I'm just way better at irl/video because I have a really good poker face and am great at thinking fast whereas scaling wise most people arent
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NOC Matrix 12 NOC - Game Over, Mafia Wins
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you subbed for ullar right? that means his voteshifts have saved town once scum once. (I'm townreading you atm)
I think that's a pretty good towntell (actively trying to tiebreak)
Could you expand on this more, why do you think tiebreaking is a good towntell?
I think I geddit. Tie = NL. So tiebreaking is not as advantageous to scum as letting a tie happen, since NL would give less info for scumhunting.
Thetwinmasters sorry if I'm a slow pony and you said this already but could you put me at ease and let me know deadline is in 26 hours not 2?
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Ironic Double (3): Fort Colorcastle, Hawkie, Yeti
Asek (2): KnightsofCydonia, Empoof
Pancake (1): Moodycloud
Yeti (1): Texas Cloverleaf
Not Voting (5): Lightwolf, Pancake, Ironic Double, Asek, Josh
Ironic Double (3): Fort Colorcastle, Hawkie, Yeti
Asek (2): KnightsofCydonia, Empoof
Pancake (1): Moodycloud
Yeti (1): Texas Cloverleaf
Not Voting (5): Lightwolf, Pancake, Ironic Double, Asek, Josh
tiebreaking indiscriminately is a good towntell because a tie wastes a day's lynch. imo its a townie thing to not want to waste a day on an nl, because lynches are the way for town to potentially eliminate mafia, and at least get info from a cardflip
just as an aside i think tiebreaking is NAI
Anyway
I read through hitmonleet iso. I consider the main voices around hitmonleet at this point to be: josh + hawkie + texas (pushing) and myself and yeti (defending / hesitating). Out of these texas was probably pushing onto hitmonleet from the earliest point aside from josh yet FSR hitmonleet doesnt every really interact with texas. I think he quoted him a grand total of 1 time. Every other time hitmonleet mentioned texas it was just in a passing scumread in a readslist and nothing else to it. compared to josh + hawkie where leet got into an actual spat with them, or yeti where leet scumreads them and tries to push them as soon as josh flips around, or even myself where he tried to post me questions + responded to what i asked from him eventually, none of this occurs with texas. there is a large gap in interaction here even tho texas is one of the more vocal people trying to push hitmonleet which i find a bit bizarre given leet does interact with everyone else who are talking about him specifically, and by and large only interacts with those people. Why didnt leet try pick a bone with texas / counter his points like he did with josh + hawkie?
Another interesting point i thought of is this - texas mentions pushing lynch onto hitmonleet around D1. Noticeably this is before jalmont died - if texas was scum with leet, i think he would of been designated bus from the d1 stage - texas begins to push for a leet lynch in like his second post, moreso then any1 else when i would argue from an objective standpoint that other players itg had been more scummy to this point, and texas votes haruno at this juncture anyway. my basic point with all this is that texas from this d1 basically forced himself into a position as scum where he had to continuously apply pressure to hitmonleet from d1 onwards - otherwise he looks weird AF from a leet scum flip in a leet flip situation, especially given a scenario where a mafia teammate got vigged and they are already at a disadvantage so hed back off anyway. I think theres a probably chance that leet was a designated bus by texas and he was setting it up to carry through for town cred - just look at the effect its had on his standing amongst us all.
finally ive raised the point a few times that texas tone this game feels too smooth. i would expect more abrasiveness from town texas especially, and it kinda felt like buddying in his game opening. Just unsettles me a bit. I get as a player hes come a long way since when i first played with him when he was quite vocal and aggressive (was is neighourhoods? think it was) but its still rubbing me the wrong way
something to mull over at the very least folks, i still think im gonna vote one of the existing wagons today but i had to get this thought out there.
Anyway
I read through hitmonleet iso. I consider the main voices around hitmonleet at this point to be: josh + hawkie + texas (pushing) and myself and yeti (defending / hesitating). Out of these texas was probably pushing onto hitmonleet from the earliest point aside from josh yet FSR hitmonleet doesnt every really interact with texas. I think he quoted him a grand total of 1 time. Every other time hitmonleet mentioned texas it was just in a passing scumread in a readslist and nothing else to it. compared to josh + hawkie where leet got into an actual spat with them, or yeti where leet scumreads them and tries to push them as soon as josh flips around, or even myself where he tried to post me questions + responded to what i asked from him eventually, none of this occurs with texas. there is a large gap in interaction here even tho texas is one of the more vocal people trying to push hitmonleet which i find a bit bizarre given leet does interact with everyone else who are talking about him specifically, and by and large only interacts with those people. Why didnt leet try pick a bone with texas / counter his points like he did with josh + hawkie?
Another interesting point i thought of is this - texas mentions pushing lynch onto hitmonleet around D1. Noticeably this is before jalmont died - if texas was scum with leet, i think he would of been designated bus from the d1 stage - texas begins to push for a leet lynch in like his second post, moreso then any1 else when i would argue from an objective standpoint that other players itg had been more scummy to this point, and texas votes haruno at this juncture anyway. my basic point with all this is that texas from this d1 basically forced himself into a position as scum where he had to continuously apply pressure to hitmonleet from d1 onwards - otherwise he looks weird AF from a leet scum flip in a leet flip situation, especially given a scenario where a mafia teammate got vigged and they are already at a disadvantage so hed back off anyway. I think theres a probably chance that leet was a designated bus by texas and he was setting it up to carry through for town cred - just look at the effect its had on his standing amongst us all.
finally ive raised the point a few times that texas tone this game feels too smooth. i would expect more abrasiveness from town texas especially, and it kinda felt like buddying in his game opening. Just unsettles me a bit. I get as a player hes come a long way since when i first played with him when he was quite vocal and aggressive (was is neighourhoods? think it was) but its still rubbing me the wrong way
something to mull over at the very least folks, i still think im gonna vote one of the existing wagons today but i had to get this thought out there.
In the basement now.
Also, how does the double bus relate to the theory of Hitmonleet as designated bus?
can you please cite things when u say them i have 0 idea what ur talking about
Jalmont and Texas. (Expecting me to pull quotes when I've literally just said I'm hunkered down in the basement... smh.)
hi
we don't need this but vote ironicdouble, i should've done this earlier, the evidence from yeti's lynchiso further supports my claims from earlier. KnightsofCydonia i actually don't know clc that well but he's not someone who's known to bus partners, correct.
I didn't see empoof's claim for some reason when i wrote my reads list so uh yeah he's town i guess, speaking of empoof, Empoof why didn't you answer my question: what is a derpclear? you use the term a ton and it's not one everyone knows
we don't need this but vote ironicdouble, i should've done this earlier, the evidence from yeti's lynchiso further supports my claims from earlier. KnightsofCydonia i actually don't know clc that well but he's not someone who's known to bus partners, correct.
I didn't see empoof's claim for some reason when i wrote my reads list so uh yeah he's town i guess, speaking of empoof, Empoof why didn't you answer my question: what is a derpclear? you use the term a ton and it's not one everyone knows
ive read through almonts ISO. my most noticable thing about it was the lack of any direct contact with hitmonleet - he actually never mentioned hitmonleet at all. Hitmonleet shares this trait with shubaka, josh, former hope and aubisio iirc
noticably jalmont pulled the lynch away from ullar / king. I think that was his biggest d1 action and only rlly defining thing he did.
noticably jalmont pulled the lynch away from ullar / king. I think that was his biggest d1 action and only rlly defining thing he did.
Back upstairs, still on mobile.
Asek, since you read up on Jalmont, what's your take on the interactions between him and Texas? And how do you consider it in the context of your designated bus theory?
(it benefiting me for him to say this aside) i like that we have fort bringing up a unique perspective here to provide a read on someone. haters will say this makes us scumbuddies but its fort providing his own opinion on something and not just parroting.
Unique... um...
if texas was designated-bussing leet from d1 my guess is hes gonna be somewhat antagonistic to his partners as well to ensure full separation from their flips
jalmont isnt really like, a Good indicator of why double bussing wouldnt be plausible because jalmont has a notoriously poor d1 bc he doesnt care about d1 in nocs. jalmont d1 is never gonna look town. so texas spatting with him isnt really making jalmont look any better or worse than if they didn't spat. imo
jalmont isnt really like, a Good indicator of why double bussing wouldnt be plausible because jalmont has a notoriously poor d1 bc he doesnt care about d1 in nocs. jalmont d1 is never gonna look town. so texas spatting with him isnt really making jalmont look any better or worse than if they didn't spat. imo
i think this has fair odds of being accurate
but i do think his vote pattern has the most to dislike about it from anyone else's i've done. and his current contributions are m i a so i feel my vote is better served on him than fort rn regardless.
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