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Thetwinmasters said:
K so why I think pancake is scum is purely off of josh's action on page 36

This is the 1st post about wd after she posted this

That post reads to me as josh trying to cover scum wd rly shitty post in the thread instead of trying to gain more info from her which makes josh scum more likely imo. And these actions isn't like how he pressured other users.
Next is this sequence

This is WD's reads post specifically the josh read which is really fucking weird compared to the other reads imo.
Then josh's next post read kinda like he is mad at something which came right after the wd's read post

Then jalmont suddenly shoots wd and then josh suddenly subs out without giving which makes me think josh rage subbed because his scum teammate got shot from posting really bad content that also points him in a non positive light.
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UncleSam said:
I thought Fort was looking bad and imo King_ doesn't look much better though at least he is playing for real and picking some fights with people

Twin is looking better to me a towntell of his is how annoyed you get at him when he posts and it's off the scale this game

Blazade I would shoot and probably Walrein too tbh DLE I thought was really scummy and I've not liked any of Walrein's contributions since he subbed in.

I'd shoot King_/Walrein/Blazade basically, probably in that order though I'd want Walrein to talk more before shooting him for real.

Hitmonleet I don't really like his recent contributions as much, and AG has been going downhill for a while. Yeti looks a bit better to me now and Asek I'm sort of gutreading town now tbqh

I think the shot should be between King_/Walrein/Blazade and I think that anyone else is probably a poor shot today.
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I have a gut feeling that this post is sam trying to buddy some people in order to slip under the radar and not get shot.
 
On mobile so drafts didn't save when getting quotes in, + asek wanted it quick. There is nothing much even going on in this thread atm, spam would probably help bring players back into this game. It seems a lot of players have checked out since only a few players have been talking
 
I dont really disagree with anything you quoted king except the sam scumread

Note this doesnt mean i nessecarily agree with it - ill need to read into everything more later on ( probably in 2 or 3 days)
 
nothing I feel the need to comment on besides the most recent posts from king_ and former. I like king's responses to more recent questions from others so that made him from like guaranteed scum to like 90% lol. Meanwhile, I have literally no doubt that former is scum, the previous post he literally just changed his opinion to whatever was better for him at the moment.
 
I changed my opinion on a post based on that post having reads on people who have since flipped. Making the post much more scummy based on those flips. That's not strange, that's logic.


But this is what I mean what I find suspicious about Pancakes, "having no doubt that I'm scum" based on a reason that's clearly there just to further a scum read is very reminiscent of leet just trying to make up logic to put a scum read on people like haruno and I. It feels very much like this is something the scum are trying to organize rather than a towny reaction.
 
when I have free time yes (I don't), that said I was planning on going back through the thread and looking at a lot of details. But forgoing that for time, here's some quick observations.

Blazade - His absence is really notable, not usually an idler so a lack of posts reads as trying to fade into background more than idling. (oh hey, I found a quote by him)
Blazade said:
Nah i think first was Haruno but it's an easy enough realization that we were all checking the math.

Anyway the most important thinngs we can glean are that some scum are probably idling (weak I know) and that winter delta's statement says a lot about Yeti. What I would do if I wasn't at work is look for where people tried to draw a pre flip implication on Sam and Yeti and draw the opposite conclusion.
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Interesting post, especially for the shallow observation that some scum are idling and the other lack of details.

I could also see AG and Fort flipping scum, but that's almost entirely gut feeling and only because I'm looking for scum reads so I don't have any concrete reasons like I do for blazade.
 
Aura Guardian ISO
Game Start
#6 - confirm
#29 - gamerule vote clarification
#36 - gamerule vote
#40 - Wants a Haruno shot, reasoning if town will not be too helpful
#52 - Concedes to Josh he knows Haruno better, but still wants to have that shot
#56 - won't post until later this evening
#147 - Doesn't like the speculation on why scum is gave Texas gun, it's just wifom
#157 - FoS Blazade for #62 and #63, "trying to direct town into defeatism", and #112 for dramatically flipping his opinion
#178 - Longer post giving reads to people that "stuck out". Fort Slight Scum, Blazade Scum, Josh Town, Empoof Leaning Slight Scum
#181 - Answer to Josh's question
#183 - Haruno is biggest threat
#229 - Asks twin for a reason his policy shot idea isn't good, states Empoof's reads don't feel like air to him
#316 - Against Haruno's idea of rng, but admits yes, mathematically we're more likely to win that way
#321 - Explains how Haruno's argument kills itself
shubaka17 is shot
Haruno gets gun
#438 - Points out Yeti's change in her Sam read If Yeti is scum, so is Sam
#466 - Empoof called out iDLE first, agrees he's done nothing
#472 - States he's changed a read, townreads Blazade, will explain in post
#473 - clarification
#477 - Reads post Town: Me, Josh. Towny: Asek, Blazade, leet. Null: DBW, Empoof, Moody. Scummy: Former, Fort, twin, Sam. Scum DLE, Jalmont, winter. Shoot already: Yeti
#480 - Explains winter read a bit better
#494 - I am most confident townread
#605 - Argues against locktown strategy because we can never be too sure.. Yeti still scummy but not as bad due to how many scumreads on her
#608 - Response to his reasoning on Empoof being seen as odd
#619 - Doesn't think Former's phrasing is odd due to how winter's posting
#644 - Needs more info before backing anyone as lock other than himself
Empoof gets gun
#705 - philosophy
#717 - Explains drop off in activity, Sam and Yeti are both scum, leet's only townlean now, Former's weird
#748 - check on winter's past games
#773 - lol april fools, gamerule vote
DeathByWobbuffet gets gun
#827 - ISOs Moody, comes to the conclusion "Don't shoot him"
Jalmont gets gun
#838 - Votes Yeti
#877 - Switches vote to winter, wants Yeti/Sam next still
#892 - Asks winter for clarification on a read
winter-delta is shot
#922 - ISO's winter, comes to the conclusion of Scumteam is Sam, Yeti, Fort/Moody/Former, twin/Asek/leet/dle, Josh
#923 - lol nope not doing that no worries i did now
#926 - Votes Sam
#927 - Clarifies, Sam before Yeti because of winter's interactions
#930 - Clarifies why he feels winter's Former reads were flip-floppy
#935 - should do better
#936 - Corrected Scumteam: Sam, Yeti, Fort/Moody, twin/Asek/dle, Josh
#942 - host request
#958 - rule vote
#984 - States no, he hasn't been defending Sam, yes he does believe there's a connection, but isn't too sure about it
#1108 - Twin lol seems legit
#1115 - Still forming an opinion on king
#1119 - Did a mental ISO, switches vote to King
#1153 - don't spam like that

CONCLUSION: I like his contribution quite honestly. He has made a couple of points i don't agree with, but it really looks like his thoughts come from a town mindset, and i don't really see him too connected to winter either. Leaning Town

Again i must stress don't just sheep my conclusion, read over the ISO then decide based on that whether or not you agree. Again, i want independent thought
 
Just did a quick mental ISO of pancake. I'm not as sold on him as I am on King_/Yeti/UncleSam, but given his cursory reads lists, I can see a point. It's a bit of a gamble, but if he flips mafia, then we have his cursory reads post without much info which would let us point to the people he named as scum and put them as probably town (only PROBABLY) and the people he put in town as probably mafia.
 
Jalmont said:
guess im shooting pancake i feel bad and im worried that twin is playing me super hard but

i don't really like any of my other options as much as i like pancake.
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lol what the fuck ok

you're making a really bad decision, King_ is pretty clearly scum as well as former hope, neither of them have reads with any content while mine clearly do, and I don't understand your reasoning because you haven't posted it... unless i missed it from earlier in the game.

when I get gun I shoot former hope 100% unless if someone convinces me that king_ is more scummy.
 
Thetwinmasters said:
WHy Pancake over King_
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I don't think fort's posting was very mafia-like. I didn't see any concerted effort from him to try and fit in by posting a reads list, something that people have been pushing all game long. In that sense, I think if he's scum he probably acts more like winter-delta than anything. Everything he posted I read as someone who doesn't really know how to contribute but is trying their best to do so - it just happens that people read it as not contributing. (this is how I feel about Moody as well).

pancake because of what you brought up on Josh mainly. It's hard to read king and pancake one way or the other. I don't have enough to work with imo.

@theabove ok. I'm not convinced you have reads with content?? But I suppose I'll have to look back again. I certainly can't recall them, I thought they were pretty similar to King_'s but idk
 
half this game has jack for content

the dle/walrein slot still has nothing of value

king got into a fight with twin p much immediately which i think is an interesting interaction. i imagine twin trying to get a scumslip from a new sub, i dont think he was reading the fort slot very strongly before the subbing, but im not sure this says a ton about twin's alignment as he picked king to push on, not walrein or pancake who i imagine he sees as more competent. could easily be scum trying to get town screwed over.

i think moody/ag/sam are better shots than pancake rn, i guess i just dont see a ton of scummy behavior from the josh/pancake slot? theres no reason this slot cant be on any likely scumteam as the last member i just feel like those other 3 are way more likely to flip mafia.

speaking of moody is this dude still playing or did he also get subbed?? real talk 0 content 0 posts from this slot. why would he need to if jalmont is about to misfire off his mafia team?
 
Jalmont said:
@theabove ok. I'm not convinced you have reads with content?? But I suppose I'll have to look back again. I certainly can't recall them, I thought they were pretty similar to King_'s but idk
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http://www.smogon.com/forums/thread...er-still-jalmont.3599297/page-44#post-7303963
http://www.smogon.com/forums/thread...er-still-jalmont.3599297/page-44#post-7303446

especially the former (no pun intended) post has a lot of content, including almost my entire town / scum core. former hope meanwhile, simply has not posted reads, especially scumreads. see: twin asking him for scumreads earlier on this page. He only gives reads when asked and they are all super vague, like

"Interesting post, especially for the shallow observation that some scum are idling and the other lack of details."

it does not actually lean one way or another on blazade, and the lack of content in general is not something I expect from former.

king_ and moody are fine shots too, specifically king_ because he's like 90% scum too lol. I've gone over these in previous posts.
 
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