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Mate I think we all agree the power level he has is pretty ridiculous. So far though his actions have generally been helpful to town, reviving walrein only makes sense as town or as neutral recruiter and the latter is much more preferable to solve via night action given the mislynches so far.

He's not above suspicion by any means, my town bloc are people I'm confident in but I'm always monitoring to see if things change. But for now though pressure on him is better saved for a future day. You dying tonight wouldn't make any sense anyway given the conf!towns scum have to choose from.
 
pancake and knights beside you. Technically Former Hope did too, but then he claimed his condition for the Vig, which did fall in line, but could be just trying to match my claim.

I don't quite see why my claim is iron clad with technically 4 contradictors, though one confirmed neutral with very questionable reasons to actually idle as I claimed, ESPECIALLY when their role was doubled n2? Also Walrein revived town contradicting mine too, with the caveat being him showing up may or may not been negated by his death. I def want to convince everyone of my role being the real, scum finding deal.(After martin took the most op role this game award from me,)
 
On the other hand, lightwolf's ability is in no way only helpful to townsmen. Just something to keep in mind.
I do think LW is town, but it's good for others less certain to think about: an idle-checker is an amazing way for scum to find passive roles that might blow up in their face. And other things.
 
Honestly, I wouldn't be too sure about LW's idle checking normally as there's not much proof behind it. But the fact that he said I was active N1 when I said I was idle (I was active N1) proves to me that he's the real deal. As Fort said, though, there is an outside possibility of it being non-town. That doesn't seem very likely, though.

pancake seems more and more scummy the more I look at him, starting with his reluctance to engage in the mass claim, the fact that he hasn't even claimed now if I'm not missing something, and the fact that he contradicted LW all come together to make him my biggest scumread atm. That said,

Unvote Vote pancake
 
Haruno said:
Who else would be able to doctor pancake's role pm? Again no one is suspecting anything of a fucking day action.
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I don't see how you can say there are no signs of suspicious activity when there is reason to be suspicious though xd.
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I never said that you had no reason to be suspicious. In fact, I say the explicit obvious in brief terms in my previous response to you ("I completely understand why the wolf assumption is there") and was merely making a point of saying that the respective theories surrounding Walrein and pancake you and a handful of others are pushing are ludicrous at this stage because there are way too many assumptions/maybes in the theories about a) a doctor modification or b) a revival recruiter for either of them to hold up outside of a last resort option--ESPECIALLY considering that if I were a recruiting reviver then there is no way in fuck that I'd also have a lynch redirect+night skip on top of it considering that even without the recruit it's already pretty broken. Strategically doctoring requires me to be sided with others, which I understand your suspicion about (granted it's still yet another assumption at best considering that there is no evidence to suggest that I am teaming up with anyone at all), but if I were then there's no way in hell that I'd let them doctor the person I was going to lynch to appear neutral explicitly because it a) reveals the presence of neutrals and b) makes me look more like one than my role already does, which would put a theoretical wolf faction on the back foot in the respect that it puts me on trial before the hangman and makes people entertain the faction's existence while leaving others taking the entertainers seriously (which simply wasn't the case prior).
Also everyone take note of how martin has never ever explained/defended and mostly avoided my mentions of how he stealthed his last 2 actions which were super unnecessary because publicly saying I HAVE A NIGHT SKIP + LYNCH REDIRECT means jack shit when no one can stop your day abilities anyways. So the fact that you've avoided discussing it + stealthed it is more of a sign to be suspicious.
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Actually yes: it is important for me to hide and stealth-use such a blatantly overpowered day action set if I don't know when I'm going to use it. I did end up using it on the same day as my revival role, but at the time that I chose to hide the rest of my role it was explicitly because of the fact that I had no idea if I was going to use it on that day or later on in the game. Like, seriously I don't actually know what you want from me here if you're just going to blatantly ignore the fact that revealing how I'm a SUPER POWERFUL VILLAGE MEMBER where scum can see it puts a massive target on my forehead at night. It was in my best interests to stealth it explicitly because scum want to remove anyone with a high level of power. And no: I have not "avoided mentions of how I stealthed my last two actions" because I have mentioned different aspects of justification for it even before this post, whether it be in passing or otherwise, in at least two or three posts before this.
Vanillish Wafer said:
Honestly, I wouldn't be too sure about LW's idle checking normally as there's not much proof behind it. But the fact that he said I was active N1 when I said I was idle (I was active N1) proves to me that he's the real deal. As Fort said, though, there is an outside possibility of it being non-town. That doesn't seem very likely, though.

pancake seems more and more scummy the more I look at him, starting with his reluctance to engage in the mass claim, the fact that he hasn't even claimed now if I'm not missing something, and the fact that he contradicted LW all come together to make him my biggest scumread atm. That said,

Unvote Vote pancake
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pancake got fried by yours truly
 
Vanillish Wafer said:
Honestly, I wouldn't be too sure about LW's idle checking normally as there's not much proof behind it. But the fact that he said I was active N1 when I said I was idle (I was active N1) proves to me that he's the real deal. As Fort said, though, there is an outside possibility of it being non-town. That doesn't seem very likely, though.

pancake seems more and more scummy the more I look at him, starting with his reluctance to engage in the mass claim, the fact that he hasn't even claimed now if I'm not missing something, and the fact that he contradicted LW all come together to make him my biggest scumread atm. That said,

Unvote Vote pancake
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What did you claim again?
 
I remember whydon claiming cop too, that makes three and that's a bit too much if you ask me. They will have to prove themselves tomorrow and if they can't they'll be getting my vote.
Vanillish redeems himself after a shaky claim but is still one of the multiple claims we need to figure out
 
Martin said:
I never said that you had no reason to be suspicious. In fact, I say the explicit obvious in brief terms in my previous response to you ("I completely understand why the wolf assumption is there") and was merely making a point of saying that the respective theories surrounding Walrein and pancake you and a handful of others are pushing are ludicrous at this stage because there are way too many assumptions/maybes in the theories about a) a doctor modification or b) a revival recruiter for either of them to hold up outside of a last resort option--ESPECIALLY considering that if I were a recruiting reviver then there is no way in fuck that I'd also have a lynch redirect+night skip on top of it considering that even without the recruit it's already pretty broken. Strategically doctoring requires me to be sided with others, which I understand your suspicion about (granted it's still yet another assumption at best considering that there is no evidence to suggest that I am teaming up with anyone at all), but if I were then there's no way in hell that I'd let them doctor the person I was going to lynch to appear neutral explicitly because it a) reveals the presence of neutrals and b) makes me look more like one than my role already does, which would put a theoretical wolf faction on the back foot in the respect that it puts me on trial before the hangman and makes people entertain the faction's existence while leaving others taking the entertainers seriously (which simply wasn't the case prior).

Actually yes: it is important for me to hide and stealth-use such a blatantly overpowered day action set if I don't know when I'm going to use it. I did end up using it on the same day as my revival role, but at the time that I chose to hide the rest of my role it was explicitly because of the fact that I had no idea if I was going to use it on that day or later on in the game. Like, seriously I don't actually know what you want from me here if you're just going to blatantly ignore the fact that revealing how I'm a SUPER POWERFUL VILLAGE MEMBER where scum can see it puts a massive target on my forehead at night. It was in my best interests to stealth it explicitly because scum want to remove anyone with a high level of power. And no: I have not "avoided mentions of how I stealthed my last two actions" because I have mentioned different aspects of justification for it even before this post, whether it be in passing or otherwise, in at least two or three posts before this.

pancake got fried by yours truly
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you did the doctoring of pancake's role pm yourself. No one else was involved. I have never once stated that you had someone else helping you. I disagree with you about the recruiting reviver + lynch redirect + night skip since THATS EXACTLY WHAT YOU HAVE NOW assuming you don't have any other abilities and seeing as how our most recent big had 4 fucking revive recruiters...................................................... sooooo it's not outside the realm of possibility since hitmonleet took some inspiration from pathfinder. The fact that you're trying to hide y saying "no one else would doctor pancake for me" instead of going with the obvious you're doctoring it yourself is even more suspicious. You are exactly right about revive revealing the existence of neutrals though! Since it ousted you later on with the other abilities you have.

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I cannot see scum trying to kill you at night especially since the most likely role you should've been was a one shot reviver since they would gain nothing from killing a vanillger. You're full of shit. Whydon is full of shit. I can see you being the janitor with a one time use ability to doctor role pm's since that seems in line with janitor. Then you add on reviver + night skip and then you're blatantly neutral. Play better please.
 
Also Martin why did u lynch redirect onto pancake as opposed to knights?

Why skip the night cycle? You'll need to give a very clear answer as opposed to you avoiding shit again.

Shoutout's to LW still ignoring any mention of martin xdxdxdxdxd.

also Hitmonleet no more fucking 96 hour days please. go back to a standard 48. Not like you haven't fucked around with the deadline enough this game so just make it shorter. Also when is the actual deadline for this day.
 
MoodyCloud said:
Why Martin used the night skip is the first point Haruno makes about it that I actually agree with
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too late to start buddying now friend. I mentioned this immediately at the start of day 4 and it's mostly been getting ignored.

Also out of curiosity. Could someone do a full votecount of day 3? I really want to see what was there that was so crucial that would make martin want to use a vote redirect.
 
Walrein are you alive?

Went back and did the grunt work


texas cloverleaf: JOAT - cop failed on lightwolf n1, roleblocked n2
smashlloyd20: hooker/tracker - claims to have targeted haruno n1, targeted moody n2
moodycloud: watcher - saw blank slate visiting asek n1, claims action failed n2
acidphoenix: pick 5 (blaz/smash/knights/martin/asek) get one shots, invincible until all die - claims knowledge of smash as tracker, claims confirmation of blazade role NOTE: Moody suggests neutral sounding
blazade: picks up shots of opposing roles of night targets (safeguard)
fort colorcastle: omniguard targeting lightwolf
martin: reviver (revived walrein) and day end lynch redirect
cancerous: mason+role cop
walrein: TOWN one-shot veteran bodyguard
shubaka: plane builder
knights: roleblock persuader (targeted texas n2 successfully)
asek: mailman+announcer
former hope: conditional strongman guilty conscience vigilante (condition=BPV popping), limited use kill hook
blank slate: role cop+backup cop (claims inspect on lightwolf+asek n1 and and asek+lightwolf (not visited due to successful check on asek) n2) NOTE: major contradiction
whydon: faction cop (walrein+martin)
aubisio: mason+ability doubler (pancake-->haruno)
ButteredToast: night immune on specific nights
vanillish: veteran with droppable gun, guilty conscience at 2 town kills
pancake: neutral who cares
haruno: scum killing veteran

lightwolf: activity checker
n1 idlers: former hope, martin, haruno, pancake
n2 idlers: pancake, vanillish, martin, haruno

knights did not claim n1 action, did not show as idle -> scum killer since no persuade
butteredtoast claimed only night immune, did not show as idle

former hope was first to accuse martin of being neutral, did so BEFORE dayend role: noted


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knights is always the lynch today

smashlloyd and haruno leads to a possible role conflict. either smashlloyd lied about his role targeting Haruno OR he's conf!town for targeting the veteran OR haruno lied about his role. Option 2 is by far the most likely, most likely tying Haruno and smash as town together

ButteredToast is lying about the full extent of his role

acidphoenix has a very neutral sounding role with claimed immunity while his 5 targets are alive
 
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