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Hey guys, crackpot theory. What if moody is the persuader and targeted Texas AND didn't fail. Like that is a just as reasonable thought as Texas faking persuaded, so let's not restrict ourselves to moody and texas have to be scumbuddies.
 
Blazade said:
OK, well at the very least I want mail guy and Mason claims

Walrein+Martin+Mail guy+mason is a lot of actual confirmed town and I suspect we'll find a few more from roles but I can definitely clear more in my mind from scumhunting and gt some actual PoE going on idlers/bandwagoners/detached people I've been seeing. This shit blows up.

Last night I was thinking on lightwolf though and I disliked not only the moody puch, but his timing and illegitimacy with his intentions. He put a vote on for pressure with no intention of moving it or the wagon, asked a follow up series mere minutes before deadline, and blamed anyone for not suggesting real wagons earlier at the time he was supposedly still investigating. This kind of timing shit is exactly what he pulled in DBZ and regardless of shubaka's flip I stand by my move(why people followed a Texas randwagon minutes before instead of my attempt to give an alternative in pancake hours earlier I'll never know)

Additionally I never put much stock in Lightwolf's arguments against moody, and found that he was picking apart logic instead of discerning how those contradictions lead to scummy actions and motivation. On the one hand pressuring over a statement about joke posts is one way to catch someone in a lie but in actuality he beat the issue over the head and kept focusing on Moody's floundering in the argument.

Re: pubinspect if it's not clear based on the nature of the timing of the announcement I think it's very possible this is a question asker type role(hint: massclaim is helpful if you guys still don't see it), that doesn't "target" lightwolf per se but instead asks a question of the host. Very tangentially I think pancake's flashvote could be a sign of him knowing LW is scum and not wanting to appear hesitant but that's reaching and conjecture.

So yeah, I'm totally down to lynch LW today but I think there's a ton of ground to be made discussing events at least.
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Let me address this now that I found it.

For one I started a pressure vote on Moody at the time people were just throwing around solo votes with nothing gaining traction, this was like 29-30 hours before deadline and had the intention of moody answering a question he had avoided for god knows long. He shows up like 2.5 hours before the damn deadline ASKING FOR THE CASE AGAINST HIM and then failing to fully address the points provided(even his admittance he fucked up about the walrein's defensive posts was more excuse than saying he was wrong). How in the world was that unnatural to keep it on him? Your point hinges on the assumption I wouldn't have switched from moody if he answered the questions adequately a day earlier, you have no proof of this. Also yes my claim that no one started a counter wagon is completely legit because guess what, my lynch was sitting there for 28 hours with extremely little contention. Here is also a fact, I didn't get a villager lynched yet, you did.

As for my moody arguments. HE LIED then downplayed it and failed to provide proof for 2 ingame days. You bring up DBZ? I will bring up a game Walrein surely remembers well, where I kept beating the head of the village with my suspicions on a person that no one bought, in the end even calling the scum team correct before my death, but people kept not buying it and brushing aside my points enough till I had a mental breakdown in the thread about it. I always hammer and hammer on about my main suspects and moody has done nothing to make me not suspect him.

If you want to reason I'm scum then provide actual analysis on my posts on moody's behavior and lack of proof providing and constant dodging of the issue and read not just DBZ for my playstyle but also provide proof of similarity. Guess what all you will find is that while I evolve I keep up the hunter's mark approach in all my games. If you can't do those you stand on no ground just as moody didn't on walrein.
 
I agree with blazade that the push felt forced and the vote last cycle was anounced as a pressure wagon, with ultimately no other targets being significantly put into question that I can think of and a huge wagon on me with people shrugging "oh well you're the best option" as a result.
 
Ey lightwolf you're not the one I need to convince. Rather than get into an argument with someone over their own alignment I implore others to voice their concerns (they can agree with LW here) and I'll address them asap
 
Blazade said:
Ey lightwolf you're not the one I need to convince. Rather than get into an argument with someone over their own alignment I implore others to voice their concerns (they can agree with LW here) and I'll address them asap
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That's a highly dishonest way of handling it. I addressed your points, all you are showing is that you are either unable to or unwilling to address them. Therefore I implore others to not let Blazade get away with this.

MoodyCloud said:
I agree with blazade that the push felt forced and the vote last cycle was anounced as a pressure wagon, with ultimately no other targets being significantly put into question that I can think of and a huge wagon on me with people shrugging "oh well you're the best option" as a result.
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And whose fault is it that the pressure wagon got no result till the end of the day and whose fault is it no other targets were announced. I think you are scum so of course I'm fine with you being lynched which is why I tried to pressure you hoping your reaction would convince others. Blazade is using this to make me look worse which is hilarious when everything was out of my control that is listed as suspicious, be it lack of other wagons or the pressure wagon getting out of hand, optherwise show me how I managed to keep you from replying and forced everyone else not to suggest any other options and pursue them.
 
smashlloyd20 said:
I tracked MoodyCloud last night. Moody targeted Texas. Moody I'd love to hear a claim from you as to what your role is; considering you've said multiple times you townread Texas, either you have a beneficial role (omniguard? But I think we're currently established that there's another omniguard on town targeting LightWolf and there's a very small chance we have two)...or you're scum and are trying to kill/hook/whatever Texas because you think he's a thread to the mafia. What do you have going on?
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ButteredToast said:
Vote Moodycould

I don't see how we don't vote for either Moodycloud today. Him surviving both days is a fucking joke because of the out of fucking nowhere votes to save him. There is no fucking way that he isn't some sort of mafia power role. It fucking fits with everything.

If Texas and Moody are scum, it would make sense that Texas would want to be cleared as town with a fake public inspect because he was in on Moody surviving. It might have given him the balls to try and save moody on a last ditch Day 2 Lynch, because he thought he and his scum buddies wanted to throw Lightwolf's name under the bus as a scum to take the heat off of what he did.

The snag is that IF lightwolf was omniguard, and there is a lot more fucking evidence to think that he was than wasn't, that massively fucks up the plan and puts Texas in a desperation mode to full claim.

This shit all fits into place to me and is pretty fucking neat. And moody fucking saying that he didn't and then did target Texas is fucking nuts. Maybe Moody is the fucking persuader and used his role on Texas to give Texas more town cred? And he tried to fucking cover that up and realized it was a bad move to lie about targeting him and made up that it somehow failed. THE BIG HOLE IN THIS STORY IS HOW DID THE FUCKING PERSUADE HIT TEXAS WHEN MOODYCLOUD'S HIT DIDN'T?

Both of their stories aren't fucking adding up at all, and Moody has been protected twice from death by Texas and his shit doesn't add up at all. A moody scum flip would give us a clear shot at Texas the next day and would give us fucking answers about the damned "public inspect" that's being put into question.

As for an all claim, I feel that we need to hold off with that until AFTER a Moody lynch. The reason is that if moody flips scum and I'd bet my ass he does, then Texas is going down with him. Public claiming NOW when I feel we have a sight on two strong lynches is pretty ridiculous and gives a lot of power to the scum. But I guess at this point, scum has a lot of fucking targets they would want to hit anyways.
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At this point I feel like too much has happened for Moody to not be scum. Either Moody's scum or there's some crazy shenanigans going on. Either way, I am definitely in favour of a Moody lynch.

I'll try to post something of value later today.
 
While I don't like massclaiming as it generally messes with NOC scumhunting, at this point I support we might as well since we have too many soft and full claims already. Especially from moody who has been caught targeting Texas, I'm fairly interested what role would have a reason to do that considering his disposition towards texas :P
 
Yeah who might have a reason to target someone who is possibly inspected town ? Food for thought.

In case that hadn't been made clear a bunch of times, me being the main wagon last cycle was bad town play because me flipping town would have made the cycle being mostly wasted from lack of discussion made on other suspects. Doing the same this cycle isn't any better and even though lightwolf might appreciate the attention being focused on someone else if he's town he should know better than to tunnel for 3 cycles straight.
Read post coming later in the cycle
 
Massclaim fucks with scumhunting, and I highly suggest we don't do it. I really hate how anyone has been claiming at all in non-necessary situations. I get that smashlloyd is new but the rest of you guys are better than this.

Taking another look at Blank Slate, I've decided that he is probably just new and he is no longer a major scumread. moody remains a major scumread of mine but I'm staying on LightWolf unless something major changes because I don't like his response to the pub cop / modposter. I townread acidphoenix due to his recent comments, although he should stop the claiming shit.
 
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