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NOC Matrix 12 NOC - Game Over, Mafia Wins
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pretty much
I buy ironic double and blazade as plausible partners, hawkie is still a top town read
ID i could see going for the hard bus given the lack of defense on or from leet, higher utility option, likely
don't think i see anyone else plausibly on the scum team atm, would need more flip info first
ID i could see going for the hard bus given the lack of defense on or from leet, higher utility option, likely
don't think i see anyone else plausibly on the scum team atm, would need more flip info first
hmm i do see a scenario where ID is lock town though
I literally see the game near polar opposite of what shubaka was presenting. I've read his reasonings for things and because it's my slot I'm predisposed to read it town. I get that he had a planned talk about a flipped scum and didn't get to it, and I get that you consider it scummy. But it's something I have 0 control over and something I can't explain other than "yeah that's unfortunate". I've focused on other parts of the game instead because of that and from it garnered townreads that weren't there before and people who are only siting my other side as scum. This is what I like to call "spewing town" and it's something that I'm known for.
It's crazy to me that noone throughout this whole phase other than myself (that i've seen anyways) has suggested that me being the hammer on wagons widely considered t/w would further a scum tell
I do have spunk, it's true. Pretty sure you modded a game where I played similar and was town. I think you'll be forced to come around on me sooner or later so I'm not worried about it at all and don't feel like I'm under heavy pressure here either.
Like, what are you looking for from me about this scumtell
I legitimately think I'm locktown from town PoV
My current reads
Town
Hawkie - Tonereads like a young aggrotownie. Eager to pounce, eager to try dramatic methods, easy to get caught up in drama. The Hawkie vs Ullar fight shows some misunderstandings on both sides, looks more like a fumbling slapfight than scum attacking or defending.
Texas Cloverleaf - Why would the game Jalmont gets up off his ass also be the game he and a partner doublebus on D1. This doesn't make sense to me. I can't reconcile scum!Texas with his known scum partner, so I think Texas is more likely to be Town.
Josh - I'm still seeing a drive to win that is more self-motivated than alignment motivated, which weighs more towards Townie than scummy.
Null
MoodyCloud - A couple of things in D1 and 2 read scummy, but his attitude is one I recognize as fitting of Town!Moody. This read might rise back up to Town.
Asek - The Asek vs King fight looks like it started unintentionally. For it to be intentional would take a lot of planning and skill. Paranoia's got me parking the read here rather than keeping it in Town reads, because I think Asek is smart enough to do something like that. I'm probably wrong in regards to this game, but Paranoia won't shut up.
Ullar/Yeti: Ullar started in my scumreads and rereading him didn't give me any additional impressions to shift him by. Yeti seems to be thoroughly reading the game and actually using what she reads to form her reads. Paranoia's butted into this one again because seeing scum!Yeti play popcorn is still somewhat fresh in my mind and I'm not sure if there's a noticeable difference in attitude (aside from a few key phrases in popcorn).
Paperblade/Pancake - Paper started out as possible scum from what read like a bystander attitude and started seeming more Townie as time passed. Then Pancake subbed in and stalled the read with a continuous push that doesn't make sense to me and some dubious vibes about reasoning behind bringing in somebody familiar to him as sub. This read might drop to scum later.
Scum
Hitmonleet: Going from confusion to using dubious setup spec as basis for a scumread in the same post for starters. The tunnel he made on Josh looks sloppy, incomplete, and rushed. He just moves on to Asek as if half a case is enough. I think Hitmon tried and failed to seize an opportunity to move a player with a poorly received attitude into range of the noose.
Shubaka/Empoof: I don't think I can state my take on this slot better than I did in 1646.
Town
Hawkie - Tonereads like a young aggrotownie. Eager to pounce, eager to try dramatic methods, easy to get caught up in drama. The Hawkie vs Ullar fight shows some misunderstandings on both sides, looks more like a fumbling slapfight than scum attacking or defending.
Texas Cloverleaf - Why would the game Jalmont gets up off his ass also be the game he and a partner doublebus on D1. This doesn't make sense to me. I can't reconcile scum!Texas with his known scum partner, so I think Texas is more likely to be Town.
Josh - I'm still seeing a drive to win that is more self-motivated than alignment motivated, which weighs more towards Townie than scummy.
Null
MoodyCloud - A couple of things in D1 and 2 read scummy, but his attitude is one I recognize as fitting of Town!Moody. This read might rise back up to Town.
Asek - The Asek vs King fight looks like it started unintentionally. For it to be intentional would take a lot of planning and skill. Paranoia's got me parking the read here rather than keeping it in Town reads, because I think Asek is smart enough to do something like that. I'm probably wrong in regards to this game, but Paranoia won't shut up.
Ullar/Yeti: Ullar started in my scumreads and rereading him didn't give me any additional impressions to shift him by. Yeti seems to be thoroughly reading the game and actually using what she reads to form her reads. Paranoia's butted into this one again because seeing scum!Yeti play popcorn is still somewhat fresh in my mind and I'm not sure if there's a noticeable difference in attitude (aside from a few key phrases in popcorn).
Paperblade/Pancake - Paper started out as possible scum from what read like a bystander attitude and started seeming more Townie as time passed. Then Pancake subbed in and stalled the read with a continuous push that doesn't make sense to me and some dubious vibes about reasoning behind bringing in somebody familiar to him as sub. This read might drop to scum later.
Scum
Hitmonleet: Going from confusion to using dubious setup spec as basis for a scumread in the same post for starters. The tunnel he made on Josh looks sloppy, incomplete, and rushed. He just moves on to Asek as if half a case is enough. I think Hitmon tried and failed to seize an opportunity to move a player with a poorly received attitude into range of the noose.
Shubaka/Empoof: I don't think I can state my take on this slot better than I did in 1646.
Not sure haven't done my deep plunge into Blazade's life story yet. I'm not really worried about preflip association and usually take things one at a time.
Yeti something that's bugging me is that I've watched you continually evaluate hawkie who I consider someone that almost needs 0 evaluation on because of his pushes on jalmont d1. I'm sure you've said it somewhere and I skimmed over it or something, but what about him makes you look past that and keep questioning it. How is him literally yelling jalmonts name at the start of the game not a full stop for you
Why is it that you completely ignored all of my posts after my Asek reads?
alright looked into a couple things and I don't think i'm comfortable lynching ironicdouble before hitmonleet. i think if hitmonleet flips scum there's enough reasoning below the surface to lock ID as town and as before if he flips town it makes asek more likely scum. for the time being unvote Vote Blazade
KnightsofCydonia What in my attitude do you recognize as me being town ?
Come to think of it if I'm right about this we need to be lynching hitmonleet today
i do have a townread on hawkie but i feel it would be inconsistent to not point him out alongside other people who have hardwagoned leet, if only as an example of someone town doing it as well. wouldn't you find it weird if i only said 2 of my scumreads in relation to leet pushers but not the town guy?
i do tend to never locktown anyone tho and always reevaluate everyone to avoid bamboozle. i dont think im really reevaluating hawkie in my posts tho so much as bringing him up in the context of leet/wagons? much like im PRETTY SURE your slot is town based off some of shubaka's early posts but im still gonna mention stuff your slot has said or wagoned in comparison to others
if town let's yeti live to lylo we deserve to lose
i mean the short answer is "duh" (insert obstinate josh post here) (oh he beat me to it lmaooo)
the long answer is yes bc i am most confident in myself as town and only this piece of info. so getting into lylo i would know that and i would feel pretty? confident? i would be able to pick out the final scum, or scums if we rly boozle and get into a bad spot. rn its kind of hard bc of the limited number of total flips and how bad i consider the two successful wagons and d1 counterwagon to have been to suss things out but at the point we reach lylo there will be a lot of vote data and in-thread relationships for me to verify my scumreads with. and no offense to anyone else but id feel most confident in my own reads going into lylo being accurate, and from town. i think this is true of a majority of players in the game tho.
from a not-my-slot perspective i think someone else would answer this question with "no the ullar/yeti slot shouldnt reach lylo" due to josh going full retard. town has already proven they are easily duped by spergfests and noobtown in the haruno and king mislynches which makes ullar a viable scumread for a lot of people who can't critically think beyond "see ragefest, scumread" when that kind of behavior is almost never scumscripted or done by scum. early fights like that are nearly always two towns, either two egos (cough josh and me) or two spergs (king and ullar and also hawkie who isnt sperg but did get way too hyper onto ullar to be sensible), and the mafia just sit back and let town derail thread.
i personally dislike a lot of ullar's posts and can see why others would scumread him for them beyond his spats but again i think you're just playing into noobtown mislynch hand if you do that; coming from a 'better' noc player or someone who isn't so volatile the king and ullar posts both look a lot worse.
i am confident enough in my own abilities as a noc player esp on smogon that getting to lylo i'd be able to convince whoever else is town with me i am also town and lynch the mafia, despite the setbacks of josh and being ullar's slot. josh is about to screech i would be able to do this as scum as well so we should never ever let me get anywhere near lylo.
there are a couple Old games before many of those in this game came to circus where i got townread a bit too hard and had to intentionally act scummier to survive nightkills bc i wanted to stay alive longer, i would cite this as evidence my meta is always to remain alive to the end as any alignment. prob bc i also dont believe in info lynches only scumread lynches so whenever someone says "we'd get more INFO off lynching yeti" i say "u have brain dmg" popcorn players will have ptsd since i did this as scum as well but that worked so well bc it is my town meta. its different in ocs where role strength and info roles are more of a factor than scumhunting ability.
anw yes i do think i should be in lylo, i feel like most towns would answer yes to that except the newer players who don't feel super confident they would be able to analyze the game and read right in that crucial moment. im not fussed by the pressure or work required tho.
interesting i thought you might have said no because you'll lose town the game in lylo when people get paranoid of you pulling a popcorn scum game
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