NOC Matrix 12 NOC - Game Over, Mafia Wins

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oh yeah i think blazade is at a speedrunning event (hes playing). So as much as id like to follow through from yesterday and grill him idk how receptive hes gonna be until tomorrow.
 
IronicDouble (‽) said:
I love how half of you guys base reads off previous games thats honestly so stupid
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Speaking as the host of the previous game you're referring to, Yeti solo carrying scum to a win was pretty impressive.

pancake said:
KoC's readlist is trash, he only takes a scum stance on one player and has a huge null category, moved him more toward scum on my list but I had a gut town read on him but that read list is just so bad lmao... not like typical knights.
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I know I haven't played well this time around and I'm glad to hear someone other than Josh say something about it. Though I did mark where some of the null reads might progress if nothing drastic happens to swing them in the other direction. I've also tried to make myself useful by collecting and displaying interactions without just being lazy and saying "so and so said something about X and you can scumhunt off my technical hearsay". Not as useful as I'd like, but I'm trying.
 
okay bored of this gimmick now

magical info

are ya ready

that entire yeti tunnel was a long ass rxn test because this game confused me and i was bored

xD

and, i think it was very helpful. here are my reads with the info ive gained from it inputted

  • scum lean on yeti. waffled on this a lot, decided continuing the rxn test would no longer help this read. i dont think her attitude is necessarily pro town. her entrance was genuinely really bad, and like, her follow up was similar. for example, i asked her like /a lot/ to go look at my king arguments, she avoided it completely, later asked me to quote which i did and then never replied even when she came on at deadline. i get being busy, but her whole attitude about king obviously being town wasnt present or even mentioned previously, she definitely did not try to deter the lynch even after she came back near deadline. today, shes had several issues too; most of her wallposts are alright but the general issue is they just straight up arent relevant. like, its busy work that doesnt really help gamesolve. its all fine and great to ask every player how their reads will change if x flips town/scum... but its not actually all fine and great. its hunting pre-flip associations which are an utter waste of time, especially because of how fluid reads are in a game like this. yeti is posting a lot, and most of what she says makes logical sense and hits town tones, but its just a waste of words. i feel decently like this is just her tryhardy scumgame. definitely nowhere near certain though, its gone back and forth in my mind a lot since i do also agree with her on some things. i could nitpick her walls but i honestly just dont give enough of a fuck, she wins that argument by providing so many points nobody will give enough of a shit to rebut.
  • hitmonleet isnt lock scum, but like, i see very little chance hes town. hes actively avoided every argument in the thread, skirted by with minimal content, but a couple more important things come to mind. when i called him conf scum that was to see if hed argue. leet is a beginner and i pictured town!leet either getting angry with people all considering him confscum OR try and convince people hes town. instead, he has to be prompted 50 times to post anything and he avoids things actively -- hell, when i called him lock scum he liked my post and didn't ever reply to it - replied to something else in the thread later. i think as a beginner he thought he was over and stopped giving a shit, and thats why hes not even bothering to defend himself. he might come back to the thread now that he knows i was lying, but like, the damage is done. additionally, and this one is big, his progression is just nonsensical. he scumreads me for weak reasons, i acknowledge that as slightly townie, he forces himself to keep a scumread on me for much worse reasons, i call him scum for that, he immediately cherrypicks a select couple shitposts from my iso, quotes them, calls them out, and then... develops a weak ass town lean on me from them? and then the next time it comes up he scum reads me again... except now hes voting yeti with me AND sheeping my reasoning. progression that bad just doesnt come from town in my eyes, i like hitmonleet and despite being a beginner i think town!leet is much better than that.
  • still don't think i'm ever voting hawkie this game
  • ah empoof and knights... youre the two i waffle on the most i think. knights, stop exclusively doing iioa. you put a shit ton of effort into this game and i rarely see that from scum, so because i havent seen your scum game (iirc) ill accept it as town for now. you need to put thought into the game though, because most of your iioa is just busywork like yeti (and no clue how you keep rereading through this thread over and over LMAO). so ya, youre fine, but cut the shit. oh, and i see town pointing out chainsawing there more, regardless of if its as significant as you think it is.
  • empoof, you said during my gambit that you have a lot of the same thoughts as yeti. want to point out what specifically? what about yeti this game pings you as scum? my read on you was genuine, shubaka gets 11 scum points but you get 14 town points for a total net gain of 3 town points. youre on the line, keep it up dawg. also, see ironicdouble info for a bit more on shubaka
  • dont know about blazade. i can literally never read him. that much was true. itll probably just be poe, though i will say he hasnt made a single impression. hey Blazade when you get back from being an elite speedrunner come impress me. i want to see critical analysis. you have a lot of catchup to do since it will probably be d4 when you get back. oh, and dont like you sheeping me the second time (first was ok), but its not horrible
  • still think asek is strong town and also probably wont vote him ever. also, i think scum!asek would be much more vocal.
  • moody is also strong town. not quite as strong, but strong enough i probably wont ever consider voting him pre-hypothetical-lylo.
  • pancake has awful arguments. last time i said that pancake flipped town. i think i just scumread him as a person. ill call it null.. though i will say i dont think hes ever partners with ironicdouble so one flip would clear the other.
  • hey speaking of ironicdouble... this dude is bad. real bad. i think it was him who said we overrely on meta... but if we ignore meta (including player experience) id have lynched you twenty times over because an experienced player never makes the posts you do this game. youre basically... doing nothing relevant. stop skating by and start generating discussion. stop bitching about meta because it really ha snt been overused this game. stop degrading reads to shit like "yeti is scum because shes good", it isnt helping anyone i will note i liked you calling out shubaka for being active on ps... and actually ill rule you out as a shubaka partner too because thats a weird as shit thing to point out. hi everyone, if ironicdouble flips scum poe becomes so much easier :D speaking of shubaka though, i /really/ cant stress enough how much i hate his entranec of "ill try harder this game" as he proceeds to hard lurk the game to the point of getting subbed WHILE PLAYING MAFIA ELSEWHERE. as in, not just ps, hes in a hydra with someone on ms too iirc (might be wrong on that, saw xNadrojx in a queue hydraing and i am p sure it was with shubaka). thats awful regardless of alignment and id also call it more likely scum. i am very disappointed in him tbqh. dunno why he signs up for nocs.
  • null on fcc. cant remember anything relevant from him, other than i think he was agreeing with me on some stuff.
  • finally... texas is now a pretty strong scum lean. first things first: if hitmonleet is town texas is close to conf scum from my pov. i started saying hitmonleet was gc (guilty child aka scum innocent child xD) which made no sense... and he agreed with it. scum!texas and town!leet is basically setting up the lylo lynch. there is no town motivation to on day 3 take someone and say "hey youre lock scum EVERYONE LETS NOT LYNCH THIS PERSON BECAUSE WE CAN DO IT LATER". if you had him as lock scum and didnt vote him thats straight up bad play. i have a higher opinion of you than that. you buddied me d1/d2a, which hawkie and asek kind of did as well, but they had their own ideas too. you followed me toe for toe... as did blazade kind of. when i switched up my read on you you retaliated with the same. you lack original thoughts and keep trying to do negotiating bs, but i just dont buy it. your attitude as a whole has far from impressed me

and on that note, unvote vote Hitmonleet. it is a mistake to let this escape rope a third time.
 
hello anyone ?

find the above moody post town. scum would just let this stagnate and not bother pinging.

not feeling as good about asek this day. hes kinda dropping off the radar. i think hes busy @ work but after a fairly strong and present d1, this asek d3 feels like coasting while town on town hate crimes clog up the thread. would like to see some more presence. also feel somewhat the same about texas i feel like he also just kind of vanished for this day or at least the past 24 hours. i know hes been here just doesnt feel like hes been as present.

im not yet sold on a hitmonleet lynch for today. blazade isnt gonna be around to defend himself so im not sure this is a worthwhile avenue either. but i'd consider it. or ironic double.

i feel like im struggling to get three solid scumreads so i think im gonna need more flips before i can pinpoint the third (or be proven wrong on these). i think im walreining and having an easier time townreading people.

stronger townreads
empoof
hawkie

townreads
pancake
moody
texas
knights
asek
josh

nully
leet
fort

scum
blazade
ironic double

iunno i have this suspicion that leet is yet another mislynch/red herring in terms of can't really defend himself or post "well" but then i look at his votes and actions of lurking and i'm like nah that's scummy. how many people have scumread him esp so early also has my guard up. thats a Lot of people and makes for an early bus by one of them.

i think knights might be a good leet partner in that he only voted him d2 and did so before the actual wagon started. but then im like but knights is pretty active and is posting stuff and taking stances but he also has a lot of instances where we see no evidence of his notes and rereads in his posts since changes in reads can easily be done by informed mafia when they don't come with justifications.

i also get nervous that one of my active townreads is Off and thats why i cant pinpoint who scum #3 is if leet is town.

i dont think theres a game shubaka and asek are mafia together due to shubaka d1 tunneling so thats comforting at least 1 of empoof and asek has to be town and i'm a lot more secure in my empoof read. i do dislike empoof wanting to end today early with a leet push. ending the day early does village a disservice.

blazade/id/leet team seems way too easy and i dont quite believe blazade and leet are partners. p sure theres someone in townreads (if not 2 if towns super unlucky) whos scum im currently missing in my reads.
 
josh i did go back and read your post and i am 95% sure i replied to what you quoted

i read what asek linked first and then what you did. i was on mobile and still at the event so i wasnt paying a ton of attn but i did read it and ppppp sure responded
 
i agree with the section on leet's actions p completely with the exception he did the same thing liking posts that accused him or took him in a bad light in popcorn, as town, iirc. i think thats just his m/o along with moody and jalmont and part of what made moody a fairly easy framejob when i was trying to set up his misfire so he could instantly shoot former hope who was never shooting me.

thats why i have him as null is i think his actions are super scummy but his post content when he does try and engage i want to be more forgiving of which may be a mistake? im also not sure his team doesnt prod him to respond a. more b. better. they've had two pretty piss poor nights. losing jalmont n1 and then their kill not going off n2 (whether killer was jked, target was jked, or they popped bpv) is not a good sequence of events even if they did hit walrein. leet seems too floundery for a mafia with that kind of turn?
 
im Holding My Tongue on this whole IT WAS ALL A RUSE thing in favor of reading josh's reads and being productive but
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Yeti said:
The Josh quote I also agree with but I don't really do the lynching of people for unhelpful to town reasons. I tend to only vote ppl I directly scumread so I agree with the sentiment king should be lynched sooner rather than later if he's going to refuse to be helpful but it's not one I would ever push myself if that makes sense

There are always personal attacks in these games tho so it seems a bit overdone to harp on king doing it
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here this is on p46, my responses to asek's and king's linked posts are gonna be on p45, MAYBE p44, as i made them first
 
idk the mafia are prolly ticked off you stopped cause now there wont be like 5 extra pages of town on town hate crimes and they'll actually have to pretend to fit in again

i dont think you got nearly as much traction as you hoped for bc you went on another good/active town and the mafia had every reason to just sit back and let us bash our heads into each other. i dont even think they'd necessarily want to bandwagon it bc once the situation resolves ppl will turn their attention to who the mafia could actually be and yea the mafia would be up 2 mislynches prob but also have artificially less discussion about the mafia in the meantime. nobody was particularly defensive or offensive about the situation which indicates no teammates (or josh told his to stay quiet kek) defending or bussing.

i think id prefer an ironic double flip today? but i dunno. the allowance im gonna give to hitmonleet for his activity and post content is gonna run out by the end of this day.
 
im goiing to do catch up page by page with commentary on what i see

y/n

otherwise i ~might~ do 1 big wallpost as much as i hate it

which one would you prefer
 
Texas Cloverleaf said:
i.e. josh was the person i was signalling in my very first post, josh knows i'm town, josh scum reading me=v bad sign
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i assumed you were signalling him or haruno as afaik you play on ms together but harunos reaction read to me that it was josh or haruno was being oblivious to it

i still stand by that was a weird thing to do but it lead me to have a stronger tr on you as josh was tring you in the beginning
 
Josh said:
. i started saying hitmonleet was gc (guilty child aka scum innocent child xD) which made no sense... and he agreed with it. scum!texas and town!leet is basically setting up the lylo lynch. there is no town motivation to on day 3 take someone and say "hey youre lock scum EVERYONE LETS NOT LYNCH THIS PERSON BECAUSE WE CAN DO IT LATER". if you had him as lock scum and didnt vote him thats straight up bad play.
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this isn't accurate btw, what i said was that we don't vote him unless there's a better alternative which is signaling to the thread to start looking for the other scum mates while coming back to leet later

moreover i came to the conclusion that we dont lynch ID before leet which was the primary counterwagon
 
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