set

Egg Moves:

Charm
Amnesia
Aqua Ring
Aromatic Mist
Perish Song
Wonder Room

Level Up:

[Lv 1] Pound, Water Gun, Growl, Disarming Voice
[Lv 4] Growl
[Lv 8] Disarming Voice
[Lv 11] Baby-Doll Eyes
[Lv 15] Aqua Jet
[Lv 19] Encore
[Lv 24] Bubble Beam
[Lv 28] Sing
[Lv 33] Double Slap
[Lv 37] Hyper Voice
[Lv 42] Moonblast
[Lv 46] Captivate
[Lv 51] Hydro Pump
[Lv 55] Misty Terrain

TM's:

Work Up
Toxic
Hail
Hidden Power
Ice Beam
Blizzard
Protect
Rain Dance
Fustration
Return
Double Team
Facade
Rest
Attract
Round
Echoed Voice
Scald
Acrobatics
Swagger
Sleep Talk
Substitute
Surf
Waterfall
Confide

Tutor:
Hydro Cannon

Primarina
Water/Fairy
Torrent/Liquid Voice
HP: 80
Atk: 74
Def: 74
SpAtk: 126
SpDef: 116
Spe: 60
Total BST: 530

Learn Set

Egg Moves:

Charm
Amnesia
Aqua Ring
Aromatic Mist
Perish Song
Wonder Room

Level Up:

[Lv 0] Sparkling Aria
[Lv 1] Sparkling Aria, Pound, Water Gun, Growl, Disarming Voice
[Lv 4] Growl
[Lv 9] Disarming Voice
[Lv 11] Baby-Doll Eyes
[Lv 15] Aqua Jet
[Lv 19] Encore
[Lv 24] Bubble Beam
[Lv 28] Sing
[Lv 33] Double Slap
[Lv 38] Hyper Voice
[Lv 44] Moonblast
[Lv 49] Captivate
[Lv 55] Hydro Pump
[Lv 60] Misty Terrain

TM's:

Work Up
Toxic
Hail
Hidden Power
Ice Beam
Blizzard
Light Screen
Protect
Rain Dance
Fustration
Return
Psychic
Shadow Ball
Double Team
Reflect
Facade
Rest
Attract
Round
Echoed Voice
Energy Ball
Scald
Acrobatics
Giga Impact
Psych Up
Swagger
Sleep Talk
Substitute
Surf
Waterfall
Dazzling Gleam
Confide

Tutor:
Hydro Cannon
Water Pledge

New Moves
Sparkling Aria: The user bursts into song, emitting many bubbles. Any Pokemon suffering from a burn will be healed by the touch of these bubbles. 100% Accuracy [Water] 90 BP, Special.

New Ability
Liquid Voice: All sound-based moves become Water-type moves.

 

[Durengardnit]

Sparkling Aria has higher base power than Smelling Salts and Wake Up Slap. If it still has the double power effect when hitting a burned enemy, combining it with Scald or pairing Primarina with a Will-O Wisp user might actually be a useful niche to burn special attackers that don´t care about the attack decrease and then hit them for massive damage.

If it doesn´t double power, then it will be outclassed by either Scald for defensive sets or Liquid Hyper Voice for offensive sets.

 

[Teru_XD]

Sparkling Aria has higher base power than Smelling Salts and Wake Up Slap. If it still has the double power effect when hitting a burned enemy, combining it with Scald or pairing Primarina with a Will-O Wisp user might actually be a useful niche to burn special attackers that don´t care about the attack decrease and then hit them for massive damage.

If it doesn´t double power, then it will be outclassed by either Scald for defensive sets or Liquid Hyper Voice for offensive sets.

I'd like to know if the burn healing effect activates if a Pokemon with Water Absorb or Storm Drain is hit by it. I could see it getting some use that way (if any).

There's also the possibility of ruining those Guts attackers that carry Flame Orb, but if I recall correctly, the Flame Orb would burn them again at the end of the turn.

 

[ABR]

Do we know if Liquid Voice solely changes type or does it also have some sort pf power boost like Aerilate and Pixilate?

 

[Durengardnit]

There's also the possibility of ruining those Guts attackers that carry Flame Orb, but if I recall correctly, the Flame Orb would burn them again at the end of the turn.

Most Guts attackers use Toxic Orb anyway, as Toxic damage drains less HP than Burn damage for the first two turns (and Guts attackers usually use a hit and run tactic).

 

[Deck Knight]

Primarina looks like it will have a great niche as a special attacker with a great set of resistances. It will have to compete with Tapu Fini though, so when we see that mons stats / movepool we can judge whether it's outclassed or not.

Liquid Voice unfortunately seems very gimmicky if it's just a type change. Even with the boost, Hyper Voice barely edges out Hydro Pump, though the accuracy and Sub bypass are welcome. It also has Energy Ball so it can be cool mates with Jellicent.

Support movepool is a little lacking, but Encore is a cool move, as is Perish Song. It can Dual Screen as well.

 

[Agent Gibbs]

I wonder if Liquid Voice changes the opponent's sound moves to Water as well? That could be cool since Primarina could come in on stuff like Mega Gardevoir's Hyper Voice, random Boombursts, etc. and tank them pretty easily.

 

[TheMantyke]

We have never had a non-mega Water-type Pokemon with Special Attack this high legal in a flat environment (BSS, BSD, VGC 2017) ever. The closest thing we've gotten is Omastar and Premarina hits 11 more SpAtk than that. Provided Liquid Voice is released, this thing seems like something to try in BSD. That power with nice defensive typing is hard to not try out. Looking forward to it.

 

[Theorymon]

As I mentioned in the other thread, for Battle Spot Singles, Bold Primarina just avoids a 2HKO from non Life Orb Garchomp. Ufortunately, +1 Mega Salamence still OHKOs it. Great typing, but that defense stat is disapointing for a bulky water imo.

Really crossing my fingers that Liquid Voice gives a Aerilate like boost, that would be huge for Primarina in Battle Spot Doubles and VGC. I would certainly try it on Trick Room then!

 

[Groudon ex]

Primarina seems to me like it would be best suited to a Choice Specs set. It has a very similar stat distribution to Sylveon, with slightly less HP and Sp. Defense but more Sp. Attack, and of course the additional Water typing. While Liquid Hyper Voice isn't quite as spammable as Pixilate Hyper Voice, Primarina has superior coverage and with good prediction it can pretty much put a dent in anything that doesn't invest heavily in Sp. Defense. Hyper Voice/Moonblast are strong STAB moves, whereas for coverage options it can choose two from Energy Ball, Psychic and HP Fire. Its average HP and low Defense/Speed probably keep it out of OU (or at least no higher than about C rank), but it's sure to make a splash in UU considering how it's pretty much a superior Sylveon in most respects. Note that this is assuming Liquid Voice does indeed provide a 30% power boost to sound moves.

It could also potentially run a RestTalk tank set, as it has more offensive presence than (defensive) Azumarill and because of its naturally high Sp. Defense it can safely afford to go 252/252+ and still be bulky on the Special spectrum. However, it does miss out on Sap Sipper, and isn't bulky enough to reliably check Mega Zard X even with full investment.

 

[PK Gaming]

Primarina seems like a solid Pokemon. It can switch into a bunch of relevant Pokemon (ie: Keldeo, Heatran, etc) and spam Scald without much opposition. It pretty much requires defensive investment since its physical defense is unimpressive and it isn't doing much with that low base speed.

Primarina looks like it will have a great niche as a special attacker with a great set of resistances. It will have to compete with Tapu Fini though, so when we see that mons stats / movepool we can judge whether it's outclassed or not.

Liquid Voice unfortunately seems very gimmicky if it's just a type change. Even with the boost, Hyper Voice barely edges out Hydro Pump, though the accuracy and Sub bypass are welcome. It also has Energy Ball so it can be cool mates with Jellicent.

Support movepool is a little lacking, but Encore is a cool move, as is Perish Song. It can Dual Screen as well.

Hyper Voice having perfect accuracy and power comparable to Hydro Pump is a very big deal, actually.

 

[Demantoid]

We have never had a non-mega Pokemon with Special Attack this high legal in a flat environment (BSS, BSD, VGC 2017) ever. The closest thing we've gotten is Omastar and Premarina hits 11 more SpAtk than that. Provided Liquid Voice is released, this thing seems like something to try in BSD. That power with nice defensive typing is hard to not try out. Looking forward to it.

I'm assuming you only meant water-type Pokemon.

If sound moves do get boosted, Primarina can become a very powerful spread attacker in doubles especially on rain teams.

 

[stage7_4]

Wow, we've been complaining about Decidueye's speed but it's still the fastest of the group! Not much else to say at this point, it almost strikes me as a water/fairy version of Sylveon.

 

[Wrulfy]

I always wished for a special sweeper starter with actual usable special stat.

The time has finally come.

Also having more extra coverage than just ice beam in the TM list is wonderfull. Not going to care to look at the matchup table, I only care this thing can learn 4 different types of offensive special moves outside of his stab (not counting normal)

I hope the HA does give a boost like pixilate and such. As far I remember, the game description of these didn't say a thing about extra boosts, so I guess liquid voice could get one

Also, I'm assuming that sparkling aria targets a single objetive, but heals the whole field. Too high power for getting a double like smelling salts

 

[nameless90]

At a first glance, Primarina seems an "upgraded" version of Sylveon, but with the additional Fairy typing alongside STAB Moonblast.
At a second glance, I don't think this is enough to justify its use in Singles because:
(1) it lacks support moves i.e. Wish/Aromatheraphy. In general Screens support is done well by Latias if you really want it (110 base Spe teaches this), albeit Knock Off is a thing in OU;
(2) it spots meager defense, even taking in account the resistances provided by the Fairy type.

If you want an offensive and tankish Fairy in OU you can have Azumarill, Mega Gardevoir or Sylveon.

I think it is much more suited in UU/BL due to these flaws (lack of supporting moves and too many points wasted into Atk).

 

[Cipher Admin Lovrina]

It's also worth mentioning that Sparkling Aria is the only method by which Primarina can use its Signature Z-Move!

 

[oreofestar]

Liquid Voice is kinda useless if it doesnt also boost the power of the move to be honest...I was hoping it would at least get Boomburst so you could have a monstrous stab...egg move maybe?

 

[NinetyNineNo]

Do we know if Liquid Voice has an -ate boost?

 

[R_N]

Liquid Voice is kinda useless if it doesnt also boost the power of the move to be honest...I was hoping it would at least get Boomburst so you could have a monstrous stab...egg move maybe?

Egg Moves:

Charm
Amnesia
Aqua Ring
Aromatic Mist
Perish Song
Wonder Room

 

[nameless90]

Sincerely, I don't think that the addition of a Z-Move can change much: ok, you have a super strong move, but only once per battle.
This means that if the opponent has a Water resist or a Water immunity you "lose" the opportunity to have run another useful item i.e. Leftovers or Choice Specs/Scarf.
Did somebody know if Z-Moves can be stopped completely with Protect? I wish no, otherwise the Gems are way better than Z-Moves.

 

[oreofestar]

no Boomburst is ass, if Liquid Voice doesnt boost the attacks then it doesnt matter, might as well run scald over hyper voice and trade the 10BP for a 30% chance to burn.

 

[2MN]

no Boomburst is ass, if Liquid Voice doesnt boost the attacks then it doesnt matter, might as well run scald over hyper voice and trade the 10BP for a 30% chance to burn.

scald only targets one pokemon in doubles, is the key thing

 

[oreofestar]

scald only targets one pokemon in doubles, is the key thing

I guess, but for the singles meta game doesnt matter much...disappointing if it just gets a way worse -ate ability

 

[Bombkirby]

An accurate Hydro Pump that ignores sub isn't a gimmick. No one wants to lose a game due to a missed Hydro Pump.

 

[oreofestar]

If it doesnt get a boost its not doing Hydro Pump levels of damage, so calling it an accurate Hydro Pump isnt really accurate.