NOC Why is there a gun in my popcorn? GAME OVER SCUM WIN

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Former Hope said:
If I was a scum I'm pretty sure I'd go through more effort to frame you, much like I went through lots of BS reasoning to frame jalmont/pblade last noc. Otherwise, I prefer to stick to the realm of quantitative reasoning as possible, you posted a pretty in depth theory about who the scum might be, in a way that was completely absurd and seemed thoroughly thought out ahead of time. Additionally, if the scum were hoping to have haruno shot early, which is supported by shubaka's posts, then that adds another explicit mark against you for pushing haruno/me super early game.

Then there are others "Scum has to be former or haruno" and points where you have explicitly been trying to get haruno and I shot. Knowing now that both of us are town, I can only conclude that was your game plan from the get go.

Josh Your hovering between null and scum, right now leaning more scum based on some recent things that I can't recall off the top of my head
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First off, Jalmont wasn't in OCNOC.

Second, you claim to not be going through enough effort to be framing me as Mafia, but you've literally spent about 1/3rd of your posts decrying me. I'm honestly irritated that you keep stating contradictions and falsehoods, and then brushing them off.

Finally, yes, I did suspect you two a bit early, but after multiple people pointed out the falsehoods in my statement, I realized it was a stupid thing, and eased off. Of course, then you started acting really scummy, so I started to scumread you and lobby for you to be shot, so that happened, but you keep implying that I was some sort of obsessed person making lines on a corkboard, and did absolutely nothing but accuse you two. I have been suspicious of you throughout the game, but I've done a lot more than that.
 
I'm not even sure why I'm debating this with a scum. Just hand me the gun and I'll shoot at leet, josh, twin, wc and if somehow they all are scum, just keep shooting until I'm out. I totally agree that I wish this game was sorta faster.

winter-delta You mean when I posted my personal views about why texas was originally given the gun?
 
Yeti ISO
Start
#5 - hi
#70 - :failfish: on scum not gunning sam
#102 - postgame interview
#120 - Asking why i'm townread
#121 - :O
#151 - Shooting because you dislike someone = not okay
#156 - reaction to Asek's "vote"
#162 - don't use mu/ms terms
#164 - US/Blazade biggest threats, asks who everyone's are
#182 - Nothing "important" happens d1. Answer #164.
#185 - Questions Empoof a bit, saying they put reads out there which is good, but they're based on nothing
#203 - There are no "lock clears", giving gun to competent town is suboptimal, gives a list of people likely to gun Texas first. List: Leet, Moody, winter, Fort, DBW, Former
#223 - Describes playstyle, doesn't care what others say are "optimal", if she doesn't agree she'll just play her way
#230 - Empoof's reads aren't backed up by anything
#247 - expected/10 participation on my part
#263 - Emphasizes the importance of finding scumteams, disagrees Empoof is townie JUST for being fearless
#272 - US hasn're really postred enough for a solid read on him, US is inconclusive
#274 - Explains to Empoof in detail why he looks shady, basically because he's being vague and not explaining well enough
#277 - wasn't so hard was it?
#343 - Reiterates the second point in #203, US is probably not scum because she didn't get the gun, and that's his optimal play
#349 - Responds to DBW, questioning why they reiterate the hypothetical
#351 - Gives all the things affecting her town lean on US Town!US: Not having gun, Not being pushed by him to get gun, Usual spat. Scum!US: hasn't been as active as usual (knows he's busy), would like him to engage more, is a threat.
#361 - Empoof isn't reliable reads-wise, unsure if maf or bad town
#362 - Calls out iDLE
#369 - How is "lean town" = "can't be scum?"
#372 - lol haruno
#374 - Backs up argument for US read as valid
#392 - in class
#398 - ironic
#406 - ^shub shitpost lol
shubaka is shot
#423 - good play
Haruno gets gun
#425 - spicy play
#516 - LEAN TOWN = LEAN TOWN! Why does AG say "probably town"? Shotlist of DLE, AG, Josh, other "OMG NOW TOWN LOCK?!" person
#517 - also jalmont idles too much
#519 - ^josh omgus lol
#520 - Former and twin idling cucks
#521 - Also Asek, leet, Moody
#523 - Blazade too. And Empoof probably isn't scum, but still bad
#530 - ^rofl
#531 - Merry Christmas, you're welcome. Now that i've readjusted and have more interest again, i'm trying to improve ^w^
#536 - ISOs Empoof's reads throughout the game, concluding how baseless/unexplained most of them are. winter is scummy
#537 - Lol DBW what is this. DBW scummy, if scum DLE likely is too, and other idling cucks
#539 - Lock town is still stupid, hardly remembers what Former says. Upon reread, reads seem focused highly on shub flip
#543 - Priority shots are DLE, winter, DBW, Moody. Next wave twin, jalmont, fort. Not bad shots: Former, leet, Blazade, Asek
#544 - Agreement with Moody, wishes he'd post more
#546 - AG Suspicious, Josh wouldn't be too great, US, Empoof, Me are subpar
#557 - lol twin, rich
#559 - complaints about the amount of idlers
#563 - Explains scumreads minus activity better. Scum reads i'd assume are in order scum-least scum: winter/DBW, AG, twin, Jalmont
#591 - winter/dbw shots better than twin/asek shots
#633 - Odd how hardly anyone's campaigning themselves as the last townie, I could've easily been coached by scumpartners to make my posts and then be townread so extensively
#642 - Points out just how weird #633 is, can't get how Empoof doesn't understand
#646 - Responds to being called out for not contributing, guys who keep saying this you desperately need to read this ISO, the fact it's the longest one i've ever made is telling on the levels if contribution
#648 - Calls out Leet for all the "i don't know"s in his post
#653 - Explains #633 and #642 again
Empoof gets gun
#676 - We in twilight?
#678 - Do you wanna waste your shot?
#697 - Small kinda defense, says will tag people with questions, discussion on Haruno
#699 - lol josh hypocracy
#704 - Explains the exact problem she's had with Empoof all game, and why it was bad, and gives Haruno's posting as an example
#710 - Questions for all
#714 - lol US wanting the townflip to look better
CONCLUSION
Okay, Yeti looks a LOT better in depth like this, and quite a few of you look a lot worse from her pov i'd imagine, given what i see here. Although on gripe Yeti , you DID use the words "Probably not mafia" the first time you started the townlean on US, so that's likely where AG got it from, who knows i may ISO him next to get a better read on them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ TOWN

Empoof after this, i believe shooting Yeti at this point would be a mistake, though don't let me stop you. Read over the ISO yourself and come to your own conclusion. If you agree she looks better, feel free to change your target. If not, well.. i'd feel we'd have a solid gunbarer next round, albeit one used too early
 
Dude, what. You proceed to ignore the majority of my post, and only answer the last part, by itself?

To quote Yeti: "Even if you don't answer you'll still get read a cetain way."

Actually now that I think about it Yeti is looking remarkably better in my books.
 
Now after rereading things, I'm going to quickly order my current reads. Explanations and stuff will come later, I'm tired rn, so this is just really quick.

Town to Scum:
Empoof
Me
Josh
Flyhn
FCC
Yeti
AG
WD
Asek
----------------- (Line between leaning Town and Scum)
Blazade
US
DLE
DBW
Twin
Jalmont
FH

Tag me if you have specific questions about this or my thoughts.

Furthermore, I think we should shoot Former Hope.
:-)
 
When your claiming me to be scum because I want town to win, there's not a ton to say.

Really though, in this game town have all of the killing power. Meaning the optimal play from scum is to persuade the town shooter to shoot another townie while town's optimal play is to defend themselves and avoid having the gunner killed.
 
Yeti said:
anyway lets get to it

Thetwinmasters are you trying to get the gun by scummily idling so you can also instantly misfire or can you just not be bothered to try and fake it as town this game? like could you be any less helpful and vocal? if its the former thanks for being absolutely useless to this village you nitwit, maybe try explaining your reads once in a while
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First scum read is Sam for the really bad first reads post where he pretty much said nothing of value and was a lot of avoiding being concrete on a read imo then refusing to read you for his first two reads post but the post above makes me think he could be trying to bus a scum you. 2nd Scum read is you because the responses to my questions about sam felt really wishy washy to me and it seems like you were trying to avoid talking about sam which is pretty scummy imo. 3rd scum read is Winter-Delta for doing absolutely nothing and the recent flip flop on yeti for no reason that I can see. 4th is FH who has gotten in a bunch of pointless spats which don't help town at all and his reads have all been based of really shitty reasoning imo.
The 2 people who are also pretty scummy for me are DBW+DLE due to DBW's hard defense of DLE idling but I have a hard time seeing them as scum with yeti because of her hard stance of thinking dbw+dle are good shot targets so if yeti flips town I'd look here first.
 
something of note: winter was scum in deathnote and town in ocnoc. idled both. this is the first time he's posted significant content afaik. this'll be interesting for metaing him at the very least
 
Former Hope said:
When your claiming me to be scum because I want town to win, there's not a ton to say.

Really though, in this game town have all of the killing power. Meaning the optimal play from scum is to persuade the town shooter to shoot another townie while town's optimal play is to defend themselves and avoid having the gunner killed.
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so... what exactly are you trying to say?
 
Thetwinmasters said:
First scum read is Sam for the really bad first reads post where he pretty much said nothing of value and was a lot of avoiding being concrete on a read imo then refusing to read you for his first two reads post but the post above makes me think he could be trying to bus a scum you. 2nd Scum read is you because the responses to my questions about sam felt really wishy washy to me and it seems like you were trying to avoid talking about sam which is pretty scummy imo. 3rd scum read is Winter-Delta for doing absolutely nothing and the recent flip flop on yeti for no reason that I can see. 4th is FH who has gotten in a bunch of pointless spats which don't help town at all and his reads have all been based of really shitty reasoning imo.
The 2 people who are also pretty scummy for me are DBW+DLE due to DBW's hard defense of DLE idling but I have a hard time seeing them as scum with yeti because of her hard stance of thinking dbw+dle are good shot targets so if yeti flips town I'd look here first.
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so to clarify, you think yeti should be shot before one of dle and dbw?
 
Yeti said:
anyway lets get to it

Thetwinmasters are you trying to get the gun by scummily idling so you can also instantly misfire or can you just not be bothered to try and fake it as town this game? like could you be any less helpful and vocal? if its the former thanks for being absolutely useless to this village you nitwit, maybe try explaining your reads once in a while

Jalmont hey buddy what's up, post a reads list or you'll move up to "priority shots" cause i really don't think your town game is this low-quality, i've seen you do a lot better. you're not a bad player so i'd like to hear your thoughts if you're town which have been pretty sparing. and you're clearly here, reading the thread, so you must have opinions about it. i want to know them.

Aura Guardian so you have a bunch of texas gunbearer posts but i feel like you've dropped off a bit in haruno's gunbearer phase and now you have 1 post that isn't ultimately relevant in empoof phase. you posted http://www.smogon.com/forums/thread...gunbearer-empoof.3599297/page-20#post-7291906 2 days ago. how have your reads changed in light of haruno's shot and empoof being cleaned and, y'know, everything else that's gone on in the thread since then. and why. please explain your reads progression from wednesday to now.

Blazade hey buddy what's up been a long time, have anything to contribute besides "yeah my activity is shootable?" do your best to explain why you think haruno would've found a connection between mafia!twin and mafia!flyhn, then why he would've felt mafia!poof was convincing enough to shoot.

UncleSam hey buddy speaking of people dropping off the radar you have anything to add? my lean town is shifting in the complete absence of sam posts to lean scum. just doesnt feel like his town game at all to be so useless.

Asek why do you think haruno felt twin, flyhn, and empoof were mafia (together) and what do you think of this assessment? his other shoot options included you, blazade and former hope. please include a read on blazade and former hope.

Former Hope who are your current suspects for scum and why do you think they could be a scumteam together?

MoodyCloud hey you're still in this game right? answer these questions: what do you consider the biggest scumtells in a noc to be? who is exhibiting them this game? why have you not been more vocal about these people so far?

Hitmonleet what do you prioritize when scumhunting and what do you find most often is a misleading "scumtell" done by town? what players in this game have exhibited either and what are your reads on them?

winter-delta if you had to shoot 1 each of twin/jalmont/blazade, ag/asek/josh, moody/dbw/fort, sam/fh/leet, which from each group would you pick, why, and who would you be angry i didnt give you the option to shoot in addition to that 1 person? which group contains 3 people you'd be very reluctant to shoot any of them?

Fort Colorcastle can you make more big posts or does your scumteam need more time to write them for you first? if you had to shoot 4 users, what 4 would they be, who would be the 5th, who never makes that list at this point in time, and why? what do you think is the best scumtell in a noc that indicates to you someone is mafia?

DeathByWobbuffet you're also still in the game right? why do you find my posts contentless? do you struggle with the definition of 'content' or do you just not like when town are too vocal? what is your position on the game? if you had to shoot 1 each of twin/jalmont/blazade, ag/asek/josh, moody/w-d/fort, sam/fh/leet, which from each group would you pick, why, and who would you be angry i didnt give you the option to shoot in addition to that 1 person? which group contains 3 people you'd be very reluctant to shoot any of them?

Flyhn you iso me thats a good look for you. if you dont do it and make up some bs activity excuse youre gonna move up a whole bunch in the shooting order though.

who else is in the game

Josh what do you think the scumtells with the highest success rate of being scum are and who is showing them? lowest success rate of being scum, who shows them?

Da Letter El who do you think the 4 best shots to make right now would be, why, and what would make someone else move into one of those slots?
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1. yes I need time for my scumteam to write my posts for me, thank you very much for the compliment.
2. In alphabetical order: Aura Guardian, DBW, Former Hope, UncleSam, Winter-Delta.
3. 5h of that list is probably Winter-Delta
4. best scumtell is when I tell you that I need my scumteam to write my posts for me.
5. we're honestly better off townhunting than scumhunting in this game, because again: only 1 non-gunholder townie needs to survive

I don't have time to do shit this weekend, but I'll try to check in (and post) at least 1-2 times a day.
 
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