NOC Matrix 12 NOC - Game Over, Mafia Wins

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omg lol

i dont understand how im backpedaling neither what i'm being "called out on"

at the start of the day i pressured walrein because i legit thought i was going somewhere w/ my read on him and it dissipated. i was refreshing and not much was happening so i looked through the pl (and clicked on their profiles -> recent activity) to see who had already posted and Jalmont's jumped out at me because it was a lynch post with little to no reasoning (at least that's what i thought at this point), similar sort of thing with Blazade. so i decided to start being pretty loud with an SR on both of them to see what it would turn up

on day one im usually really erratic and unorthodox because for me personally it works best to help me get my early reads out
 
hot takes. anyone i didn't mention hasn't left much of an impression on me

-hawkie still town
-jalmont seems more invested than usual, think this breaks town for now
-asek is someone i have trouble tonereading but his contribution level leans townie
-hard null former hope, i always tend towards scumreading him so i'll need to force myself to re-evaluate
-texas's tone seems odd, we'll see where he goes from here
-what is josh doing

vote Josh

Haruno i always try to stay fairly civil in mafia games (sarcastic humor notwithstanding). i made the post i made because i'm tired of you throwing around personal attacks in every single game you play

going to bed. expect V/LA until after monday with the exception of the occasional late-night burst
 
yeah the only reason im not lynching former is because the the last time i played w/ him turned out pretty much the same way this is going. He reads me for doing some questionable stuff D1 then I SR him because i think it's scum trying an easy push. Not going to rock this boat yet
 
I don't like FH's posts but I've been wrong about him before (latest NOC actually) so idk if he's just being suspicious as town again
Texas' confidence in his reads looks weird but I agree with his opinion on Hawkie so he gets a pass (what's the point in him asking Haruno to promise he'll help town though lol)
What is Josh doing indeed

I'll go with a vote Former hope
 
OK I'm going to be level with you guys

Former hope is incredibly scummy

the post I called gas (reads post) had nothing of content in it. It was literally stating what players had done, and I think he attached null to one of them and nothing to the other. This is town posturing done extremely poorly. His response has been shit to everyones conversation with him. His play so far is scum.

The problem lies in however that former hope looks incredibly scummy literally every single game. This makes him prime mislynch material and I think the wagon forming on him could be problematic. I do see one person itt rn that if former hope flips town i immediatly tunnel, so its not like its a lynch of 0 value . And I do think I should vote former hope if his antics continue. But for now I'm going to push other angles

Josh said:
can we lynch Suzuki yet
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holy crap town read


I havent forgotten where my vote is btw
 
When you wake up to a new game and we're already out of RVS.

Some thoughts right out of the gate:

  • Josh isn't being nearly as verbose and direct as in Deathnote, which is a bit troubling.
  • Hawkie is kind of confusing to me, tbh. I've never played in a game with him/her/them before, I don't really know their meta all that much. He seems very direct and quick to make decisions, which feels somewhat towny to me (to be fair, I tend to be that way sometimes, so it might just be me seeing people play like I play and liking that).
  • Tbh, I agree with Walrein and Moody in that Texas' reasoning is pretty wierd, but I understand where he's coming from (I was recently a noobtown as well), but to me, it feels almost like he's trying to look like he's protecting Hawkie, and buddying him for fun and profit. I don't know Texas' scum meta though, so I'm not sure if it would work.
  • Aubisio still hasn't posted.
Since we lack a majority rule for today, I think I'm going to Vote Josh atm, as he's showing the most diversion from his normal meta.
 
I'm not awake enough to read through this thread

but I am gonna hard townread the people who pointlessly claimed vanilla probably

haven't really read anything else in depth or at all, was mostly checking on my phone periodically at Yeti/Sam's and crying about how this game had 400 posts
 
Yo Hawkie after I made my second post I literally went to sleep so you can chill out lol. That said I loved you in that one NOC you were in here and it's good to see you back.

This is town Walrein. Maybe like 70% confidence since he seems to be motivated in the abstract and I haven't seen a scumgame from him in a while.

Willing to bet this is town Hawkie too, I like the balls so far.

Asek's post volume early breaks better for him on town games so like maybe 55% there.

Nothing stands out as suspicious as of yet.
 
Hitmonleet said:
When you wake up to a new game and we're already at 5 pages

Some thoughts right out of the gate:

  • Josh isn't being nearly as verbose and direct as in Deathnote, which is a bit troubling.
I didn't follow Deathnote, but in other NOC he pretty much behaves like this on day1. He seems a little... content-low, however. (hipocrisy amirite)
  • Hawkie is kind of confusing to me, tbh. I've never played in a game with him/her/them before, I don't really know their meta all that much. He seems very direct and quick to make decisions, which feels somewhat towny to me (to be fair, I tend to be that way sometimes, so it might just be me seeing people play like I play and liking that).
  • Tbh, I agree with Walrein and Moody in that Texas' reasoning is pretty weird, agreed. i expected an essay about every by now but I understand where he's coming from (I was recently a noobtown as well), are you saying that you think Texas is noobtown? Because i fully disagree. but to me, it feels almost like he's trying to look like he's protecting Hawkie, and buddying him for fun and profit. I don't know Texas' scum meta though, so I'm not sure if it would work.
  • Aubisio still hasn't posted. this is my second time
Since we lack a majority rule for today, I think I'm going to Vote Josh atm, as he's showing the most diversion from his normal meta. again, player meta is a bad judge.
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I'm going to start responding to this sort of post like this from now on. Do what you will.
 
Paperblade said:
I'm not awake enough to read through this thread
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I lied lmao

Aubisio is village. This is good because it means I won't have to determine if the guy doing nothing is lurkscum

I think Walrein is maybe village on his Aubisio read but it's been a long time since I played a NOC in general (ocnoc doesn't count since I didn't do anything xd), let alone with any Smogon players (and never for most people itg). Walrein is one of the few I did so maybe he just got a lot better and maybe it's just because I agree with the read (although I'd put the read at like 90% rn)

Asek (and in general) Claiming your townreads is usually worth it because showing thought process makes it easier for other people to read you (which is a net gain for town, if every villager had 100% read accuracy town would never lose), and it's usually not too hard for mafia to figure out who people think is town based on who is being pushed and prodded most.

Actually update Walrein to probably villager for the Hawkie read even though I don't really agree with it

Hawkie why do you think asek's invested and town but walrein's just neutral. Walrein seems just as if or more invested i m o

scum read on texas for bad content (see get it I'm doing what he did)

This post indicates to me that asek has gone over the ruleset in detail (much more likely from town than scum)
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why

and has noticed a quirk of the rules that is beneficial to town (one that's easy to miss - I missed it),
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why's this townie

and is advocating a towny strategy (throwing votes liberally=tangible interactions with people=discussion points and info to match behaviour with throughout the game).
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you should be doing this anyway unless there's some dumb rule about limited number of votes made

tbh my gut says FH is too smart to actually believe hawkie was serious, which leads me to think he is mafia trying to for a dumb push. The problem there is that if he is mafia trying to push a villager for an obvious joke knowing it's an obvious joke, then he would also presumably know that it will likely go nowhere. Thus I must assume FH can't into jokes, which makes this kind of not alignment indicative? I'm not rly but it's only been like 12 hours

guess I'mnot reading aubisio's posts anyway because the font is eye cancer, thank god I already decide they're town
 
Aubisio said:
I'm going to start responding to this sort of post like this from now on. Do what you will.
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please dont do it like this

break the quote into sections and add your input after it outside the quotations

if you cant do that just do one big analysis outside the quotations

the green text is annoying as fuck + its harder to follow your shit in that format
 
Asek said:
please dont do it like this

break the quote into sections and add your input after it outside the quotations

if you cant do that just do one big analysis outside the quotations

the green text is annoying as fuck + its harder to follow your shit in that format
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A: ok

B: no. I need it to look like I'm typing as little as possible.

C: What colour, then?
 
Asek said:
what about what ive posted though

post volume means nothing
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What you posted reads as inquisitive and engaged and the content isn't abnormal for D1.

Post volume does mean something to me when I see it as a distinguishing factor early. I'm not literally looking at the number of posts but noticing someone who isn't trying to be careful about what they say.
 
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