NOC Matrix 12 NOC - Game Over, Mafia Wins

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p41 josh puts waaaay too much emphasis on active posters as a reason to scumread me

texas does this too later but less

i generally think actives are bad lynches early unless they scumslip hardcore but i feel like josh is veering into the territory of "its scummy to not townread anyone who is active because they are active" which is faulty logic and got me the popcorn W :toast:

being active doesnt make you immune to scumreads or somehow not mafia. most of josh's argument against me is that i scumread actives and that's just SKETCHY. now that ive caught up id say i like texas a lot more than i did from just skimming and his reaction to my subbing in and early posts; those were p bad. josh........... his retard tunnel screams boneheaded town too big for his britches but a lot of his logic and posts and pushes scream scum.

i think he's probably a bad lynch today bc if he's mafia trading himself 1 for 1 for me is numerically poor, unless his team thinks my slot is a PR. this makes him more likely village? but i disagree with a lot of what he says and does in this game. then again i did with empoof in popcorn and he was village (and i would've disagreed with it as actual!town).

it does bother me that josh attempts to bog down the game by claiming the lynch pool is only X people he deems fit for it or demands we lynch king this day, this king, and no other!!! and trying to force a 1v1 against me to lynch between. it just feels like he's trying really hard to keep Certain People out of the spotlight and artificially fixate the game on other people. mostly weaker slots (king ullar leet) who can probably be forced to "scumslip" with too much pressure.

i see his efforts to narrow the lynch focus as anti-town and im surprised more people haven't called him on this.

reading over hitmonleet's posts man i just don't know if i can take a stand decisively. i dont think his posts are very good but i also think people pick at him to make them like they've done with pokeguynxb-flyhn and king and crap before he can really organize his thoughts. that said, if people DON'T pressure leet he doesn't seem to post at all and both of his EoD votes have been throwaways (he didn't place one at all yesterday which is Dislike). i want to say there have been a few too many people multi-day pushing leet as knights pointed out for him to make sense as mafia? i just find it very unlikely anyone on his team would have started the bus d1, and then d2 after they lost their roleblocker, the other 2 continue to let him flounder and get a ton of pressure.

leet and josh makes the most sense as scum together i think? josh has flip flopped between voting leet and pushing him and gunning for king or me or someone else but i think it could be telling he's never Actually wound up on leet and leet isn't Actually lynched yet. leet got a lot of early votes and support on d3 and then josh decided to force the lynch to be between me and him.

i don't think they are actually scum together, just saying if one does flip scum i am immediately looking at the other.

vote ironic double

this guy seems like a tastier subject today

caught up on the game now lgi

nothing on shubaka/empoof?
 
p41 josh puts waaaay too much emphasis on active posters as a reason to scumread me

texas does this too later but less

i generally think actives are bad lynches early unless they scumslip hardcore but i feel like josh is veering into the territory of "its scummy to not townread anyone who is active because they are active" which is faulty logic and got me the popcorn W :toast:

being active doesnt make you immune to scumreads or somehow not mafia. most of josh's argument against me is that i scumread actives and that's just SKETCHY. now that ive caught up id say i like texas a lot more than i did from just skimming and his reaction to my subbing in and early posts; those were p bad. josh........... his retard tunnel screams boneheaded town too big for his britches but a lot of his logic and posts and pushes scream scum.

i think he's probably a bad lynch today bc if he's mafia trading himself 1 for 1 for me is numerically poor, unless his team thinks my slot is a PR. this makes him more likely village? but i disagree with a lot of what he says and does in this game. then again i did with empoof in popcorn and he was village (and i would've disagreed with it as actual!town).

it does bother me that josh attempts to bog down the game by claiming the lynch pool is only X people he deems fit for it or demands we lynch king this day, this king, and no other!!! and trying to force a 1v1 against me to lynch between. it just feels like he's trying really hard to keep Certain People out of the spotlight and artificially fixate the game on other people. mostly weaker slots (king ullar leet) who can probably be forced to "scumslip" with too much pressure.

i see his efforts to narrow the lynch focus as anti-town and im surprised more people haven't called him on this.

reading over hitmonleet's posts man i just don't know if i can take a stand decisively. i dont think his posts are very good but i also think people pick at him to make them like they've done with pokeguynxb-flyhn and king and crap before he can really organize his thoughts. that said, if people DON'T pressure leet he doesn't seem to post at all and both of his EoD votes have been throwaways (he didn't place one at all yesterday which is Dislike). i want to say there have been a few too many people multi-day pushing leet as knights pointed out for him to make sense as mafia? i just find it very unlikely anyone on his team would have started the bus d1, and then d2 after they lost their roleblocker, the other 2 continue to let him flounder and get a ton of pressure.

leet and josh makes the most sense as scum together i think? josh has flip flopped between voting leet and pushing him and gunning for king or me or someone else but i think it could be telling he's never Actually wound up on leet and leet isn't Actually lynched yet. leet got a lot of early votes and support on d3 and then josh decided to force the lynch to be between me and him.

i don't think they are actually scum together, just saying if one does flip scum i am immediately looking at the other.

vote ironic double

this guy seems like a tastier subject today

caught up on the game now lgi
this entire post is fucking retarded. that's not only not even close to what I said but you're shrinking my argument to that.
 
smh i come back and im being voted lol

is it cause im making posts like this or because my sub was scummy af /me claps

oh it must be because i put my glasses and shovel on when i saw hitmonleet.../me claps twice

imo im pretty tasty Yeti tho i still dont understand how hitmonleet now is borderline NOT going to be lynched for literally the 3rd day in a row lol
 
I still believe that if one of Knights/yeti flips scum the other's likelihood of being too goes up significantly from the d1 wagon which can be interpreted as the scum team deflecting the lynch from Ullar to Haruno. I don't operate off that assumption rn but like if I'm wrong about Ullar's alignment I'm probably wrong about a lot more and Ullar slot+Haruno wagon scum team then becomes my plan B
 
this is good

wanna give reasons for each

Sure!

  • Josh/Yeti feels too directly antagonizing to be TvT, imo. At least one of them is likely scum. Plus, they each have other reasons to be lynched (Yeti has that horrible entrance, Josh has the constant changing [although he did explain that])
  • Texas has had some shoddy reasonings overall, and his posts have felt really bloated with irrelevant or obvious statements.
  • Papercake, honestly, I just don't like. It's really a gutread, but it's the strongest scum I have after these two/three.
 
smh i come back and im being voted lol

is it cause im making posts like this or because my sub was scummy af /me claps

oh it must be because i put my glasses and shovel on when i saw hitmonleet.../me claps twice

imo im pretty tasty Yeti tho i still dont understand how hitmonleet now is borderline NOT going to be lynched for literally the 3rd day in a row lol

Alright, now you've gotten me confused. Why are you still tunneling me? I don't get it. Am I literally your only scumread, to the point where you're completely blindsiding yourself to all evidence to the contrary?
 
I like yeti's activity, looks like what Knights' posts should have been
Her slot being scum is not out of the question but I don't want to flip it today (and probably not tomorrow)
I don't really want to flip Josh now either,like if he's town it's a complete waste of time and while he may be faking it I don't believe it is the case here

Hitmonleet is an acceptable lynch but I think it might be yet another bait that's being too easily taken, I want to look at the slots I suspect most rn aka Blazade/Pancake/Ironicdouble/Fort

Knights is hovering around a town lean for his activity but I still can't shake a gut scum read, people tell me I'm wrong on this so whatever I'll push somewhere else first
Texas I feel like I shouldn't want to lynch based on his interactions yet I still don't want to put in my town pool
Asek is probably my do or die town read rn along with the Yeti slot, if I'm wrong about one of those two then my solve might be just dead wrong
 
leet and josh makes the most sense as scum together i think? josh has flip flopped between voting leet and pushing him and gunning for king or me or someone else but i think it could be telling he's never Actually wound up on leet and leet isn't Actually lynched yet. leet got a lot of early votes and support on d3 and then josh decided to force the lynch to be between me and him.

I really don't think they make sense as scum together. Josh's focus on you imo doesn't mean him pushing on leet a lot goes away. I didn't feel like leet was being bussed by josh from their interactions
 
I still believe that if one of Knights/yeti flips scum the other's likelihood of being too goes up significantly from the d1 wagon which can be interpreted as the scum team deflecting the lynch from Ullar to Haruno. I don't operate off that assumption rn but like if I'm wrong about Ullar's alignment I'm probably wrong about a lot more and Ullar slot+Haruno wagon scum team then becomes my plan B

This post feels really townie.

Okay moody I'm more convinced now. Maybe you caught me at a good morning
 
I like yeti's activity, looks like what Knights' posts should have been
Her slot being scum is not out of the question but I don't want to flip it today (and probably not tomorrow)
I don't really want to flip Josh now either,like if he's town it's a complete waste of time and while he may be faking it I don't believe it is the case here

Hitmonleet is an acceptable lynch but I think it might be yet another bait that's being too easily taken, I want to look at the slots I suspect most rn aka Blazade/Pancake/Ironicdouble/Fort

Knights is hovering around a town lean for his activity but I still can't shake a gut scum read, people tell me I'm wrong on this so whatever I'll push somewhere else first
Texas I feel like I shouldn't want to lynch based on his interactions yet I still don't want to put in my town pool
Asek is probably my do or die town read rn along with the Yeti slot, if I'm wrong about one of those two then my solve might be just dead wrong

Cool incase you missed it this is more or less exactly how I see the game but am stuck on a town read on the disappeared pancake.
 
I'm back sorry for idling yesterday /: was busy, please don't even come close to hammering leet yet

pancake talk to me today. I don't think you're scum anymore so let's talk about why you're convinced I am? Who would I be in a team with? Even if I am scum it's worth exploring this and thinking about the connections between people connected to me. And if I'm not it's helpful to me to see who I might be reading for the wrong reasons

Perhaps ironicdouble or leet, but I'm pretty sure you are scum, your reason for voting king_ yesterday was sheeping josh. However, what you failed to note in your post was that hitmonleet was your top scumread, and you reference pressuring him in your argument multiple times today. this leads me to believe that perhaps voting hitmonleet was just a cover. additionally many of your posts lack any content whatsoever, i remember citing post 856 as an attempt to sound intelligent that is just stating the main mechanics of mafia. you don't even explain why you don't scumread me anymore lol, perhaps the king_ flip? but yeah
 
Ordered tierlist

Town:
Empoof - lock clear. Fort is confused about his read on me siting a mutual chainsaw effect and knights is still questioning because he knows deep down I'm town (regardless of knights alignment). I'm actually incredibly town despite coming from a shubaka slot (no offense bb but you're the only person in the game I've ever felt that I can never have a proper read on). If I could explain shubaka's thought process about his jalmont opinions I would.

Asek
Hawkie
MoodyCloud
Flyhn->Ullar->Yeti
Texas Cloverleaf
Paperblade->Pancake
Aubisio->Da Letter El->Fort Colorcastle

Inbetween - scum in here:
Josh - Starting to believe you're town though
KnightsofCydonia
Former Hope->Ironic Double
Hitmonleet

Scum:
Blazade

To win the game right at this moment I'd have asek+hawkie+moody+yeti as a town circle. NGL yeti town read kind of waning a bit with some of her more outlandish thoughts coming out that I don't agree with. Honorable mention texas for being someone I don't think I'd ever feel comfortable lynching but #MassiveTonalGulf.

If I'm wrong on people it's fort/pancake/yeti and moody is a new feeling for me so I'll need to process it more.

So hitmonleet is weird where if he's scum he's 100% being bussed like very hard but I'm not getting townie vibes.
 
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