NOC Matrix 12 NOC - Game Over, Mafia Wins

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There is way too much subbing for a NOC this fuckin early lol.

Josh is back to bullying which makes me wary again but I agree with just about everything he's saying so I have no problem following through on it.

Knight's obstinance is weird here. I tend not to think of the chainsaw defense much (especially cause of its nonsensical name) but I'm not really seeing how it applies to shubaka as opposed to just picking fights or scumhunting, at least not enough to make me want to drop my earlier strong tone read on him or lynch him without some more evidence. Stonewalling like this can be characteristic of independence, but it can just as easily reek of wanting a lack of accountability. This read has dropped to null or even lean scum.

Moody's obsession with information is odd considering many people gave hard stances on all the players he listed. In the abstract it seems like a pretty weak excuse and I'll be watching for how it affects the wagonomics.

Hawkie still my strongest townread, really pressing without mercy. I've been tonereading Hitmonleet for a lack of content and general awkwardness/busywork, but the contradiction isn't something I might have never noticed without his help. Hitmonleet is firmly in the lynch pool now.

pancake says I have no content like he does every fucking game. You're just gonna have to deal with the fact that the stuff I notice is important to me, and that I'm kind of in a slow patch posting-wise with RPGLB coming up. I have reasons for all my reads and I make a large effort to present an original perspective. I'm sorry, I just hate it when people say this shit every game like I have nothing to say; you could ask questions and I'd explain further, but you're content to cast shade instead.
 
I might catch up with my reading and post tomorrow but can we put the game on stand by during the next night cycle until subs come in? it kind of drains my enthusiasm for the game if everyone i try to read just starts subbing in and out and i have to deal with that in trying to form reads
 
i love how texas just sheeps me with josh, both of their reasoning being either "I'm scum" or "posts are scummy." Like Josh typically does this but this is definitely not a typical texas play which further convinces me that he is probably scum. In fact, I am leaning toward him rather than blazade, but they are both still scumreads that I am the least confident about. This is not to say that Josh just explaining absolutely nothing every fucking game is fine though, it's really not, it's super unhelpful beside
Blazade i don't say that shit every game just this one and the last one I think :[ I'm sorry if I offended you but like it's kinda true, for example you don't come to any sort of conclusion regarding knights and moody in your post, you just simply notice something they've been doing and are kinda like "it's weird." Like you can argue that you can't come to a conclusion but I'd say if you don't make some sort of concluding statement in your post about the person you are talking about, you aren't going any deeper than observation, which while ok doesn't help town nearly as much as using a concluding statement, taking a stance on the person.
 
Some people are divisive, some people aren't. I don't lynch moody today and I think there are better options than knights for now. For me to say I knew for sure on each isn't exactly honest, though.
 
Some people are divisive, some people aren't. I don't lynch moody today and I think there are better options than knights for now. For me to say I knew for sure on each isn't exactly honest, though.

of course you aren't sure no one is sure. I never said that you had to be sure. I'm just saying you didn't even take a soft stance on either of them, your post simply observes something about them, see:

Moody's obsession with information is odd considering many people gave hard stances on all the players he listed. In the abstract it seems like a pretty weak excuse and I'll be watching for how it affects the wagonomics.

You are like yeah this is weird! I'll be watching how it affects the game! which is not helping town nearly as much as saying "This tips me off a bit. I'm leaning a bit more toward scum on moody because of it."

also
Fuck they caught me sending subliminal signals telling town to not lynch scum
On a more serious note what is everyone's lynch pool today and why
is this a joke
 
I'm getting tired of having people be either idling/acting sketchy then going afk and leaving us to coin toss it between idlers
And of people apparently seriously thinking that I'm advocating for a town lynch like that'd make any sense from either alignment. I've said it like 10 times already, a lynch that doesn't bring anything towards figuring out what was the deal with these d1 wagons in case of mislynch is a garbage lynch to me.
 
of course you aren't sure no one is sure. I never said that you had to be sure. I'm just saying you didn't even take a soft stance on either of them, your post simply observes something about them, see:



You are like yeah this is weird! I'll be watching how it affects the game! which is not helping town nearly as much as saying "This tips me off a bit. I'm leaning a bit more toward scum on moody because of it."

also

is this a joke

Ok that's more productive. I'm sorry i didn't make it clear, but I'm still townreading moody off of some earlier behavior. The point I was trying to make was that if he's scum then the reason he's scum is he's trying to ignore certain players for imo flimsy reasons and that paying attention to those people is important.

That's why town-scum is a bit more complicated than a sliding scale of good and bad points.
 
On a more serious note what is everyone's lynch pool today and why

Shubaka becuase don't ignore major scumtells. Ullar because rereading him didn't shift my sl read on him. I need to run Hitmon before deciding if he is or isn't in the pool.

And King's going to be in my pool tomorrow, but not today because today I've been doubting my ability to read him.
 
Wow more sub buddies incoming :D
this game will die
So was reading the last page and a half, and what popped up the most to me was MoodyCloud's recent posts. For example:
Fuck they caught me sending subliminal signals telling town to not lynch scum
On a more serious note what is everyone's lynch pool today and why
I don't see why you put the first line except to make your post not a "one-liner". Just seems filler, and then after you asked what is everyone's lynchpool.
"Ullar was the d1 counterwagon and in that regard his flip is vastly more interesting to me than shubaka/leet's" (mb couldn't quote it for some reason when I made this it didn't pop up)
Seems sort of like scum trying to be productive but not really saying anything actually productive themselves. Also, I see this repeated theme of "My reads are only based off lynches, scumpools, etc. and not their actual activity or what they do." I also would like to ask you what your scumpool is as I don't think you've stated it except "Don't lynch shub or leet because I don't value their flip". I mean, if your gonna ask people what their lynchpool is and why their lynchpool is that, you might as well answer your own question right?
Also it's not exactly a reason to read MoodyCloud but why are you liking every single post that I see instead of making your own posts/ideas

Thetwinmasters are we going to have extends or is deadline going to be today no matter what
 
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