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NOC Matrix 12 NOC - Game Over, Mafia Wins
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Yeah alignment indicitave
I haven't read closely enough yet to have any reads with real substance, and I've found that tone is much more reliable with townreads than it is with scumreads. If anyone, maybe Haruno? But the real answer is "gimme 24 hours"
i was going to write a big paragraph about why i think the people who are town reading king have no reason to and it is as such scummy but i didnt so just take my word on it + ill expand in the morning if people are really interested in the perspective
i want to see some angles pushed tho. from my persepctive king and ullar are the best lynches today and the wagons im going to push when i wake tomorrow. I would like for others to push some angles whilst im asleep tho... these 2 have centralized and warped discussin quite effectively around themselves and it makes it harder to attain reads + interactions on other players. theres some other wagons i could be convinced to hop on but ill let myself sleep and rest on those thoughts....
If anyone thinks kings tantrums are towny please read the popcorn thread when twin scumread him when he subbed in and tell me it doesnt look similar to now BTW.
also Former Hope how am i bullying king for reads? he posts something and i ask him why he says it and he just doesnt answer or is flippant in response. this has been going on for pages now. its not like im aggressivly asking him for NEW perspectives im asking him why he believes what he is posting and he doesnt say anything. im not being unreasonable or 'bulling' at all.
i want to see some angles pushed tho. from my persepctive king and ullar are the best lynches today and the wagons im going to push when i wake tomorrow. I would like for others to push some angles whilst im asleep tho... these 2 have centralized and warped discussin quite effectively around themselves and it makes it harder to attain reads + interactions on other players. theres some other wagons i could be convinced to hop on but ill let myself sleep and rest on those thoughts....
If anyone thinks kings tantrums are towny please read the popcorn thread when twin scumread him when he subbed in and tell me it doesnt look similar to now BTW.
also Former Hope how am i bullying king for reads? he posts something and i ask him why he says it and he just doesnt answer or is flippant in response. this has been going on for pages now. its not like im aggressivly asking him for NEW perspectives im asking him why he believes what he is posting and he doesnt say anything. im not being unreasonable or 'bulling' at all.
I mean, if we're just gonna lynch people for being dickheads that's probably in town's best interest
idrc
I'll expound on my King read I guess, I was holding this to my chest to see if I could catch other people doing it but w/e
I wasn't interested in lynching King because of his reaction to Josh's "cop claim" (posts 174 and 175). I think that if we're in a setup without a cop (or just one that doesn't get a pregame inspect), this makes King likely village for buying into this so easily. This is why I said I thought it would sort itself out, since he already gave us info that could be very alignment indicative. idk
Full disclosure I haven't really read the past couple pages beyond stuff directed at or about me
idrc
I'll expound on my King read I guess, I was holding this to my chest to see if I could catch other people doing it but w/e
I wasn't interested in lynching King because of his reaction to Josh's "cop claim" (posts 174 and 175). I think that if we're in a setup without a cop (or just one that doesn't get a pregame inspect), this makes King likely village for buying into this so easily. This is why I said I thought it would sort itself out, since he already gave us info that could be very alignment indicative. idk
Full disclosure I haven't really read the past couple pages beyond stuff directed at or about me
can we keep stupid beef out of this forum please? mafia gets heated sometimes and that's okay, but i was unfortunately linked the last few pages of this thread and it was painful to read. Thetwinmasters if people continue to be dickholes and you wanna forcesub them, feel free.
carry on lads
carry on lads
alrighty so king/ullar was a shitslinger, but is now just glaring at eachother. we can deal with that later.
walrein came in and did v little, i don't like that, but i'm worried that's because someone else pointed that out.
asek feels detached to me, and i was thinking that was scummy, but then again i'm detached from this game, so maybe it isn't. josh feels the same way. similar play styles from the three of us, who knows.
haruno stopped posting, which is possibly the only way i don't increase my scum read on him.
is shade in game? no? that's a shame.town read
blazade's few responses and limited windows of interaction are bleh, but i like the content. maybe post more.
i'll post an iso on jalmont because that seems like the right thing to do, just lemme eat breakfast and whatnot first
walrein came in and did v little, i don't like that, but i'm worried that's because someone else pointed that out.
asek feels detached to me, and i was thinking that was scummy, but then again i'm detached from this game, so maybe it isn't. josh feels the same way. similar play styles from the three of us, who knows.
haruno stopped posting, which is possibly the only way i don't increase my scum read on him.
is shade in game? no? that's a shame.
blazade's few responses and limited windows of interaction are bleh, but i like the content. maybe post more.
i'll post an iso on jalmont because that seems like the right thing to do, just lemme eat breakfast and whatnot first
Yo I have a life shubaka I'm not gonna be here all the time. That's gonna get even worse next week when I'm away so idk what to tell you lol.
Vote Ullar
There's more teeth here than in any other lynch imo. I hate everyone townreading king, hate everyone scumreading king, and can't read king. I will get literally nothing out of that lynch. People have kind of ignored this option, though, and I think there's good reasoning behind it.
Also willing to lynch: Moody (for his main content being shitty white knight defense of king), Hitmonleet (for his lackluster but possibly busy content that I had to pry out of him), King (because regardless of the above there is no real defense for his behavior and content), aubisio (straight up policy), Haruno (suspicious drop off in content for him)
Vote Ullar
There's more teeth here than in any other lynch imo. I hate everyone townreading king, hate everyone scumreading king, and can't read king. I will get literally nothing out of that lynch. People have kind of ignored this option, though, and I think there's good reasoning behind it.
Also willing to lynch: Moody (for his main content being shitty white knight defense of king), Hitmonleet (for his lackluster but possibly busy content that I had to pry out of him), King (because regardless of the above there is no real defense for his behavior and content), aubisio (straight up policy), Haruno (suspicious drop off in content for him)
Alright let me make myself clear
I don't believe King is town any more than anyone else, I am not convinced however that :
a. He is scum because of his lashing out
b. His flip will be interesting
Actually I've held back on lynching him in popcorn because it looked like an emotional town response, and he flipped scum, but I wouldn't be any wiser in the event he flips town right now. I've said this before and I'll say it again, I can be convinced, but if you don't explain to me how his townflip would be helpful and why you seem convinced that he won't flip town, you're just expecting me to sheep it and that is something scum can do with 0 effort needed. Call it whiteknight bullshit if you want to.
I don't know who we should lynch, gut says Knights reads scummy but I won't try and disguise it as a good push. I'm looking back at people's posts to try and figure out targets who'd bring info but this is still day 1.
I don't believe King is town any more than anyone else, I am not convinced however that :
a. He is scum because of his lashing out
b. His flip will be interesting
Actually I've held back on lynching him in popcorn because it looked like an emotional town response, and he flipped scum, but I wouldn't be any wiser in the event he flips town right now. I've said this before and I'll say it again, I can be convinced, but if you don't explain to me how his townflip would be helpful and why you seem convinced that he won't flip town, you're just expecting me to sheep it and that is something scum can do with 0 effort needed. Call it whiteknight bullshit if you want to.
I don't know who we should lynch, gut says Knights reads scummy but I won't try and disguise it as a good push. I'm looking back at people's posts to try and figure out targets who'd bring info but this is still day 1.
Also Josh said that if King flipped scum that'd make me his teammate, expected that one, fair enough. Asek implying that FH flipping town would make me scum pushing on him doesn't look good however and looks like a setup for 2 town deaths, him saying this and then having a scum read iirc on FH doesn't seem to make sense too ?
king flip will be telling, or we can lynch one of the folks who pushed
him earlier. iso delayed due to only one computer in the house and someone having a paper of sorts due tomorrow. mobile content for now.
ditto the "haruno had content?" i'm p sure everything he said was just responses to everyone else, and some ganging up on king.
speaking of ditto, is he in this game?
him earlier. iso delayed due to only one computer in the house and someone having a paper of sorts due tomorrow. mobile content for now.
ditto the "haruno had content?" i'm p sure everything he said was just responses to everyone else, and some ganging up on king.
speaking of ditto, is he in this game?
Quick half-assed isos
Aubisio is apparently townread, contribution includes saying that meta reads namely Hitmonleet's scumread on Josh are bad and giving out townreads to Walrein/Asek/blazade in one liner posts
Walrein looks passive, didn't get into any conflict and townreads a bunch of people. Nothing to call him out on but this puts him on my radar.
In the same vein Paperblade feels like he's being a spectator and falls into wifom about his read on FH
Haruno opens by bringing up the setup, then falls into the background and gives townreads to Aubisio and King, not much to see here but giving townreads is not how I remember his play
Knights reads even worse looking back at #262
Hitmonleet makes reads and stuff and I probably town read him until one of King/Knights/Hawkie flips scum idk man I'm tired
I don't want to iso Ullar and Hawkie pls notlikethis
Of note, Jalmont has been getting into conflicts with a bunch of people which I interpret as towny. Hitmonleet/Hawkie have either nullread me or forgot to mention me, seems like I'm doing a good job at flying under the radar.
Aubisio is apparently townread, contribution includes saying that meta reads namely Hitmonleet's scumread on Josh are bad and giving out townreads to Walrein/Asek/blazade in one liner posts
Walrein looks passive, didn't get into any conflict and townreads a bunch of people. Nothing to call him out on but this puts him on my radar.
In the same vein Paperblade feels like he's being a spectator and falls into wifom about his read on FH
Haruno opens by bringing up the setup, then falls into the background and gives townreads to Aubisio and King, not much to see here but giving townreads is not how I remember his play
Knights reads even worse looking back at #262
Hitmonleet makes reads and stuff and I probably town read him until one of King/Knights/Hawkie flips scum idk man I'm tired
I don't want to iso Ullar and Hawkie pls notlikethis
Of note, Jalmont has been getting into conflicts with a bunch of people which I interpret as towny. Hitmonleet/Hawkie have either nullread me or forgot to mention me, seems like I'm doing a good job at flying under the radar.
How is lynching of those who pushed his wagon d2 a good idea when the case against him was like "he's being bad and emotional"
At this point I might believe in the narrative where King is town and scum has been staying away from his wagon/saying they don't think it's a good idea to look better later.
You'd usually expect Haruno to be involved in a pissing contest like what happened last night, or at least make some comments. That's all I meant by "content" lol. He's at the bottom of that list for a reason.
I don't agree with moody on Jalmont's conflicts but Jalmont's a better read on future days.
I don't agree with moody on Jalmont's conflicts but Jalmont's a better read on future days.
Thetwinmasters can I request votecount?
okay
so if people would stop posting about personal insults and actually played the game themselves it would be less of an issue. it doesn't help the problem.
anyways, I don't appreciate people trying to devalue my king argument to a personal attack. he insulted me, I insulted back. that's not why he's the lynch, there's people I've liked far less that I've played til endgame with on ms and had good results with.
he's the lynch because his attitude is in no way pro town. there is no town benefit to openly insulting a town read. that does not help the game and does not create useful discussion. it makes the person you town read more emotional and therefore perform worsw. then, discrediting my case to a personal attack and completely dodging my question. I wanted to see if he could justify his thought process in personally attacking a town read. he couldn't and instead changed the topic.
nothing king has done is pro town. if he IS town and we DON'T lynch him today we need to deal with him the rest of the game. that means i and any other townies scumreading him need to accept him as town. he's a free lynch for scum later. he has not contributed positively to the game. king is my strongest scumread. he needs rope today. if he flips town, that still helps me, though I highly doubt he will.
so if people would stop posting about personal insults and actually played the game themselves it would be less of an issue. it doesn't help the problem.
anyways, I don't appreciate people trying to devalue my king argument to a personal attack. he insulted me, I insulted back. that's not why he's the lynch, there's people I've liked far less that I've played til endgame with on ms and had good results with.
he's the lynch because his attitude is in no way pro town. there is no town benefit to openly insulting a town read. that does not help the game and does not create useful discussion. it makes the person you town read more emotional and therefore perform worsw. then, discrediting my case to a personal attack and completely dodging my question. I wanted to see if he could justify his thought process in personally attacking a town read. he couldn't and instead changed the topic.
nothing king has done is pro town. if he IS town and we DON'T lynch him today we need to deal with him the rest of the game. that means i and any other townies scumreading him need to accept him as town. he's a free lynch for scum later. he has not contributed positively to the game. king is my strongest scumread. he needs rope today. if he flips town, that still helps me, though I highly doubt he will.
I was going to say something like this (and scum!haruno if town!king due to this) but decided it just didn't involve him so it wasn't relevant.
There is definitely benefit in shitting on peoples town reads lol. If you're dumb and believe in the whole "lock town" from a non innocent child or a dead/revealed alignment cop clearing you, you don't have shit. Otherwise it's best to just assume everyone is neutral. We all know every nig is going to claim vanillager and you can't possibly kill off all the vanillager claims. So from my pov there's still no reason to actively scum hunt.
There is no "useful" discussion day 1 in a sort of open set up like this ESPECIALLY WHEN EVERYONE IS ACTIVELY DISCOURAGING FIGURING OUT WHAT SET UP WE'RE ON! Most/all posts by people are full of hot air and pretty much doesn't AI anyone unless someone does something batshit retarded that would implicate them
There is no "useful" discussion day 1 in a sort of open set up like this ESPECIALLY WHEN EVERYONE IS ACTIVELY DISCOURAGING FIGURING OUT WHAT SET UP WE'RE ON! Most/all posts by people are full of hot air and pretty much doesn't AI anyone unless someone does something batshit retarded that would implicate them
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