NOC Matrix 12 NOC - Game Over, Mafia Wins

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legit read back 2 pages and saw nothing of any value that im gonna comment on except this

pancake said:
fuck xenforo, i lost notifications on this game

i think knightsofcydonia is town again, kinda a meta read but his reads seem justified even if they are bad and he shows pretty clear indications of what makes him think said reads to be correct

here I'll color the chart but it's getting late, more tmrw

1. Hawkie
12. Asek
16. Josh
5. KnightsOfCydonia
14. Flyhn -> Ullar -> Yeti
7. shubaka17 -> Empoof
10. MoodyCloud
15. Aubisio -> Da Letter El -> Fort Colorcastle
3. Blazade -> LightWolf
13. Texas Cloverleaf
9. Former Hope/Ironic Double

notable things that stayed the same:
- hawkie and asek are still my town core
- yeti and shubaka are still kinda up there in town
- ironicdouble, texas cloverleaf and blazade are down in scum reads

notable new things:
- josh is now part of my town core, i find him extremely unlikely to be scum after leet's flip
- Knights is leantown as I explained
- Moody moved down to null, knights has a point and this game in general he's been playing very weird, asking a lot of questions instead of answering them himself, etc.
- fort moved down to potential scum, p much what everyone else said
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i like how your reading me the greatest
you wanna explain why
maybe you should say why your four biggest scumreads are scumreads, personally i can easily just say ok this is town and this is scum just deal with it :^
 
We will not be lynching me today, thanks

I'm having a difficult time deciding if I believe hitmonleet was hard bussed by a teammate starting d1 or d2. The disparity in fh and id interactions with this slot pings weird.

Ironic double can you reiterate your reasons for scumreading hitmonleet starting d2

If I believe all of hawkie blazade Texas id are town that's some unpleasant hunting to do to find the actual last 2. I'm just not sure how they would play it in this format.
 
The reason I've done nothing today is because XenForo stopped giving me notifications for this thread and I've subsequently been busy as fuck, this weekend I'm going away for a few days so I've got a shitton of work to get done before then.

Empoof i don't know what a derpclear is.

IronicDouble (‽) said:
legit read back 2 pages and saw nothing of any value that im gonna comment on except this



i like how your reading me the greatest
you wanna explain why
maybe you should say why your four biggest scumreads are scumreads, personally i can easily just say ok this is town and this is scum just deal with it :^
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it's pretty much the same thing I said before but since you didn't know to search, I'll explain. for fort his reads are extremely vague, i.e. like you he said "this person is scum, I think ? maybe they are town lol" which isn't taking a stance on anyone --> scummy, also just generally suspicious posts under pressure.

texas and you explained mostly in this post: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/matrix-12-noc-day-4.3602966/page-36#post-7350382 tl;dr your reads are very vague and you have been kinda jumpy, texas makes posts that make him try and sound intelligent while they actually have no content and that thing where leet was like "lynch texas" and texas was like "lmao" looks super forced.

honestly i haven't faced the fact that the chances of that being forced are rather low and texas should probably be farther toward town but i feel like there is a decent chance that interaction is svs
 
idk I find it unlikely both wagons were scum, scum death tunnelled other scum with that game position, and id would speak about leet so much

his play is far from stellar tho and he hasn't fly done much else so I could flip id
 
pancake said:
it's pretty much the same thing I said before but since you didn't know to search, I'll explain. for fort his reads are extremely vague, i.e. like you he said "this person is scum, I think ? maybe they are town lol" which isn't taking a stance on anyone --> scummy, also just generally suspicious posts under pressure.
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oh please. I've made it clear that I scumread both of you.

Also since I'm going to be lynched anyways I'm going to take a hit and call bullshit on XenForo glitches.
Watched Threads and Alerts systems both have worked perfectly fine for me throughout my entire life on smogon forums.
I think that that's a scum copout
 
I do not, however, use email notifications so maybe that's where your issues lie? idk I feel like calling bullshit.

Either that or you purposely disabled notifications or are running mods on XenForo or something.


Scum copout is still my primary impression
 
does anyone else find it hilarious shubaka rolled bpv when the infinitely greater threat to their life is being mislynched?

like when i got lpv townie in bpv. im never gonna get mislynched it was overkill protection for me
 
Lynch IronicDouble

His general disheartened approach after we lynched scum yesterday combined with giving useless excuses and making silly comments to people with ":')" attached to the end and literally only comments on pancakes read list just asking for more information rather than giving a proper analysis of it. I feel like it's inexperienced forum scum's attempt to comment on something. PS im on a trip but will be posting from phone
 
moody and fort to a lesser degree both have this sort of genuine activity today and fort especially is trying to engage with people

the spike in good moody content combined with putting leet at l-1 that has been shrugged off by seemingly everyone else makes me think i SHOULD townread moody a lot less than i do but my gut feeling says hes town making an honest effort to get better and be active.

fort kind of has to be bc hes the wagon. this goes 2 ways, if hes scum he could just idle to oblivion uselessly kind of like leet did but his teams in such a bad position i dont think he would so the activity is NAI. it does seem like hes invested in this and his self-awareness his slot is scummy strikes me as... maybe too high level of a thought for a newer player?

then again i come from a meta of egotistical wallposters who would never consider their slot should be mislynched earlier rather than later for game meta benefit bc we're gonna SOLVE THE GAME OURSELVES AND WIN IT YOU'RE ALL IDLING CUCKS

iunno if moody was mafia and fairly well townread i think he would be less active today. the more you post the more opportunities you give to slip up esp if you dont have a carefully crafted meta or posts.

i would oppose lynching moody today strongly. i know my vote is still on fort, its not gonna end there unless theres a premature hammer again i dont think. ill leave it for now just to motivate fort to keep posting as i think that will be very revealing in the instance he is scum.
 
if you get an alert for a new reply and you don't click it you don't get another alert, obviously. pancake probably just missed an alert and the thread sat there accumulating replies.
 
Votecount
Asek (2): KnightsofCydonia, Empoof
Ironic Double (2): Fort Colorcastle, Hawkie
Fort Colorcastle (1): Yeti
Pancake (1): Moodycloud
Yeti (1): Texas Cloverleaf

Not Voting (5): Lightwolf, Pancake, Ironic Double, Asek, Josh
 
im gonna do some vote analysis and see what comes up

order: time of vote ; person voted ; what # vote onto this person at the time is (if there are 2 already, then the placed vote is vote 3)

hawkie

rvs ; pblade ; vote 2
rvs ; walrein ; vote 1
rvs ; jalmont ; vote 1
mid d1 ; hitmonleet ; vote 1
mid d1 ; ullar ; vote 1 (note: other people had voted ullar earlier but at the time hawkie placed it i believe this was the only vote and it is like 100+ posts earlier than the rest of the wagon)
sod2 ; former hope ; vote 1
sod2 ; unvote
mid d2 ; hitmonleet ; vote 1
mid d2 ; king ; vote 4
late-eod2 ; hitmonleet ; vote 3 (note: a flood of hitmonleet votes come in right after this one)
sod3 ; yeti ; vote 1
sod3 ; hitmonleet ; vote 5
sod3 ; unvote
mid d4 ; ironic double ; vote 2

analysis:
hawkie is at the start of a lot of votes (is vote 1 more frequently than any other #)
hawkie does not have any EoD activity, all votes are placed 200+ before the final posts of the day
hawkie shifting off king onto hitmonleet on d2 when leet was the counterwagon growing in strength and not back to king implies either sticking to the hard bus of leet or no partner-saving activities
hawkie placed no vote on d3 after unvoting hitmonleet, thus applying no further pressure to any other slots. was hitmonleet hawkie's only scumread or?
hawkie's involvement in the votes was equal d1+d2 then dropped d3 and again the in-progress d4
hawkie has never been on the winning wagon (2 mislynch 1 scum)

Josh what do you make of hawkie's eod absence? this was one of your main selling points to me/others on leet being scum was his lurking eod but what do you think about hawkie's eod participation?

the late-eod shift off king onto hitmonleet implies town!hawkie to me. that vote could have gotten leet lynched and started a snowball of votes onto leet though ultimately king was the one who got lynched. scum!hawkie would have stuck onto king which hopefully either forces someone's hand in switching to king to avoid a tie or never sets off a bigger leet wagon. unless he REALLY wants that towncred.
 
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